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Old 02-21-2012, 09:41 PM   #1
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I'm thinking about getting a 6" Griot's Garage Random Orbital for sealing, waxing and occasionally some light polishing. Would I be alright getting a 6 pack of 6.5" LC CCS pads? I was thinking 2 white pads, 2 blue pads and 2 red pads. Also, can anyone explain the difference between finishing, finessing and jewelling? If my plan is to wash, clay and apply a couple coats of sealant every six months or so, which of those pads would be the best? Thanks.
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Old 02-22-2012, 09:37 AM   #2
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I'm thinking about getting a 6" Griot's Garage Random Orbital for sealing, waxing and occasionally some light polishing. Would I be alright getting a 6 pack of 6.5" LC CCS pads? I was thinking 2 white pads, 2 blue pads and 2 red pads. Also, can anyone explain the difference between finishing, finessing and jewelling? If my plan is to wash, clay and apply a couple coats of sealant every six months or so, which of those pads would be the best? Thanks.
I assume you are getting the finishing, finessing and jeweling from the pad description? If so, most of it is a marketing thing. If you are set on getting this combo of pads the red will be for your LSP application. The white is called a finishing pad because it has light cutting and is designed around the use of finishing (low abrasive) polishes. The blue I believe has mininimal/no cutting ability.

Jeweling is more of a technique than a simple pad type. Speeds of the polisher are gradually reduced over a period of time to work the paints surface into an extremely high gloss finish. This is how I understand it and have no experience with using that technique so I can't really explain it any further than theory. Maybe Kean (I'm sure he either has experience or a link) or Dugie can chime in on it.

Honestly I would say orange, white and gray. Possibly a light cut green thrown in, that combo will cover all of your basics and allow you to become more comfortable before you move on into advanced polishing techniques.
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Old 02-22-2012, 10:37 AM   #3
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I assume you are getting the finishing, finessing and jeweling from the pad description? If so, most of it is a marketing thing. If you are set on getting this combo of pads the red will be for your LSP application. The white is called a finishing pad because it has light cutting and is designed around the use of finishing (low abrasive) polishes. The blue I believe has mininimal/no cutting ability.

Jeweling is more of a technique than a simple pad type. Speeds of the polisher are gradually reduced over a period of time to work the paints surface into an extremely high gloss finish. This is how I understand it and have no experience with using that technique so I can't really explain it any further than theory. Maybe Kean (I'm sure he either has experience or a link) or Dugie can chime in on it.

Honestly I would say orange, white and gray. Possibly a light cut green thrown in, that combo will cover all of your basics and allow you to become more comfortable before you move on into advanced polishing techniques.
Thanks for your response. Honestly, I don't see myself working with any compounds yet since the paint on the cars I would be detailing are in good shape. Could I skip the orange cutting pad? I would actually rather just get a couple pads as opposed to the six pack, maybe one white and one blue/red? I am planning on using Meguiars Ultimate Polish with the white pad and Meguiars Ultimate Liquid Wax for the blue or red pad. Would this be good to start off with? Also, what is LSP? Thanks!
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Old 02-22-2012, 10:51 AM   #4
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....I don't bother with jeweling either to be honest. Frankly, I'm just not looking for that level of "perfection" and can usually make do with a white pad with a finishing polish like M205 or an AIO. Heck, Im not even striving for 100% correction these days (chasing RIDS, etc.).

I think your description is close Aspen, along with change in the amount pressure the user applies.

In a very general nutshell, "jeweling" is the next level of enhancing the finish after correction. IMO, this is usually a practice reserved for those doing high end work or for special applications (ie show cars, etc.) looking for that extra level of perfection for clients/individuals with a discerning eye. ....that's not say folks shouldn't or couldn't do this on other vehicles and DD's. If you're really interested, do a search on detailing specific websites like Autopia.org.

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Old 02-22-2012, 10:59 AM   #5
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LSP = last step product (ie wax, sealant, coating, etc.).
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Old 02-22-2012, 02:44 PM   #6
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Thanks for your response. Honestly, I don't see myself working with any compounds yet since the paint on the cars I would be detailing are in good shape. Could I skip the orange cutting pad? I would actually rather just get a couple pads as opposed to the six pack, maybe one white and one blue/red? I am planning on using Meguiars Ultimate Polish with the white pad and Meguiars Ultimate Liquid Wax for the blue or red pad. Would this be good to start off with? Also, what is LSP? Thanks!
Well, in most cases you will use pads per application as opposed to per product type. Unless of course you develop a system, or go with one already laid out for you (Adams, Pinnacle, etc.) which takes the guess work out of the equation.

I find that in alot of cases, like Kean stated, the white is sufficient for me as a one step. I have personally not found much use for blues yet (haven't really tried much honestly) and the red is great for your Ultimate Wax (LSP). As far as you using Megs Ultimate Polish, a white pad would be a good match. But again, it all varies per application.

You actually getting hands on and visually seeing changes will give your far more understanding than we can simply explain. Like Kean stated above, look into dedicated detailing sites like autopia.org for more detailed information.
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Old 02-22-2012, 07:15 PM   #7
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Old 02-23-2012, 07:53 AM   #8
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get a 5" backing plate and get 5.5" pads..you will be happy you did...the pads may be a little smaller but they will work better on the machine being less mass to rotate and will keep the griots spinning not just vibrating cause it is bogging down from to much load..I have a Griots and I only use 5.5" pads..you will be able to work faster cause your not constantly trying to get it from not bogging down. I only would ever use 6.5" pads on my old Flex 3401 if you wanted to stick with foam the Lake Country hydrotech 5.5" low profile pads would be the best choice..Thats the only foam pads I use..also the MF pads system from Meguiars or Optima would be a good choice
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Old 02-23-2012, 08:26 AM   #9
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get a 5" backing plate and get 5.5" pads..you will be happy you did...the pads may be a little smaller but they will work better on the machine being less mass to rotate and will keep the griots spinning not just vibrating cause it is bogging down from to much load..I have a Griots and I only use 5.5" pads..you will be able to work faster cause your not constantly trying to get it from not bogging down.........
I agree. I found easier use when I switched out the plate on my GG to a 5" and started using 5.5" pads. A new 5" plate is pretty low cost and easier to make the switch compared to when you already have quite a few 6.5" pads laying around. I also tend to stick to LC pads.
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Old 02-23-2012, 04:48 PM   #10
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I keep hearing that. I'll consider just getting the 5" backing plate and 5.5" pads before I start buying 6.5" pads. Thanks.
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Old 02-24-2012, 01:45 PM   #11
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Make sure you understand your goals, need and process before you start buying stuff.

Really good write up here at detailing world.
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Old 02-26-2012, 12:45 PM   #12
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That is a great write up. Thank you.

The more I think about it, the more I'm leaning to getting the 5" backing plate and a six pack of 5.5" Lake Country CCS pads. I'm thinking two white polishing pads, two gray/black finishing pads, one blue finessing pads and one red finessing pads. Like I mentioned before, I don't plan on using any aggressive polishes as of yet. Do you think those pads would be sufficient for final polishes (white), glazes (gray/black), synthetic sealants (blue) and carnauba waxes (red)?

I know there are many variables but I'm just wondering if this is a good place to start. I would rather buy a single pad of each type instead of a couple pads of three different types but the more I hear, the more it sounds like a single pad won't be able to cover the entire car for any given step in the process (for example, I couldn't polish the entire car with one white pad as it would get gunked up). I'm not going to buy that $130 pad cleaner so I can clean as I go either so that's out of the question.
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Old 02-27-2012, 01:27 PM   #13
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YMMV on the backing plate sizes. The smaller you go the more cut you get out of the pad due to a higher effective rpm. I have a 4" backing plate on my PC that I use for smaller panels of the car and I love it.

IMHO there really is not a whole lot of difference between the LC CCS Gray/Black, Blue and Red pads. Personally I prefer the gray/black as it is not quite as "squishy" as the other two.

I use gray/black pads for glazes, paint cleaners, jeweling polishes (Menzerna PO85rd) and sealants. Depending on how screwed up the clear coat is and how much time I have I'll use either white or orange pads with Menzerna PO83 and PO106.

For carnauba waxes I use a hand pad for application as typically the designer waxes containers don't lend themselves well to the size of the DA pads.

For me it takes me about 3 white pads to get through the whole car, then 1 black per step after polish. IE PO106 on White to correct, PO85rd to jewel on black/gray in the summer time, Dodo Juice Lime Prime Lite on black/ gray to paint clean and glaze and then a caranuba.

In winter, I skip the po85RD and Lime Prime and use CG ventura bond post polish and Menzerna power bond sealant both applied with a black / gray pad.

As far as cleaning the pads, all you really need is a good wire brush, a bucket, and some pad cleaner. You can use the wire brush to while the pad is on the DA to knock the old polish off every couple of passes. It helps to stretch out the pad a little longer.
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Old 02-27-2012, 02:06 PM   #14
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yellow>orange>blue>red depending on how badly the paint is swirled and the softness of the paint. on my wrx i don't use the yellow and go right to the orange
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Old 02-27-2012, 10:05 PM   #15
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....I agree with Amnizu. I get more use out of my LC orange, white and gray's. Frankly, while there are noticeable physical differences in the finer pads like the blues and reds, they just don't bring anything to the table for me (at least in what I'm looking to get from them). ....in all honesty however, I rarely use any of my DA's for LSP application anyhow.
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