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Old 02-17-2012, 08:37 AM   #1
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Default GM to Biggest Consumer of the Volt

http://www.greencarreports.com/news/...oked-sometimes

It's pretty bad when the biggest consumer of an OEMs product is the OEM itself. They need to own up to it, that "the Volt is a flop." I've actually been in dozens of Volts for a position I used to hold, and I hated it. To be forced into it, by your employer ... I just don't know what to say other than the new GM is a lot like the old GM.
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Old 02-17-2012, 08:56 AM   #2
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It's pretty bad when the biggest consumer of an OEMs product is the OEM itself. They need to own up to it, that "the Volt is a flop." I've actually been in dozens of Volts for a position I used to hold, and I hated it. To be forced into it, by your employer ... I just don't know what to say other than the new GM is a lot like the old GM.
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Old 02-17-2012, 09:06 AM   #3
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It's pretty bad when the biggest consumer of an OEMs product is the OEM itself. They need to own up to it, that "the Volt is a flop." I've actually been in dozens of Volts for a position I used to hold, and I hated it. To be forced into it, by your employer ... I just don't know what to say other than the new GM is a lot like the old GM.
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Old 02-17-2012, 09:10 AM   #4
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General Electric is not the same company as General Motors silly.
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Old 02-17-2012, 09:10 AM   #5
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Old 02-17-2012, 10:22 AM   #6
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I was fooled as well from watching Fox News
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/whoops-fo...y-volt-report/
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Old 02-17-2012, 10:25 AM   #7
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They need to own up to it, that "the Volt is a flop."
By that definition, all electric cars are a flop so far. Every last one. We've a very long way to go before electric cars are a significant fraction of the cars on the road, cars like the Volt need to exist at this stage to push us in that direction.
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Old 02-17-2012, 11:32 AM   #8
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It's pretty bad when the biggest consumer of an OEMs product is the OEM itself. They need to own up to it, that "the Volt is a flop." I've actually been in dozens of Volts for a position I used to hold, and I hated it. To be forced into it, by your employer ... I just don't know what to say other than the new GM is a lot like the old GM.
Did you honestly read the article?
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Old 02-17-2012, 11:35 AM   #9
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GE will be hiring soon. Wait for a few of these to start burning down the houses of their employees and not only will they have to replace them but they're going to be sued for millions.
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Old 02-17-2012, 12:51 PM   #10
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GE will be hiring soon. Wait for a few of these to start burning down the houses of their employees and not only will they have to replace them but they're going to be sued for millions.
Wasn't it finally determined that the Volts were no more likely to catch fire than any other car?
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Old 02-17-2012, 01:07 PM   #11
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http://www.mediaite.com/tv/whoops-fo...y-volt-report/
Fox got something wrong? Well first time for everything.
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Old 02-17-2012, 01:27 PM   #12
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You forgot the quotation marks. It's Fox "News"

Don't believe everything you see on TV...
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Old 02-17-2012, 02:32 PM   #13
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http://www.mediaite.com/tv/whoops-fo...y-volt-report/
"Fool me once, shame on you..." doesn't even begin to be applicable in this case.

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By that definition, all electric cars are a flop so far. Every last one. We've a very long way to go before electric cars are a significant fraction of the cars on the road, cars like the Volt need to exist at this stage to push us in that direction.
Well, lets see... The Prius is one of the most successful brands of the past decade... the Tesla Roadster and Fisker Karma are being sold faster than they can be made and those companies' future products are pre-ordered well in advance...

... yet the Volt has been a big non-seller sitting in lots for extended periods. The Leaf hasn't met sales goals either, but it still outsold the Volt.

The Volt is a flop however you look at it.
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Old 02-17-2012, 02:41 PM   #14
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"Fool me once, shame on you..." doesn't even begin to be applicable in this case.

Well, lets see... The Prius is one of the most successful brands of the past decade... the Tesla Roadster and Fisker Karma are being sold faster than they can be made and those companies' future products are pre-ordered well in advance...

... yet the Volt has been a big non-seller sitting in lots for extended periods. The Leaf hasn't met sales goals either, but it still outsold the Volt.

The Volt is a flop however you look at it.
From what I read, the volt is a good hybrid. You can't compare it to a PRIUS because that model has been around much much longer and is produced by an automaker that people trust more than GM. Give it some time, brands take time to settle into the customers' minds.
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Old 02-17-2012, 03:08 PM   #15
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ROFL prius is the most successful? How many hybrids of all makes and models have been sold?
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Well, lets see... The Prius is one of the most successful brands of the past decade...
The Prius is not an electric car. You have to put fuel in it, period.

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All that tells me is that their manufacturing ability is weak. How many more Volts were sold last year than Tesla Roadsters? 5x? 10x? Is Tesla turning a profit yet? Nope. Anytime soon? Unlikely. When you're looking for something to call a flop.......

And don't get started on Fisker. How many cars did they sell in 2011? Making 25 a week is not particularly impressive. And will they still exist at the end of 2012? Not sure I'd take that bet . Another great candidate for flop.

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... yet the Volt has been a big non-seller sitting in lots for extended periods. The Leaf hasn't met sales goals either, but it still outsold the Volt.
Neither sells in any significant quantity. Some months the Volt outsells the Leaf, sometimes it's the other way around, and their total sales are at best a rounding error in the overall car market.

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Only if you're biased against GM. Otherwise the Volt is doing basically as well as any other electric car on the market.
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This tread will be funny in a couple months when gas price spike to 5$ a gallon and people flock like Lemings to buy these things.
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ROFL prius is the most successful? How many hybrids of all makes and models have been sold?
Toyota sells One-Millionth Prius in the US

The United States is the largest hybrid market in the world, with 2.18 million hybrid automobiles and SUVs sold through January 2012...
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Old 02-17-2012, 04:31 PM   #19
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The Volt isn't an electric car either, it's a plug in hybrid.
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The Volt isn't an electric car either, it's a plug in hybrid.
Yes, true . But it has an electric range just sufficient enough that a lot of people could use it exclusively as an EV. That's not true of any existing Prius, and the new plug-in Prius doesn't really have enough range or power to be exclusively EV for too many folks.
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Yes, true . But it has an electric range just sufficient enough that a lot of people could use it exclusively as an EV. That's not true of any existing Prius, and the new plug-in Prius doesn't really have enough range or power to be exclusively EV for too many folks.
This is why they came up with EREV designation, though it seems needlessly complex to me.
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Wasn't it finally determined that the Volts were no more likely to catch fire than any other car?
Honestly I'm not sure. I do know that you're talking about a 600 pound lithium ion battery, that I don't think was ever intended to be that big because they run so hot. Not only that, they are something like $15,000 to replace.
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"Fool me once, shame on you..." doesn't even begin to be applicable in this case.

Well, lets see... The Prius is one of the most successful brands of the past decade... the Tesla Roadster and Fisker Karma are being sold faster than they can be made and those companies' future products are pre-ordered well in advance...

... yet the Volt has been a big non-seller sitting in lots for extended periods. The Leaf hasn't met sales goals either, but it still outsold the Volt.

The Volt is a flop however you look at it.
You realize Fisker is about two short steps from going tits up now that the fed gov is going to stop subsidizing them, don't you?

I do agree though, the Volt is a flop. I've seen exactly three of them since they were released.
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Honestly I'm not sure. I do know that you're talking about a 600 pound lithium ion battery, that I don't think was ever intended to be that big because they run so hot. Not only that, they are something like $15,000 to replace.
Why are you paying to replace a battery? Have we already exceeded the warranty?
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