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Old 10-01-2012, 12:24 PM   #951
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Ah, yes I didn't have the brakes in that budget because they didnt quite exist yet. So probably $8k or so. I don't think I would have an extra set of rains since full tread tires seem so fast on the current options.
most WRX kits will work...its the same Rotor diameter as 02-07 WRX's..and the caliper mounts are the same...the only difference is where the caliper hangs...front or rear..which mean you might have to use the left caliper on the right side and vis-versa to get the bleeders to drain correctly..

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Old 10-01-2012, 01:06 PM   #952
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Hey George... Long time...no more EVO???

the Stock size battery is a grp 35... I am using a DEKA..soo your Lithium Pros L680 battery should be fine...You might have to make a custom mount for it..
The BRZ is proving that It belongs.... it is very Nimble...not alot of power...Finesse' and Momentum make this a Drivers Car..Its point and shoot with lovely handling qualities... it turns when you ask it too and goes where its directed..

Hope that helps.. good to see ya man..

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Thanks, Bill... Yep, been out of the Evos since '10 playing w/ Godzilla, which has been a blast, but ultimately not competitive @ 3600# in SM

I have yet to drive a BRZ, and can't wait to do so. But I will miss the power if I get one, I'm sure... 600whp > 200whp
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Old 10-01-2012, 02:48 PM   #953
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most WRX kits will work...its the same Rotor diameter as 02-07 WRX's..and the caliper mounts are the same...the only difference is where the caliper hangs...front or rear..which mean you might have to use the left caliper on the right side and vis-versa to get the bleeders to drain correctly..

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Old 10-01-2012, 02:51 PM   #954
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most WRX kits will work...its the same Rotor diameter as 02-07 WRX's..and the caliper mounts are the same...the only difference is where the caliper hangs...front or rear..which mean you might have to use the left caliper on the right side and vis-versa to get the bleeders to drain correctly..

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In the case of FHI 4 piston calipers it should not matter - the pistons are the same size.

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Old 10-01-2012, 02:53 PM   #955
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I believe the Essex kit rotors are actually 9mm bigger than stock diameter rotors and thicker as well.
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Old 10-01-2012, 02:59 PM   #956
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You are right guess I stopped reading that thread on ft86 too soon. I had a complete Wilwood dynalite WRX setup I recently sold but I was never too enamored with those calipers although they are very inexpensive.
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Old 10-01-2012, 03:02 PM   #957
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In the case of FHI 4 piston calipers it should not matter - the pistons are the same size.

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Exactly..



The Essex kit is badass for sure..but is 2000 dollar badass???
I already have the FHI 4pots sitting on my Daily right now...just need to take them off...Refurbish them a bit...and put them on the BRZ...and use the BRZ Calipers on the Daily...EZ..PZ...right??? ..oh but I want aluminum hatted rotors...but those are serious Bank.. for rotors...But I loose 10lbs a side...But ...But...But....

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The rotor is approx 14ish pounds

The 4 pot FHI or stock caliper/bracket is about 15 pounds

You can run the Nissan AL version caliper w/ a bracket - that would save several pounds. It uses an SVX rotor.

I would think for AX you are mostly after feel even if you run A6's.

Road Racing is another story.

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Old 10-01-2012, 03:35 PM   #959
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Ken Very True... I am pretty satisfied with the stock Brakes...for now... but I want to put the 4pots on maybe just for the Bling Factor... ..J/K.. how much are Aluminum hatted rotors from you?>?? you can PM me if you want..that is where I see the majority of the weight savings...and its rotational , not just un-sprung..so I "should" feel a difference, No????

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Old 10-02-2012, 08:35 PM   #960
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You're basically asking about DBA5000 rotors. Ken probably has access to others, but last I checked (a LONG time ago) that was one of the only stock size 2pc rotors. Heinously expensive IMO...but people will throw around a LOT of money for weight reduction, especially for unsprung weight.
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Old 10-02-2012, 08:54 PM   #961
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You're basically asking about DBA5000 rotors. Ken probably has access to others, but last I checked (a LONG time ago) that was one of the only stock size 2pc rotors. Heinously expensive IMO...but people will throw around a LOT of money for weight reduction, especially for unsprung weight.
yeah...$800 for the pair... that is crazy..


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They are not that much.

But

DBA realized that the WRX was pretty UNDERBRAKED. So while the hat went AL - the ring got heavier thus no weight saving.

However

BRZ has the 'new' 294 x 24 rotor (09+ WRX and others)

If you got a cheap rotor for an 02 WRX (example a 121.47018 Centric) you would save about 2.5 - 3 pounds a corner or more. Drill a few holes in it (countless EBay vendors) and you'd save even more.

AX is more like drag racing - a few good stops and done. So semi grippy pads on the lightest cheapest rotor you can buy..well actually not bad. You could probably save 5-6 pounds and increase bite.
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Strano Performance KW Suspension 400lb front, 325lb rear
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That little list should help you around the track nicely. Adjustable toe links would be the next step as well as rear camber adjustablility.
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Old 10-03-2012, 08:40 PM   #964
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That little list should help you around the track nicely. Adjustable toe links would be the next step as well as rear camber adjustablility.
The Adjustable Toe links are not legal for STX...sorry..the rear camber kit is questionable as well...


some other things I am considering tho:
-BBK thats about 12 lbs lighter than stock components per side (Not Essex)
-Lightweight Seats...Sparco Evo3
-stiffer Bushings
-Header with Cat
-high performance overpipe and midpipe.
-Tune ...91/E85
-2nd set of rims/tires

Thats what I am considering right now...then will prioritize and buy accordingly..

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Old 10-03-2012, 08:42 PM   #965
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Still learning the STX rules but I read this yesterday which makes me think camber kits are legal:

I. Camber kits, also known as camber compensators, may be installed. These kits consist of either adjustable length arms or arm mounts (including ball joints) that provide a lateral adjustment to the effective length of a control arm. Alignment outside the factory specifications is allowed. The following restrictions apply:
1. On double/unequal arm (e.g. wishbone, multi-link) suspensions, only the upper arms OR lower arms may be modified or replaced, but not both. Non-integral longitudinal arms that primarily control fore/aft wheel movement (e.g. trailing arm(s) or link(s) of a multi- link suspension) may not be replaced, changed, or modified.
2. On arm-and-strut (MacPherson/Chapman) suspensions, the lower arms may be modified/replaced OR other methods of camber ad- justment as allowed by paragraphs 14.8.B, C, or G may be used, but not both.
3. On swing or trailing arm suspensions, the main arms may not be modified or replaced, but lateral locating links/arms may be modi- fied or replaced.
4. The replacement arms or mounts must attach to the original stan- dard mounting points. All bushings must meet the requirements of 14.8.B. Intermediate mounting points (e.g. shock/spring mounts) may not be moved or relocated on the arm, except as incidental to the camber adjustment. The knuckle/bearing housing/spindle assembly cannot be modified or replaced.
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5. Changes in suspension geometry are not allowed except as inci- dental to the effective arm length change.
noTe: Many modern suspension designs known by other names, ac- tually function as double A-arm designs. These include the rear sus- pensions on 1988+ Honda Civic/Integra, Chrysler/Plymouth/Dodge Neon, BMW E36, and most “multi-link” and are covered by section 14.8.I.1.
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To my reading of the rules, adjustable arms (which i think you are calling "camber kits") are legal. The intent of the rules is to allow you to change camber, but only in ONE location per hub. I, for instance, am using camber plates up front and adjustable lower arms in the rear.
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So....these are Legal???



or this:

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Yes I believe so. I think Strano is using the bushings on his FRS or perhaps he suggested them for STX 86s in another post.
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From what I understand, both are leagal, but you can only use one or the other. Not both.
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So....these are Legal???

I don't think these are legal, because you appear to be changing the outer bushing to a heim or pivot ball setup... IF the car comes with those already AND the arms do not change the stock geometry other than camber/toe then they would be legal

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^^^ That was my thought also...Besides that..I haven't seen anyone use these in ST....I could be wrong... I know the Honda's have these available as well... I guess I will have to pay attention to the setup on some of these cars when I have a chance..

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Old 10-04-2012, 09:23 AM   #972
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Bill,

The Whiteline camber bushings may be ST-legal, although I'd first want to verify the diameter of the center pin isn't any larger than the stock sleeve, in order to remain in compliance with the restriction that replacement bushings can't have more metal in them than stock.

Every single adjustable rear camber arm I've found is illegal in ST, due to the heim joint on the inner mounting point. I'm currently thinking about buying an aftermarket set of arms and replacing/modifying the inner mounting point to include a standard poly bushing. Are you or anyone else interested in modified arms, if I go that route? Fabricating multiple sets would likely reduce the cost a bit. Note: I was looking at the Megan Racing or Cusco arms, as they seem to be the least expensive options. The other alternative would be to modify a set of stock arms, which MIGHT be marginally less expensive.

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http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=1910903

The Power flex bushings are the ones to buy though more expensive they are easier to work with when adjusting the alignment.
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The Power flex bushings are the ones to buy though more expensive they are easier to work with when adjusting the alignment.
Based on that photo, it doesn't look like the Power Flex bushings would be legal. They definitely appear to have more metal content than stock.

SuperPro also makes eccentric bushings for both the upper and lower arms, but I'm not sure if they have igher metal content than stock or not.
http://superpro.com.au/find-superpro...rt?id=SPF3107K

If someone is using any of these eccentric bushings, or plans to do so, I would HIGHLY recommend submitting a letter to the STAC/SEB. These parts look like protest-bait, based on the current rules.

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[EDIT] After thinking about it, the stock Subaru bushings usually include a metal ring around the outside of the bushing. That may be enough metal to cover the extra metal used in the Whiteline & SuperPro eccentric bushings. However, the Superflex bushing looks pretty questionable, with that big steel piece on one side. Sounds like someone needs to cut up a stock bushing and get out the scale! [/EDIT]

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I may have found a set of ST-legal adjustable arms. SPC Performance makes some arms that use a cam adjuster to change the arm length. The inner bushing looks like a stock bushing, which would allow any aftermarket poly bushing to be used. I'm going to follow up with these guys and see if I can get more detailed spec's & photos.

http://www.jegs.com/p/Specialty-Prod...65562/10002/-1

http://www.spcperformance.com/compon...AFrom&to=USATo

Update: I already heard back from SPC. The inner bushing isn't exactly the same dimensions as the stock Subaru bushing, but is a rubber bushing of very similar construction. I have contact information for the Engineer who designed the part, and will get dimensions for the bushing. It's likely I can find an off-the-shelf poly bushing that fits. I'll also ask the Engineer whether he did any modelling/testing of the part, to verify the stiffness & durability, versus stock.

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