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Old 01-31-2012, 04:55 AM   #1
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The next VW Golf GTI will be faster and notably lighter and more sophisticated than the one they build now. And that's hardly shabby. This will be the seventh generation of the dynastic hot hatch, and it's due in 2012.

Part of its secret is that it will be more different from the base Golf 7s than today's GTI is from the basic Mk6s

The current Mk6 is of course not much more than a heavily facelifted Mk5. But the Mk7 is all-new, sitting on an entirely fresh and highly configurable VW Group platform called MQB.

Model for model, new Golfs will be at least 70kg lighter than the ones they replace. Savings come from extra high-strength steel in the shell, optimised suspensions, and lighter engines and ancillaries.

But there's more to it than that. Volkswagen has patented a special welding process that means it can build GTI bodyshells with aluminium roofs, mixed up along the production line with steel-roofed regular Golfs. This means the weight drop for the GTI will be about 100kg compared with now, because it will have aluminium welded into the shell as well as in bolt-ons like the bonnet.

That's enough to be felt. The car will be more agile, and with less weight to pull the engine it will have an easier time of it. We understand that the motor won't go much beyond about 230bhp, but by switching to the Audi Valvelift system, it will be torquier than today - up to nearly 260lb ft.
There is lots of progress that will make the handling even sharper than now.

For a start the new shell will help both weight reduction and weight distribution. Also the front wheels of all Golfs will be 40mm further forward than now, so the car should feel less nose-heavy. Traction will be better, thanks to a new type of electronically controlled mechanical limited-slip diff, rather than the brake-based traction control the Mk6 currently uses.
The suspension uses all-new parts, though the principles are similar to today. And there's a new steering rack that gets more direct on lock - unusual in an electric system.

And the notion of a decent diesel GTI gets closer, too. Today's 170bhp GTD TDI isn't bad for sure. But the new one will have an engine from a brand-new diesel family, making 190bhp and 280lb ft, and using balancer shafts for smoothness.

Electronic options take a step ahead, too: forward cameras for lane-keeping and auto-braking, and radar cruise (mind you, there's some on the Ford Focus already). There will also be a new Audi-developed top-end hi-fi/nav/connectivity system that uses an eight-inch capacitive touchscreen - as per an iPad - for far more accurate control and higher definition. It also has a proximity sensor, so it can show an uncluttered map, say, but when your finger gets close it'll switch to showing buttons.

All of which sounds pretty juicy. But there's one more thing. The new MQB is a colossal project. It spans and integrates every transverse-front-engined model from a Polo to a Passat, including all the brands and several crossovers. It includes components, systems, design processes and factories far more than ever before. So VW's engineering chief Ulrich Hackenberg says the parts cost will be 20 percent less than now, and the development and tooling cost for each model will be 30 percent less than now, and the manufacturing cost will be 30 percent less than now.
Simply put, this new GTI should be a whole lot better value.
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Old 01-31-2012, 08:53 AM   #2
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Lighter is good. But just like the Jetta, the Golf platform is going to be larger.
Cheaper materials? Probably.
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Old 01-31-2012, 10:53 AM   #3
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I don't know, everything mentioned above sounds too good to be true. I really liked my 08 GTI a lot, just wanted a little more power and was concerned with VW reliability, as in just 29,900 miles I had to have like 4 things replaced.
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Old 01-31-2012, 01:34 PM   #4
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They mention a lot of things in that article except the one thing many people want to hear, more reliability engineered into their cars.
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Old 01-31-2012, 05:28 PM   #5
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I wouldn't be surprised if they go the way of the current Jetta.
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Old 01-31-2012, 05:59 PM   #6
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so the gti is finally getting a real lsd? or did i read it wrong
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Old 01-31-2012, 09:26 PM   #7
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Good lord. That sounds...incredible.
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Old 01-31-2012, 09:36 PM   #8
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the GTI is visual perfection, I hope they don't change the proportions and eff it up. I hope they offer the damn AWD as an option instead of forcing
you to buy a an R model that has a bunch of useless options like leather.
I cand see a GTI with AWD option for $27k OTD like a WRX.

hopefully they finally fix the unreliable nature of the car too.
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Old 01-31-2012, 11:35 PM   #9
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I could go for a higher performance TDI, too. My 2011 is great, lifetime average of 43.5mpg, fun to drive, super comfortable. Just wish it had a bit more power and slightly stronger brakes. Otherwise, I love it.
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fwd, do not want
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Get your derp outta my NWIC.
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Old 02-01-2012, 05:35 AM   #12
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Lighter is good. But just like the Jetta, the Golf platform is going to be larger.
Cheaper materials? Probably.
you've made a lot of assumptions there. The Jetta, unlike the Golf, is big in America and less so everywhere else. Whereas the Golf is truly a world car and if I'm not mistaken the most popular car in the world.

I assume they will continue to make the Golf much like it is today.
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Old 02-01-2012, 08:52 AM   #13
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More power and trq for FWD
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There is this crazy thing they have on cars now called an accelerator pedal which allows a person to modulate how much power the car displays at a given time so one does not have to either be stopped or at WOT at all times. You should get out there and try it; it is pretty effective. Oh, the times we live in...........
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Old 02-01-2012, 09:54 AM   #15
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fwd, do not want
A well sorted FWD car is way more fun than certain AWD applications (Haldex, non-LSD'd AWD with viscous center diffs, etc.) IMO.
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Old 02-01-2012, 10:13 AM   #16
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There is this crazy thing they have on cars now called an accelerator pedal which allows a person to modulate how much power the car displays at a given time so one does not have to either be stopped or at WOT at all times. You should get out there and try it; it is pretty effective. Oh, the times we live in...........
And queue MS3 Guy. Nice try . I used to be MS3 guy and spent a year trying to convince myself of just that.
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^I new you would say that...............I call it like I see it/like I experience it. I guess I just don't drive aggresively enough for it to be a problem for me, because it is not; if it was, I would say it. Don't get me started on the MS3s tranny/engine mount/clutch feel stuff........
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^I new you would say that...............I call it like I see it/like I experience it. I guess I just don't drive aggresively enough for it to be a problem for me, because it is not; if it was, I would say it. Don't get me started on the MS3s tranny/engine mount/clutch feel stuff........
I couldn't stand the roppy misshifting and on/off clutch. No matter how I'd drive, there was always a missed 2nd or 3rd gear shift, and when you needed or wanted it the most. I would be hitting some turns, sweepers and curves perfectly, then miss a shift and it'd kill all that joy instantly I tried every bushing, insert, mount but none of it helped.

Still it was a car that handle extremely well with some of the best road feel/feedback of any car I've driven, sometimes better than an Evo 10.
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Feathering the throttle delicately isn't really that much fun when you are trying to pull into traffic and go. I'd put an LSD in my GTI if I really thought it would help, but I'm skeptical.
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I remember when my brother fitted his 2nd gen Taurus SHO with a quaife LSD....made all the difference in the world.

I'd take a good FWD car with a real LSD over a poorly sorted AWD anyday.
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I'll take a GTD, please. 190hp diesel with good brakes and a sportyish suspension is just what the doctor ordered for my commuter.

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Feathering the throttle delicately isn't really that much fun when you are trying to pull into traffic and go.
Sounds like you need some new tires.
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you've made a lot of assumptions there. The Jetta, unlike the Golf, is big in America and less so everywhere else. Whereas the Golf is truly a world car and if I'm not mistaken the most popular car in the world.

I assume they will continue to make the Golf much like it is today.


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Compared to the current model, the Golf VII will be slightly longer and wider; it will look low and aggressive, with sharp creases and a low front end. VW wants to avoid the minivan-like look of some compact cars, a difficult task with pedestrian-protection regulations calling for a lot of air between the engine and hood.
http://www.caranddriver.com/news/201...py-photos-news
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but nothing about cheapness
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Old 02-02-2012, 10:44 AM   #24
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Generally, car manufactures use cheaper and lighter materials to lessen the weight. Unless they're using carbon fiber.

Hey, I'm hoping it's not cheapened out either. But judging by what VW has already done to two of their models, this is my guess.
50/50 chance of being right.
Let's hope I"m wrong.
I own a Golf, and would buy another.
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Old 02-02-2012, 10:49 AM   #25
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Sounds very good, to me! And I'm a big fan of the MKVI, I think it looks fantastic. Buying a Golf TDI has always been enticing, especially now. I guess I just love my Subies too much. However, in '00 I was lined up to buy a Golf 1.8T before I test drove the 2.5RS and bought it.
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