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Old 02-10-2012, 09:25 AM   #1
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Here is the moment all of you electric-car fans have been waiting for so far this year – Tesla Motors has just unveiled its new Model X crossover – “a vehicle it says blends the best of an SUV with the benefits of a minivan.”

Based on the same vehicle platform as the Tesla Model S sedan, the TVP (Tesla Vehicle Platform), the Model X actually turns out to be sport crossover with a low center of gravity and nimble tight handling. Obviously, the torque from the electric power train helps assist in some aggressive lane changes.\


The 7-passenger Tesla Model X comes standard in rear-wheel-drive but the company does offer an optional Dual Motor all-wheel-drive architecture. The second motor increases torque by 50% and allows for all-road and all-weather capability. With AWD, the Tesla Model X Performance version can run from 0 to 60 mph in less than 5 seconds – that’s sports car performance right there.

The Tesla Model X will be available with two battery pack versions including a 60 or 85 kWh battery allowing for a range of up to 300 miles (for the 85 kWh model).

Before you get inside the Tesla Model X, it’s the way you open the rear passenger doors that will probably turn some heads. Known as ‘Falcon Doors’ the doors open up and out (even in tight parking spots) allowing you ample room to just step inside the all-electric crossover. Once you’re inside there easy third-row access and quite a bit of room for a total of 7-passengers. The driver seat is the most stylish with a Tesla Touchscreen 17-inch, high-res, multi-touch display and a high-res speedometer right in front.

The Tesla Model X will enter production in late 2013 and will start being delivered in early 2014. When you can order yours? Today, if you’re sold on it. The Model X will be priced comparable to a similarly equipped Model S but the company will give out more details as production nears.



























































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Old 02-10-2012, 10:36 AM   #2
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Old 02-10-2012, 11:35 AM   #3
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I liked the Model S's shape, even though I don't think battery energy storage is a sufficient technology for supplying a car.

At first, I though someone had gone and bulked up a Model S badly... then I see that THEY DID, and just gave it a new letter.

This is more useless than a BMW X6, with less range, and less ground clearance, and all of the other down-sides that the X6 has. Two extra seats, aft-facing under the rear hatch are an afterthought, and preclude any cargo capacity.

If I didn't have future tax liability to pay back the deficit spending used to fund this company, I would think it was irrelevant.

As it is, I absolutely don't approve of products that can't survive in the market on their own merits, that require tax dollars to develop, that add to the instability and government mis-management of this country, and their involvement with picking and choosing which products get taxpayer-funded advantage.

If this were a sound product, it would have the venture capital investments to bring it to market, to earn a return for the investors with enough preparation and vision to be able to realize the opportunity.

THAT is the way a free market is supposed to work, not taking money from citizens under force of law. Certainly not to incur high levels of debt and deficit spending, which incur huge interest costs, that the taxpayers are bound by force of law to repay.

This thing is not worth the unborn generation's tax burden that our government is incurring.
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Old 02-10-2012, 12:15 PM   #4
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The US taxpayer invested $530 Million Dollars Fisker hybrid really costs over $100k. Now MB and BMW have a hard time selling high ticket hybrids so what made them think an unknown brand could and make a rofit? It's DejaVu all over again Delorean style and it's on you. I heard the Tesla will cost about $60k and be made in USA while the Fisker is made in Denmark using US $Dollars,
Want to see the Wilmington Delaware factory your tax money was spent to bring US jobs by Fisker? Thanks for the fleecing Barack Obama, Al Gore and Joe Biden
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Old 02-10-2012, 12:42 PM   #5
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All politics aside, I want to see a 5'2" 100lb soccer mom open & close those doors. Or has anyone read somewhere that they are (irony) motorized & electrified?
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Old 02-10-2012, 12:51 PM   #6
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In the age of power sliding doors, and power hatches... It will probably be powered.

And if they are electric, the more often you use them, the more you reduce your car's range.
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Old 02-10-2012, 01:57 PM   #7
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Family truckster with electric AWD and gullwing (falcon punch) doors?

I don't really care what it looks like.. I want it.
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Old 02-10-2012, 03:01 PM   #8
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This isn't too great IMO.

Actually Hip believe it or not I actually agree with you somewhat
I am fine with subsidies for purchase to drive investment toward goals society wants, but I am not in favor of giving the money to manufacturers to build what may or may not be useful to the consumer.
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Old 02-10-2012, 03:05 PM   #9
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If I am corrected this design was based off Zap! Electric Cars. They had this concept before they merged with Tesla. Zap was calling it a Zap-X Crossover with 640bhp (644hp), Top Speed of 155mph, 350 mile range, 10 minute rapid charging system, and with a full CarPC incorporated. I am glad to see they are finally revealing the car since they talked about this back in 2007. Back then they even claimed the $50k price tag.

http://www.gizmag.com/go/7021/

I hope the performance bugs are fixed from their Tesla Roadster. Top Gear did a episode about the Tesla Roadster and racing it turned out to be horrible. They battery dried so fast from racing it around the track they needed a back up Tesla Roadster which ended up failing in the middle of a lap. Can't remember what failed though but Top Gear was impressed but believe they have some bugs to work out.
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Old 02-10-2012, 03:31 PM   #10
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I hope the performance bugs are fixed from their Tesla Roadster. Top Gear did a episode about the Tesla Roadster and racing it turned out to be horrible. They battery dried so fast from racing it around the track they needed a back up Tesla Roadster which ended up failing in the middle of a lap. Can't remember what failed though but Top Gear was impressed but believe they have some bugs to work out.
Top Gear was also sued by Tesla because Top Gear faked that. They claimed to be showing what "would" happen if the car ran out of electricity, which it did not.
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Old 02-10-2012, 03:41 PM   #11
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Top Gear was also sued by Tesla because Top Gear faked that. They claimed to be showing what "would" happen if the car ran out of electricity, which it did not.
Oh wow, I didn't know that. I would sue since it ruins a companies image over false information. Sorry I didn't hear about that.
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Old 02-10-2012, 04:09 PM   #12
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Oh wow, I didn't know that. I would sue since it ruins a companies image over false information. Sorry I didn't hear about that.
Yeah, but top gear is entertainment not real reviews.

Tesla did have a problem where the car would over heat in the motor and go into limp mode though. It would still function, just slowly. An electric will never be a great race car though b/c the energy density is just to low. If people want to race electrics they need to lay in the induction charging circuits to the road. Think f-zero crossed with those slot car racers Yay for loopty loops.
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Old 02-10-2012, 04:11 PM   #13
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I want an electric vehicle and Tesla and Fisker are the best even though they don't make economic sense yet. When the price of gas goes up and battery cost goes down, I will have an electric car in my garage.

Most realistically, I would get a fun used car and convert it to all electric for about the current going rate of $10K.
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Old 02-10-2012, 04:20 PM   #14
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Well if you do that max make sure you don't burn your house down. I don't think the electric conversion you make will be up to those sort of standards though. Heck in the "future" a person could probably buy a used leaf, roadster, model S etc... with a worn out battery and just use them as a base. All of them could be made quite fun actually if a person wanted to.


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Old 02-10-2012, 06:22 PM   #15
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Awesome! I would love to own one of those as the family hauler.
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I am usually a Tesla nutswinger but I think this vehicle looks awful. Those doors are awful, too. Ugh all around.

How I'd describe it would be a Jaguar XF crossed with a Chevy Volt and fed a typical American diet for a few years...
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Lmao awesome pic
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I am usually a Tesla nutswinger but I think this vehicle looks awful. Those doors are awful, too. Ugh all around.
Same here. The doors just seem gimmicky to me. Imo they should have skipped this and worked on getting a cheaper/ smaller car out earlier. Although, I'm sure this model is supposed to broaden the market and return more of the investment from developing the platform and starting up the factory. A small car would sell better and help the brand image by dealing with some people's issues about the government loan. The dual motor awd option is cool though.

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I disagree. Selling and promoting sports cars and sports sedans isn't going to put electric cars in the mainstream.. which is what Tesla is gunning for. Mainstream buyers want crossovers and family vehicles.
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I disagree. Selling and promoting sports cars and sports sedans isn't going to put electric cars in the mainstream.. which is what Tesla is gunning for. Mainstream buyers want crossovers and family vehicles.
Right b/c the price is so mainstream...
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Right b/c the price is so mainstream...
A base price around $50k (supposed to be congruent with Model S) is beyond mainstream in your book?

That's the same price as a M-B ML350 BlueTEC or Land Rover LR4, cheaper than the average BMW X5, and just slightly more than a base Cayenne.

So.. what exactly would you consider a fair price for an AWD 7-passenger SUV that does a sub-5 second 0-60?
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A base price around $50k (supposed to be congruent with Model S) is beyond mainstream in your book?

That's the same price as a M-B ML350 BlueTEC or Land Rover LR4, cheaper than the average BMW X5, and just slightly more than a base Cayenne.

So.. what exactly would you consider a fair price for an AWD 7-passenger SUV that does a sub-5 second 0-60?
$50K is over the median US household income, even if you consider it normal to spend 25% of one's annual income on transportation, and paying off the vehicle in 4 years. That does't count energy, insurance, storage facility, or anything else... so yes, I would say it is pushing it.

It is BARELY 7 passenger. It would be like Acura ZDX having a rear-facing 3rd row, because a front-facing 3rd row won't work on either one.

And zero to 60 in a big SUV hardly seems like the point, especially when a vehicle like Tesla, especially weighed down, will get nowhere near the distance range... and traveling is much more likely an issue for an SUV, than drag racing. Driving for an hour or two, and charging for at least that long, if not 2-4 times that long is not practical.

Heat, A/C, towing, accessories, and all sorts of things, in addition to sheer weight load, are going to work against range.

So, yes, this vehicle is nowhere near mainstream, by price, or by usage profile.
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A base price around $50k (supposed to be congruent with Model S) is beyond mainstream in your book?

That's the same price as a M-B ML350 BlueTEC or Land Rover LR4, cheaper than the average BMW X5, and just slightly more than a base Cayenne.

So.. what exactly would you consider a fair price for an AWD 7-passenger SUV that does a sub-5 second 0-60?
Those are not mainstream vehicles being advertised as minivans.

I have nothing against Tesla, I just don't see why they did the PR goof, nor do I see why we are giving them cheap loans.
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