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Old 08-16-2002, 07:42 PM   #1
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Default Ran SCR with Danny Collins School Today!

100 degrees.

No suspension mods.

205/55/16 BFG KDWS on factory rims.

35 laps, 5 laps at a time.

13mpg

On my second set of 5 laps I came out a front straight behind an S4. By the third lap I had closed to 5 car lengths before he pulled into the pits.

Got caught at the boot by a RMVR Porsche 911 on racing tires practicing for the Denver GP. As we exited the corner I waved him by. Halfway down the straight I was wondering why he hadn't passed me yet. Looked in my mirrors and he had lost 5 car lengths. Slowed down at corner one to let him by since he was faster through the corners.

Passed a brand new lowered GTI on 18" rims/wheels with temp tags. He was faster then me through a couple of corners but I left him for dead down the straight.

Passed a 2002 RSX that had stuffed itself at the dip on his first lap out.

Bottom line was I was faster then all the street cars and slower then all the race cars...in a wagon, with all season tires (note to self: rotate tires now!)

Fastest 5 laps:
1:29.91
1:30.01
1:30.35
1:30.43
1:30.56

Danny said I was very consitant and gave me 5's on everything except brake technique where I got a 4 for out braking myself once into Spectators Corner.

General impression on the day:

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Old 08-16-2002, 09:27 PM   #2
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That sounds like a lot of fun. Someday I need to make it out to SCR (hopefully before I wear the remaining tread off my Azenis).
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Old 08-16-2002, 10:43 PM   #3
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Thumbs up It was a blast.

I need to get a set of 17" Rotas with Azenis. That should make a big difference. But I am broke now.

Heard that the SCCA is going to run another Solo I out there sometime in the near future. Anybody know when?

Mark has been talking about having a Subaru track day at Second Creek, perhaps in October after racing season. Anyone interested?
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Old 08-16-2002, 11:04 PM   #4
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I need to get a set of 17" Rotas with Azenis. That should make a big difference. But I am broke now.

Heard that the SCCA is going to run another Solo I out there sometime in the near future. Anybody know when?

Mark has been talking about having a Subaru track day at Second Creek, perhaps in October after racing season. Anyone interested?
Well, looks like there will be another solo2 trails Sunday, September 29th at SCR (I think solo1 requires cages and stuff). They should have details at www.rmsolo.org as it get closer to the event.

I know about being broke... I am getting stuff together to codrive the Wenzel open class 323GTX in the Cog (in addition to buying a new washer and dryer ). We should have the GTX out at the next rallycross.
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Old 08-17-2002, 01:19 AM   #5
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A Subaru track day would be sweet! I am also planning on running the sept solo trials event, as long as my azenis still have some tread. How many subaru guys are planning on being there?
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Old 08-17-2002, 11:55 AM   #6
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Rupert,
Were you going race or counter-race? I ran at the last RMSolo event out there last March, Mother's day to be exact. They pinched Kamikaze down with cones, in fact, they put cones just about everywhere you'd want to put your wheels. My best was a 1.26.428 (stock suspension, Michelin Pilots, which I ruined, by the way - stock camber) There was one WRX wagon on r-compounds that turned a 1.25.090 and another one on RE-92s that turned a 1.26.834. Ron in the EVO VII ran a 1.12.603 (gulp!). But regardless of the times run, shed loads of fun for all! The next RMSolo event will be counter-race.

One last thing (you probably already did this) after any event like this, bleed your brakes, the fluid has more than likely gone off due to the heat.

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Old 08-17-2002, 01:07 PM   #7
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We were running clockwise. I ran between 1 and 4pm right in the heat of the day, first time over 100. I think the temperatures had a big part in the times. A couple SCCA SM Miatas were running 1:28's where they normally run 1:24's. I think most of the street car drivers had limited ability or experience since there is no way I should have caught an S4, or the Camaro, or the BMW roadster, but it was sure fun doing it! By the end of the day cars were pulling over for me as soon I showed up on the same straight even though my tires and brakes were feeling used up. If I was on RE 92's add another 5 seconds. The only two corners I was having problems with were Kamikazi and the Dip. Kamikaze I eventually figured out. I just couldn't get hooked up in the Dip, kept sliding wide and squealing the tires. This was the same spot the Acura RSX went off. I still feel the WRX is better off in the dirt but this was worth doing. Rain would have been fun too!

Extra bonus is that I am half way to my SCCA wheel to wheel racing license.

1:12? Yikkes!

I was thinking of replacing the brake fluid. Had two bottles of Wilwood 570 sitting in the garage but never got around to switching before I got out there.

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Old 08-17-2002, 03:38 PM   #8
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Rupert,

I was out at 2nd Creek yesterday, too, but on a bike. I saw you driving and looked for you in the pits, but saw you were taking a class so I left you alone. I really wanted to know what tires your were runnning (all-seasons would *not* have been my first guess) because they were remarkably quiet considering the kind of corner speed you were carrying.

I was on the red Ducati 748, black leathers, red helmet. During one session I came up behind you and one of the Miatas coming out of the Rat's Nest, followed you all the way to the exit from the House turn onto the front straight and went wide to pass you both down the straight. Wow! Despite driving a little silver wagon myself, I hadn't expected it to be so hard to outrun a wrx down a straight like that. Not that my 748 is very powerful, as sportbikes go, but it's still quite unusual to have a street car hang like that.

I also have to compliment you on the driving. From what I saw, you were cornering very, very smoothly, and not clipping the inside curb too much, either (most of the street drivers scatter dirt all over the racing line from clipping the apex, especially in the Rat's Nest, which annoys the bikers no end). There was a wrx sedan there earlier in the day who was, I believe, doing his first track day, and all my biker friends were giving me grief about it. It was *very* rewarding to have a wagon go out and show them that it could be done well.

I'll also vouch for the unbelievable heat. I had a nice visit with the prairie dogs in my last session when I over-estimated the grip left in my tires and slid the bike right to the edge of the pavement coming out of 88 and had to stand it up and take a little detour which I think you probably had a good view of (yeah, I was the guy riding through the dirt, waiting for you to pass before pulling back onto the track). I really hadn't expected my tires to give up that much and got a very quick and effective lesson about the effects of heat on both rubber and judgement.

So how do you think your WRX held up, particularly the brakes? Were you running stock pads/fluid? I took mine to CDR once, and had a lot of fun but it felt like the brakes would begin to fade after only three or four hot laps, so I spent a lot of time cooling down.
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Old 08-17-2002, 07:58 PM   #9
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Good grief yes!!!
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Old 08-17-2002, 08:57 PM   #10
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Tangmere, GOOD TIMES. What was your speed on the straights!

About a year I was hitting 100+ MPH front and back straight with some rock like old free BFG R1 race tires (on VW wheels and rubbing bad in the rear) with my 5 psi legacy turbo kit. Lot's o fun!

I suppose I am a bit faster now, and more experienced, but your time is very good for a fairly stock RS.

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Old 08-18-2002, 09:36 PM   #11
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Keith,

Isn't the 29th the last Rally Cross of the year? Since the schedule is written in sand, maybe we should talk to Dan about that. Looking forward to seeing the Mazda 323 next Saturday. Aaron says he might be at the Hill Climb in Grand Junction that day. So Open might be open!

Mark,

After more thought 4 seconds sounds like too much of a difference between hot and cold ambient temperatures. It makes a difference, but not that much. I was probably comparing the Miatas qualifying times with a race pace. considering you have over 50 hp less then me your times are very impressive. I am going to have to work on it!

Bells,

Cool! You've got a fast bike as well as a fast wagon! When Danny and I were walking around the track he was pointing out that the guys on the bikes knew what they were doing while most of the street cars didn't. So I watched you to figure out how to do it. I was a little nervous running with you guys because you came up so fast and were hard to see sometimes. I think I waved you by and drifted more then I wanted in your direction near the flat bend onto the main straight once. Hope I didn't scare you. I didn't see you go off but I did see you running upright through the dirt Did a little whistle to myself. I have never ridden a fast motorcycle but I did race road bikes in College and had a few off course excursions while running on slicks that had my stomach in my mouth. I was impressed you kept it upright! The only power mods I have are a replacement K&N flat panel filter and a Pro-Drive muffler. In theory that probably worth 5-7 hp. I can't feel it but it sounds cool! I was hitting fourth gear for about a second on each straight. No sure how fast that was since I was keeping my eye on the road most of the time. Danny discussed maybe feathering the throttle and keeping it in third but I never tried that. Pads and fluid were OEM. Last five laps I kept going deeeper into the corner where you went off despite braking at the same spot each time. They were getting spongey and my tires were getting pretty gooey (technical terms!) in those last 5 laps (first 30 at 5 lap intervals I had no problem). Thoughts of that WRX that rolled itself a few months back and a gas gauge that rapidly went from 3/4 to empty made me call it a fun day. Happy to say I didn't go off on the outside at all and only once cut into the inside dirt at Spectators. Hopefully we can hook up next time!
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I saw a shade over 95 on the front straight and about 3 mph or so less on the back straight. My cojones weren't big enough to keep it flat through Gusher even though I was sure the car would make it. I also took turn 2 in 2nd gear, in hindsight, I think 3rd would've been quicker. And as far as my times went, I wasn't the quickest in STS that day. Dan Hackett in a '00 RS (Tiens for suspension) ran a 1.25.954 to my 1.26.428. Funny thing was when he first went out, his lines were horrible and he was a bit jerky at the wheel. So, I went out with him for a bunch of laps pointing out where I thought he should be and what gear he should be in. And this is the thanks I got, him beating me at the end of the day. As a matter of fact, he just pipped me at today's autox by 47/1000ths. Anyway, I digress. Rupert, our times were with a clear track with cars at least 1/2 a lap in front and 1/2 a lap behind, so traffic wasn't really an issue with us.

Lets get that Subie track day going. Shall we start a separate thread?

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Old 08-19-2002, 12:02 AM   #13
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Lets get that Subie track day going. Shall we start a separate thread?

Yes, but lets check with SCR first as to what days are open.
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Rupert,
Looks like the last weekend in October is open. We also lose daylight savings time that weekend.

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Keith,

Isn't the 29th the last Rally Cross of the year? Since the schedule is written in sand, maybe we should talk to Dan about that. Looking forward to seeing the Mazda 323 next Saturday. Aaron says he might be at the Hill Climb in Grand Junction that day. So Open might be open!
Well, I'm not really sure what the rallyX schedule is... there isn't much on their site but I haven't looked through the mailing list archives. Given the choice between the docs property and SCR, I think I will pick SCR just because I haven't ran there before (as a driver, at least).

That hill climb sounds like fun. Did Aaron get something different? I know he mentioned he was selling his VR4.
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I saw Aaron's new car last week. It's an Eclipse. He just had a new rollcage installed that meets 2003 rules. He still has some work to do. He has detuned his VR4 and has it for sale. I believe he is either crewing for someone or maybe even co-driving, not sure though.
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