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Old 02-02-2012, 10:17 AM   #1
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For years Mazda and Ford shared everything from vehicle platforms and engines to even design teams. However, the two parted ways in the later parts of 2008 though the legacy of the partnership would continue for a few more years to come.

Fast forward to today and Mazda is on the verge of launching the first model based on a new platform created primarily by its own engineering team.

That model is the upcoming 2013 Mazda CX-5 crossover, the first of a completely new line of cars using Mazda's latest production techniques and SKYACTIV range of green technologies.

This new line of cars, Mazda has confirmed, will include the next-generation Mazda3 and Mazda6, the latter being the production version of the stunning Takeri Concept from last monthís 2011 Tokyo Motor Show. This new Mazda6 is expected to be revealed next spring before hitting showrooms late in 2012.

Developing the new platform underlying all of these vehicles was no easy task, explains CX-5 project manager Hideaki Tanaka.

As the first brand new SKYACTIV model, the Mazda CX-5 was pioneering a new way of building cars and this meant working very closely with suppliers from the start of the project.

Additionally, since the CX-5ís platform would spawn the next Mazda3 and Mazda6, albeit with different track widths, Tanaka and his team needed to decide where all the fixed engineering points had to be and where the flexible points could be.

Another major hurdle was the implementation of 1,800 megapascal (approximately 261,000 psi) Ďultra-high tensile steelí in its construction. The new steel is not only much stronger than regular steel, itís also significantly lighter.

Nevertheless, Mazda has made sure the CX-5 and its future platform mates will retain some of that "Zoom Zoom" spirit in the way they drive. "The ride and handling [of the CX-5] are very nice with a significant advantage over its competitors," says Tanaka.
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Old 02-02-2012, 11:05 AM   #2
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sounds like good things to come from Mazda.
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Old 02-02-2012, 12:23 PM   #3
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I saw this car at the LA and SD auto show. sadly it was a preproduction car and wouldn't let you sit in it.
The diesel version might be on my short list for a family truxster.

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Old 02-02-2012, 01:17 PM   #4
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The CX-5 is supposed to come out at the end of this month, but they still haven't released any pricing on it. I'm looking to buy a new car for the wife in the next month or so and this is on the list to look at, but I'm getting worried about delays. Getting anxious to test drive one.
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Old 02-02-2012, 01:58 PM   #5
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I'd really want to see what they are going to do with the MX-5 with teh "lightness" they are adding to their cars.
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Old 02-02-2012, 03:23 PM   #6
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I heartily encourage folks to buy a Mazda.

They're the last independent Japanese automaker who is actually trying to build and engineer excellent vehicles. IMHO, they deserve to survive more than Honda, who has coasted off of their name since 2002.
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Old 02-02-2012, 03:33 PM   #7
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I 100% agree with this statement ^^^^^^
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Old 02-02-2012, 04:46 PM   #8
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I picked up a Skyactiv 3 over Christmas, love it. It's not quick by any means, but averaging 36.8 mpg combined sure is nice. Can't wait to see the next gen 3 and 6.
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Old 02-02-2012, 04:59 PM   #9
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I heartily encourage folks to buy a Mazda.

They're the last independent Japanese automaker who is actually trying to build and engineer excellent vehicles. IMHO, they deserve to survive more than Honda, who has coasted off of their name since 20021990.
Too bad we can't consider Subaru Toyota any more...
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I picked up a Skyactiv 3 over Christmas, love it. It's not quick by any means, but averaging 36.8 mpg combined sure is nice. Can't wait to see the next gen 3 and 6.
How is Mazda's direct injection tech? Has the tech matured enough that the carbon buildup BMW / Audi / VW, etc have had issues are now a thing of the past?

Am I paranoid about it? Yeah, for a while at least. 1st year new car things, etc.

When it's proven, 200 hp and 40mpg sounds like a nice set of numbers.
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Old 02-02-2012, 06:16 PM   #11
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I heartily encourage folks to buy a Mazda.

They're the last independent Japanese automaker who is actually trying to build and engineer excellent vehicles. IMHO, they deserve to survive more than Honda, who has coasted off of their name since 2002.

Yup. I've loved every Mazda I've ever owned or been in.
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Old 02-02-2012, 06:18 PM   #12
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I really like this vehicle, can't wait to see it in person.
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Old 02-02-2012, 09:26 PM   #13
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I'd much rather have a Mazda6 wagon than a CX-5. Almost the same cargo space, and it handles like a car, not an SUV. Of course, Mazda will never bring it here.
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How is Mazda's direct injection tech? Has the tech matured enough that the carbon buildup BMW / Audi / VW, etc have had issues are now a thing of the past?

Am I paranoid about it? Yeah, for a while at least. 1st year new car things, etc.

When it's proven, 200 hp and 40mpg sounds like a nice set of numbers.
That's my worry, too, but the only thing I found in a quick google search was something about the spray pattern of the skyactiv to adress the carbon deposit issue.

I guess I'll find out for myself.
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I went from an 07 WRX to a 10 Speed 3. Did that because of the steering and interior.

Can't wait to see a new Mazda 2, CX-5 is nice, but even the 3 is too big for my tastes/needs.
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I went from an 07 WRX to a 10 Speed 3. Did that because of the steering and interior.

Can't wait to see a new Mazda 2, CX-5 is nice, but even the 3 is too big for my tastes/needs.
Mazdaspeed2, for the love of all that is holy....WANT.
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I'd much rather have a Mazda6 wagon than a CX-5. Almost the same cargo space, and it handles like a car, not an SUV. Of course, Mazda will never bring it here.
And its due to Americanís not buying it. The last 6 wagon was a very nice car that just didnít sell. Perhaps AWD would have helped some, gotten some who bought Legacy and Outback wagons. Other than the Jetta there isnít too much out there in affordable wagons (I find the current outback to large).
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How is Mazda's direct injection tech? Has the tech matured enough that the carbon buildup BMW / Audi / VW, etc have had issues are now a thing of the past?
We'll see how this issue plays out. Mazda, BMW, and VW have all changed DI designs very recently. Mazda switched to a different piston and injector design (multi hole injector instead of swirl injector, while adding a piston bowl). BMW switched from piezoelectric to multi-hole solenoid injectors. VW is adding port (like on the BRZ FA engine) injection to their newest EA888 series engine soon (a 1.8 and presumably a 2.0 will come out as well). I have documentation which explains all this...
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We'll see how this issue plays out. Mazda, BMW, and VW have all changed DI designs very recently. Mazda switched to a different piston and injector design (multi hole injector instead of swirl injector, while adding a piston bowl). BMW switched from piezoelectric to multi-hole solenoid injectors. VW is adding port (like on the BRZ FA engine) injection to their newest EA888 series engine soon (a 1.8 and presumably a 2.0 will come out as well). I have documentation which explains all this...
That kind of scares me. So since I have the old tech, can I look forward to my engine dying prematurely (as if I'll keep a VW that long )?
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I love Mazda - they are to fun as Subaru is to snow. Mazda has had a great few years - high quality cars. The CX-5 ushers in a new line - very important that they get this right.
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That kind of scares me. So since I have the old tech, can I look forward to my engine dying prematurely (as if I'll keep a VW that long )?
A lot of the redesigns have to do with tighter emissions and fuel economy standards, especially for particulates and cold start... again we'll see how the carbon buildup issue plays out. I'm also curious about the Ford Ecoboost engines and carbon buildup. I don't think there's been enough time to judge those.
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And its due to American’s not buying it. The last 6 wagon was a very nice car that just didn’t sell. Perhaps AWD would have helped some, gotten some who bought Legacy and Outback wagons. Other than the Jetta there isn’t too much out there in affordable wagons (I find the current outback to large).
You realize the current 2010+ Outback is only .4" longer than the Mazda 6 wagon. The OB is considerably taller and slightly wider (1.7") than the Mazda. The current OB is also shorter than the previous generation 2005-2009 OB.

So really, it's not a huge vehicle by any means.
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As you mentioned, it's considerably higher, and that does put me off. But the real problem is the jacked up suspension. 8.7" of ground clearance. That's never going to handle well on roads.
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As you mentioned, it's considerably higher, and that does put me off. But the real problem is the jacked up suspension. 8.7" of ground clearance. That's never going to handle well on roads.
It handles perfectly fine. I wouldn't mind mine sitting a couple inches higher.

That's my biggest gripe with modern cars, how low they sit. Forty years ago even sports cars had good ground clearance.
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When I say "handle well", I mean handle as well as something lower. Obviously plenty of people are happy with how CUVs handle. But I think wagon buyers recognize that a car designed with a lower center of gravity and a stiffer suspension is going to handle better, all else equal.
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