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Old 02-14-2012, 09:53 PM   #1
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Default Hyundai Announces 2013 Gen Coupe Pricing

http://www.sacbee.com/2012/02/14/426...announces.html

Looks like their increase in performance didn't come without an increase to cost, unfortunately.

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Model Engine Transmission MSRP
2.0T 2.0L Turbo 4-cyl 6-Speed M/T $24,250
2.0T 2.0L Turbo 4-cyl 8-Speed A/T SHIFTRONIC® $25,500
2.0T R-Spec 2.0L Turbo 4-cyl 6-Speed M/T $26,500
2.0T Premium 2.0L Turbo 4-cyl 8-Speed A/T SHIFTRONIC® $28,750
3.8 R-Spec 3.8L GDI V6 6-Speed M/T $28,750
3.8 Grand Touring 3.8L GDI V6 8-Speed A/T SHIFTRONIC® $32,000
3.8 Track 3.8L GDI V6 6-Speed M/T $33,000
3.8 Track 3.8L GDI V6 8-Speed A/T SHIFTRONIC® $34,250
Still, not looking too bad for the fledgling sports coupe! Here's hoping its everything it sounds like on paper.
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Old 02-14-2012, 10:07 PM   #2
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I hope Subaru is paying attention because this will influence
BRZ sales tremendously.
275hp for $24K is freaking good!
The R-spec for $26k is even better!
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Old 02-14-2012, 10:12 PM   #3
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What's the major difference between R-spec and Track?
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Old 02-14-2012, 11:33 PM   #4
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What's the major difference between R-spec and Track?
Current differences:

Aluminum Foot Pedals
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Not so track pack after looking at that :P The R-spec is the true track spec.
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Old 02-14-2012, 11:38 PM   #5
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$5k for above mods? No thanks...
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Old 02-15-2012, 02:27 AM   #6
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FR-S will need to be like $22K
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Old 02-15-2012, 07:28 AM   #7
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I hope Subaru is paying attention because this will influence
BRZ sales tremendously.
275hp for $24K is freaking good!
The R-spec for $26k is even better!
I'm sure people will cross-shop them, yes.. but one is a large GT car with some caveats to its handling and one is a tiny, well balanced sports car that weighs 565lbs less than the other.
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Old 02-15-2012, 07:44 AM   #8
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While I agree that this isn't really a direct competitor to the BRZ on paper it'll be interesting to see how that plays out for consumers. <$25k for 275HP RWD is awesome.
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Old 02-15-2012, 08:22 AM   #9
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First!
I hope Subaru is paying attention because this will influence
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275hp for $24K is freaking good!
The R-spec for $26k is even better!
The S2000 was over $30K
Miata around $24K

Also Elise is $50k.

what a waste of money, should all have waited to buy the Genesis Coupe :roll eyes:.

BTW, Mustang V6 is in that price point.
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Old 02-15-2012, 09:20 AM   #10
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While I agree that this isn't really a direct competitor to the BRZ on paper it'll be interesting to see how that plays out for consumers. <$25k for 275HP RWD is awesome.
The Genesis Coupe is more a competitor with the V6 Mustang than a BRZ. The Stang is cheaper & faster, too. Hyundai is putting together some sweet rides these days, but they're also asking premium prices now.
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Old 02-15-2012, 10:55 AM   #11
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$24,000 for a 270hp turbo RWD coupe........sounds freaking good to me. If I didn't really need 4 doors I would be very interested in this. Well done. Nissan needs to resurrect the SR20DET and bring some affordable RWD coupe goodness back to their lineup (not that they ever really had it here in the US).
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Old 02-15-2012, 11:18 AM   #12
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First!
I hope Subaru is paying attention because this will influence
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275hp for $24K is freaking good!
The R-spec for $26k is even better!
While true, the BRZ is not a direct competitor with the GC. No one is comparing the GC with the MX-5 Miata.

Anyways, this is still a great deal. I'm curious to know how the 2.0T will affect the 3.8 V6 sales. At least with the previous generation, there was a larger gap performance wise.

I would like to see how the 2.0T goes up against the Mustang V6 as it has set an unofficial bar for price, hp, and performance.

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The Genesis Coupe is more a competitor with the V6 Mustang than a BRZ. The Stang is cheaper & faster, too. Hyundai is putting together some sweet rides these days, but they're also asking premium prices now.
I wouldn't call $24k premium pricing. That is probably the most competitive price range for any car. Much better than the last 2.0T with 210hp for $21k. Maybe a bit of a premium for the 3.8V6 but still a good value. This isn't the same Hyundai as of 10 years ago. I'm liking Hyundai more and more. Not a huge fan of the new corporate nose but that is minor.
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Old 02-15-2012, 11:50 AM   #13
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It's not that the BR-Z/FR-S are competitors with Gen Coupe in segment, size or whatever the car is really meant to do, they are competitors for young men with about $25K to spend on a car.
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Old 02-15-2012, 11:53 AM   #14
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While true, the BRZ is not a direct competitor with the GC. No one is comparing the GC with the MX-5 Miata.
One could argue that BRZ and GC 2.0T are closer than BRZ and Miata.

BRZ is Miata-like size, and RWD.

BRZ is hard-top, RWD, and 2+2, like GC, other than GC being bigger.

Some, like people over 6" tall, will think the increased size is a plus, rather than a minus, despite the weight gain.

Plus the increased power, not only of the 2.0T, but also the 3.8 V6.

the BRZ/FRS will be lighter... but that could translate to being less stable on the road at cruising speed, even if it makes it turn easier in the curves.

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Anyways, this is still a great deal. I'm curious to know how the 2.0T will affect the 3.8 V6 sales. At least with the previous generation, there was a larger gap performance wise.

I would like to see how the 2.0T goes up against the Mustang V6 as it has set an unofficial bar for price, hp, and performance.

I wouldn't call $24k premium pricing. That is probably the most competitive price range for any car. Much better than the last 2.0T with 210hp for $21k. Maybe a bit of a premium for the 3.8V6 but still a good value. This isn't the same Hyundai as of 10 years ago. I'm liking Hyundai more and more. Not a huge fan of the new corporate nose but that is minor.
The 3.8 GT also gets a bump to nearly 350hp, naturally aspirated, which is higher than Mustang V6... actually firmly between the Mustang V6 and V8, without the V8's additional mass over the front wheels.

GC will probably interleave with the Mustang...
GC 2.0T->Mustang 3.7->GC 3.8->Mustang 5.0

If Hyundai would ever put their Tau 5.0 in the GC... it would get interesting, as GC might be slightly lighter than Mustang 5.0, and also GC having the IRS... Boss 302 would probably still edge it out on power, though.
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Old 02-15-2012, 11:57 AM   #15
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the BRZ/FRS will be lighter... but that could translate to being less stable on the road at cruising speed, even if it makes it turn easier in the curves.
What? It's not a paper car, it's still going to weight close to 3K with a driver in it...
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What? It's not a paper car, it's still going to weight close to 3K with a driver in it...
Driver cancels out.

~2800lbs BRZ, ~3300lbs GC 2.0T, ~3400lbs GC 3.8

The same 200lb driver adds the same 200lbs to each car while driving it, the driver weight cancels out.

There is still a 5-600lb difference, and mass effects inertia, as a matter of physics.

Inertia benefits can be stability and resistance to cross winds, and other small inputs, to make the car seem more calm, with less NVH. Usually that makes a car easier to drive long distances without driver fatigue.

Inertia drawbacks can be less willingness to turn in, slower responses to dynamic changes, and requirements for stiffer suspension, bigger heavier brakes that affect unsprung weight and gyroscopic forces, and other aspects that dull some of the ultimate sharpness of a vehicle's handling.

There is no free lunch... and on these cars it just happens to be a matter of taste as to which side you want your compromise to lean... toward sharpness, or toward stability.
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I want my car completely ready to be blown off the highway at any moment while driving straight.
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Old 02-15-2012, 01:16 PM   #18
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I want my car completely ready to be blown off the highway at any moment while driving straight.


The quintessential BRZ commercial will have the car perpendicular to the airstream in a wind tunnel and getting blown right off its wheels.
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This could put a hurting on 370Z sales.
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It's too bad I don't like the front end on the GC because I'd give it some consideration. In the end, though, I think the price and specs of the BRZ make it better to me.
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Driver cancels out.

~2800lbs BRZ, ~3300lbs GC 2.0T, ~3400lbs GC 3.8

The same 200lb driver adds the same 200lbs to each car while driving it, the driver weight cancels out.

There is still a 5-600lb difference, and mass effects inertia, as a matter of physics.

Inertia benefits can be stability and resistance to cross winds, and other small inputs, to make the car seem more calm, with less NVH. Usually that makes a car easier to drive long distances without driver fatigue.

Inertia drawbacks can be less willingness to turn in, slower responses to dynamic changes, and requirements for stiffer suspension, bigger heavier brakes that affect unsprung weight and gyroscopic forces, and other aspects that dull some of the ultimate sharpness of a vehicle's handling.

There is no free lunch... and on these cars it just happens to be a matter of taste as to which side you want your compromise to lean... toward sharpness, or toward stability.
What about the low COG and low drag, don't you think those will help stability in the FR-S, maybe so it even has more highway stability than the Gen Coupe? The longer wheel base of the Gen Coupe will help more with stability than weight IMO.

Plus people who REALLY drive their cars will pick the FR-S 99 times out of 100. It's way easier to point a light nimble car into a corner than a heavy pig.

Regardless the 2.0t Gen Coupe is a pretty good value, increasingly so with the 100K powertrain warranty.
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Didn't we have a HUGE GC thread? Weren't prices already posted there? WRXHC is posting?
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Old 02-16-2012, 12:17 AM   #23
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Didn't we have a HUGE GC thread? Weren't prices already posted there? WRXHC is posting?
I beat his posting by about 2 minutes. Besides, I'm a firm believer threads should be more separated by individual topics, especially in news and rumors, and not so much a "here's this specific car's news & rumors thread, may you bloat it and crowd it with crap until all gets lost".
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I'm sure people will cross-shop them, yes.. but one is a large GT car with some caveats to its handling and one is a tiny, well balanced sports car that weighs 565lbs less than the other.
Or one could say that one is a sports coupe with an almost usable backseat and one is a tiny sports coupe with an unusable back seat. Both have backseats for insurance purposes.
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Is aftermarket support even catching up to the gen coupes? It seems to be a pretty expensive car to mod.
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