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Old 11-12-2013, 09:24 PM   #51
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The Porsche Macan will be shown to the world officially in Los Angeles next week. Some of you may be grateful that the seemingly endless stream of 'spy shots' and promo vids is ceasing, but there's one more teaser before the official unveiling.
This leaked photo reveals the specifications of all three Macan models, the S, S Diesel and Turbo. Perhaps the biggest shock comes from the respective kerbweights; despite initial suggestions that the Macan would shed a few kilos from its Audi Q5 underpinnings (more on that imminently), the lightest model is 1,898kg. That's a DIN kerbweight for the Macan S Diesel, which includes all the fluids and a 90 per cent full tank but not a driver. The Audi SQ5 TDI has a 1,920kg DIN kerbweight.

The petrol cars come in at 1,928kg and 1,947kg, effectively making them two-tonne cars with a driver. Blimey.

But any concerns the mass may dent performance are soon allayed by a quick glance at the performance stats. Even the diesel hits 62mph in 6.2 seconds and a 140mph maximum, with the 340hp Macan S capable of a 5.5-second sprint to 62 and 158mph. The Turbo, as you would expect, possesses some rather extraordinary performance figures. Thanks to 400hp and 406lb ft, the fastest Macan dips under five seconds to 62 (4.8) and will do 167mph.

We spoke with Porsche to clarify the exact relationship between the Q5 and Macan. Its typically diplomatic response was that it had "made use of great economies of scale within the wider VW Group." So although the Macan is based on the Q5 architecture (they wheelbase is identical, the dimensions very similar), Porsche has overhauled the underpinnings to ensure the two are "remarkably dissimilar."

Despite Porsche's claims to the contrary, you would imagine prospective Macan S Diesel buyers would also consider an SQ5. The BMW X3 xDrive35d is also a significant rival, boasting more power than the Macan (313hp plays 258hp) and torque (464lb ft against 428lb ft). There's no Range Rover Evoque to match the Macan for performance but Porsche still considers it another contender.

The Macan Turbo will probably rival the Mercedes GLA45 AMG when that arrives. AMG and Porsche in a junior SUV shootout? Purists best look away now.
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I'm going to assume that everything below top speed is their initial Consumer Reports reliability ratings.
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Old 11-14-2013, 05:58 PM   #53
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Old 11-14-2013, 06:09 PM   #54
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That partial cage will make it tough to fit child safety seats in the back.

Other than that, *yawn*
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Old 11-15-2013, 01:38 AM   #55
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That partial cage will make it tough to fit child safety seats in the back.

Other than that, *yawn*
Well it is only a matter of time until this overpriced Q5 will overtake the overpriced Touareg as the best selling Porsche.
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Old 11-15-2013, 03:22 AM   #56
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You ****ing got me
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Old 11-22-2013, 09:17 PM   #57
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A 400hp CUV with air suspension? Oh my.
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Old 11-22-2013, 10:30 PM   #58
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It is sad to see a legendary sports car brand like Porsche continue to dilute themselves. The Panamera and Cayenne already account for 2/3 of sales. After this is released, 911/Boxter/Caymen sales will likely only account for 20%. Porsche is just another luxury car maker now, nothing more.
As long as there is a 911, I could care less about what they make their money on
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Old 11-22-2013, 11:37 PM   #59
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As long as there is a 911, I could care less about what they make their money on
Macan or not, they are still more involved in motor sports than any other manufacturer.
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Macan or not, they are still more involved in motor sports than any other manufacturer.
Some people want others to fall on the sword of purity while they don't even buy the the things they're such purists about. Porsche used to make tractors ffs.

I think this and the GLA are pretty damn hot, and like the Cayenne vs the AMG, the Porsche gets the upper hand with the adjustable ride height afforded by the air suspension.
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Some people want others to fall on the sword of purity while they don't even buy the the things they're such purists about. Porsche used to make tractors ffs. I think this and the GLA are pretty damn hot, and like the Cayenne vs the AMG, the Porsche gets the upper hand with the adjustable ride height afforded by the air suspension.
The air suspension in our cayenne is awesome. Anyone knocking Porsches "other" cars, simply hasn't driven them. Heck the body roll in my STI is painful compared to our GTS.
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Just configured a Macan S with a few options, navigation, full leather, etc and was at $75k. seems a lot for a tarted up Tiguan; An SQ5 seems like a better option if you want luxury and performance on that platform.
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Just configured a Macan S with a few options, navigation, full leather, etc and was at $75k. seems a lot for a tarted up Tiguan; An SQ5 seems like a better option if you want luxury and performance on that platform.
Drive them first. There is a huge difference between the VW and Porsche models. That is certainly the case for the Cayenne and Toureg.
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Just configured a Macan S with a few options, navigation, full leather, etc and was at $75k. seems a lot for a tarted up Tiguan; An SQ5 seems like a better option if you want luxury and performance on that platform.
How many Tiguans can go 0-60 in 5.2 seconds? Neither of them have the air suspension/adjustable right height of the Macan, so they're always sitting high and paying a massive price in on-road handling prowess...which I always thought made these performance SUV's look quite silly. Any of them sitting at full height on the street look dumb with their low profile tires and massive wheel gaps.

The Macan and Cayenne, although not not sports cars, are capable of such amazing things that they certainly aren't just CUV's/SUV's. Despite everything else, they are still very much Porsches. Just look at any review of a Cayenne.
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Hence the reason I said if you want luxury and performance on this platform that the Audi SQ5 would be a better option/value.

The Macan is a Tiguan with $15k in factory performance modifications and $20k for the Porsche crest.

Don't get me wrong I love a lot of Porsche vehicles they are just 2x the price they should be once you add in the options that make them luxurious.

This is a rant at German luxury brands in general. Why are heated seats and leather seats options? You are a luxury brand it should be standard, it's standard on an Acura, Infiniti, Lexus, Buick, etc... why do you have to pay extra for push button start and cow hides if you want to buy a German luxury brand.

The reason of course is because they can and people will buy them. It's the same with reliability, they have worse statistics than Japanese luxury brands yet people still pay more for them.

If you are paying $65k for a luxury car shouldn't it come standard with more than you can option on a Ford?

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Oh I am right there with you man.

I get pissed every single time I look at German car prices, well premium German car prices. I think VW is still affordabe, but not nearly the cache as BMW or Benz.

I think the P car crest markup is insane. My good buddy went to buy a Diesel SUV. Looked at the Cayanne Diesel an the M class mercedes. Equally optioned the P car was 35k more than the Benz with worse warranty coverage. It was like 65k vs 100k. Buying the Mercedes is a no brainer in that case.
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Hence the reason I said if you want luxury and performance on this platform that the Audi SQ5 would be a better option/value.

The Macan is a Tiguan with $15k in factory performance modifications and $20k for the Porsche crest.
you keep saying this, but your wrong.

Tiguan = PQ35 FWD(w4motion aval.) transverse engine platform

Q5/SQ5/A&S4/A&S5/Macan = MLB AWD longitudinal engine platform

pretty big difference, so lets lay off the Tiguan comparisons
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How many Tiguans can go 0-60 in 5.2 seconds? Neither of them have the air suspension/adjustable right height of the Macan, so they're always sitting high and paying a massive price in on-road handling prowess...which I always thought made these performance SUV's look quite silly. Any of them sitting at full height on the street look dumb with their low profile tires and massive wheel gaps.

The Macan and Cayenne, although not not sports cars, are capable of such amazing things that they certainly aren't just CUV's/SUV's. Despite everything else, they are still very much Porsches. Just look at any review of a Cayenne.
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you keep saying this, but your wrong.

Tiguan = PQ35 FWD(w4motion aval.) transverse engine platform

Q5/SQ5/A&S4/A&S5/Macan = MLB AWD longitudinal engine platform

pretty big difference, so lets lay off the Tiguan comparisons

Whoops

I assumed since the Toureg was to Cayanne that Tiguan was to Macan.

Oh well the rest still applies. Thanks for the education nonetheless.
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Whoops I assumed since the Toureg was to Cayanne that Tiguan was to Macan. Oh well the rest still applies. Thanks for the education nonetheless.
No it doesn't. You really need to drive them both. My Cayenne GTS has 420 hp, goes to 60 in 5.4 seconds, has air suspension, and an amazing interior. I don't know of any Toureg that has those features. Don't get me wrong, the Toureg is a nice SUV, but shares little more than the base chassis with the Cayenne.
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This is a whole barrel of meh. Not interested.
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Old 12-24-2013, 05:20 PM   #72
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Scrappy, the car doesn't strike me as even remotely something that'd interest you...but look at it in this light: top trim is a 10.73lb:hp sporty CUV. That's every suburban upper-middle class soccermom's dream! I predict it will sell well.
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The word is pronouced Ma Chan. I study two Indonesian martial arts systems, Pa Macan is one of the sub-systems. Pa Macan or Pa Machan is (Pa)Father (Macan)Tiger.
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I'm sure it will be an impressive drive like all Porsche products.

And an incredible financial security-killing waste of money for 99% of people who purchase or lease one.
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Meh.

Note the complete lack of steering adjustment required in high-speed corners (those tires were complaining rather loudly) and the off-road portions.

You don't drive this vehicle, you direct it.
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