BRZ ST(X) Build - Page 40

Scooby South · 10-04-2012, 10:38 PM

Thank you sir...I appreciate your efforts..

.. those SPC 'might' be the ticket...but to be honest..I don't know if I need them??? my rear camber is adjusted from the ride height of the coilover... which where it is...is just about perfect rear camber...-1.75 on both sides...the only benefit might be the Toe adjusters...and a bit stiffer bushing material.. I might end up doing these at some point..but money is going to other things

...They are priced ALOT better than most... Thanks again..

Bill

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MNbiker · 10-04-2012, 11:15 PM

Adjustable arms may not be critical for a BRZ build. On the other hand, they're high on my wish list for the WRX. The rear suspension designs may be the same, but the settings sure won't be.

-Steve

KNS Brakes · 10-05-2012, 12:00 PM

We just got the first four sets of rear HP+ that Hawk made for the BRZ

BeBop86 · 10-05-2012, 05:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WRXBrakes

We just got the first four sets of rear HP+ that Hawk made for the BRZ

Are they any different than wrx pad shape? I thought they use the same caliper?

ABQautoxer · 10-05-2012, 05:33 PM

Rears on the BRZ are older Legacy pads, not WRX. Fronts are WRX.

KNS Brakes · 10-05-2012, 05:49 PM

BRZ

Front brakes = 2011 WRX
Rear Brakes = 2010 + LGT - hence new pad.

The FRS has two versions

The larger listed above and a smaller version

2011 Impreza front and 2011 Impreza/WRX rear

-Ken

Scooby South · 10-06-2012, 11:36 AM

thanks Ken... Looking at overall Braking options *calipers,rotors, lines etc ...right now I am ok with the stock braking/pads etc.. I do have lines and fluid done..

Suspension Review:

After about 100 plus runs on my car since new..I am still very impressed with how the KW Var3 works... I have said it from the beginning that they got it right to begin with. They did the R&D and its shows...I have done some minor tweaks to my initial setup but its not that far off from the factory recommended settings.. a couple of clicks on the Rebound and compression, the ride height, and camber settings...(I am using front Plates).. I don't know how the others compare to the KW's but I Know that I got the best product for the money to be competitive in my Class.. the car has a number of class wins and a couple of index wins.. so the car is competitive..
-Recommendations:
Alignment is absolute critical with this platform, My car has been on the rack 4 times before I finally figured out the 'sweet spot'
-KW's have multiple settings for bump and rebound...Don't be afraid to experiment a bit to know what the suspension is doing.
-Ride height is also critical with this platform... Slammed is not the optimum handling option for this car.. it will take some time to play with that too...again don't be afraid to experiment.
-spring rates are a personal choice...but I will say the KW's are pretty good out of the box...I have tweeked the spring rates to my liking making the car handle better..but Know that the stock spring rates are adequate..
-Sway bars: I have not found a need to swap out sway bars with the KW's... I have upgraded the bushings and the endlinks...as well as the Rear subframe bushings..Less movement overall makes the car more predicatable..

thats my review in a nutshell ... I won't get into specifics on my settings, Alignment or my setup...I will give you general information... ...besides that my driving style might be alot different than yours..... I will say my car is setup to shave 10ths off not just seconds... I will be fighting for a championship next year so I am trying to get the car as comfortable as possible that is fast and instills the most confidence driving it..

one last thing...Car is setup to run with NO Traction Aids whatsoever...ALL OFF..

Thanks to Kartboy, Wheeldude, and Strano Performance for helping get the car competitive... Very Happy with end results... More stuff over the winter..to look forward too..and bring the car up to the next level..

Bill

Scooby South · 10-06-2012, 11:45 AM

For my own Reference:

Quote:

D. Exhaust manifolds and headers (including downpipes) may be replaced
with alternate units. Mounting brackets/hardware which serve
no other purpose are considered part of the exhaust components.
E. Catalytic Converters - Any high flow catalytic converter(s) are allowed,
but must attach within six inches of the original unit. Multiple
catalytic converters may be replaced by a single unit. The inlet of the
single replacement converter may be located no further downstream
than 6” along the piping flow path from the original exit of the final
OE converter.

Scooby South · 10-06-2012, 11:49 AM

^^^ with that in mind, I only need the converter in the mid-pipe to be legal and don't need one in the Header?

soo I can run a catless header with a hi-flo in the midpipe and be legal if thats what I am understanding. I know this rule was originally protested for a single Cat on a WRX.

Thoughts???

thanks
Bill

BlkWRXWag · 10-06-2012, 12:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scooby South

^^^ with that in mind, I only need the converter in the mid-pipe to be legal and don't need one in the Header?

soo I can run a catless header with a hi-flo in the midpipe and be legal if thats what I am understanding.
Bill

That's exactly what we do for the MX5 in STR. Long tube catless headers with a high flo cat in the midpipe.

Scooby South · 10-06-2012, 03:39 PM

thanks Max..

Scooby South · 10-08-2012, 10:43 PM

Awesome action shot... full load, At Speed... not much roll there...

Enjoy

silverhks · 10-09-2012, 11:23 PM

^^^ Do I see air under the driver side rear? Your torsen is not going to doing much good like that...

Scooby South · 10-10-2012, 12:07 AM

I Don't know.. I don't think so... car never felt like it was loosing grip...I think its the angle..but I can see why you would say that tho..

...I haven't experienced Wheel lift to my knowledge..and theres plenty of droop in the rear suspension... I WILL keep an eye on it tho..

maybe I can set a camera somehow to record so I can see it up close if the car is really lifting the inside...

Bill

KC · 10-10-2012, 09:13 AM

Yes. That's air under the tire (and even a small amount in front).

You could have plenty of droop, but rebound may not be up to the task of forcing the tire back down fast/hard enough, or the rear bar is too big which counteracts the rebound by keeping the tire up...

I would think about adding more front roll stiffness (bigger front bar?) and see how things go.

That said, it could have been a bump or uneven surface giving the illusion it's lifting, but something to definitely keep an eye on.

--kC

ButtDyno · 10-10-2012, 09:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scooby South

I haven't experienced Wheel lift to my knowledge..

Yes you have. Here's a picture

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scooby South

Scooby South · 10-10-2012, 11:51 AM

well...I guess Its OS GIKEN time then...

.. along with MORE suspension stuff..

thanks for pointing it out ...

Bill

dwx · 10-10-2012, 01:05 PM

Heh disconnect the rear swaybar? Phil at Element Tuning ended up doing that for road courses, but his issues were more due to running up on inside curbing and whatnot.

I haven't run into too many issues on corner exit on A6s with the stock suspension but I'm not racing on grippier concrete, it's non-grippy asphalt. I am putting a front bar on however because it could definitely be an issue on gripper surfaces, not to mention other reasons.

ButtDyno · 10-10-2012, 10:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scooby South

well...I guess Its OS GIKEN time then...

.. along with MORE suspension stuff..

thanks for pointing it out ...

Bill

For that matter, your front tire is damn near off the ground too...

silverhks · 10-11-2012, 01:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ButtDyno

For that matter, your front tire is damn near off the ground too...

That is what makes me think there might have been a bump there, we need more evidence

Scooby South · 10-14-2012, 06:57 PM

Full load...No gap...

.. I have more.. could have been a slight bump...

KC · 10-15-2012, 03:02 PM

Back tire is in the air. Stiffen the front.

--kC

Scooby South · 10-21-2012, 03:10 PM

Decided to virtual race for the weekend....much cheaper...

Seriously...The Season is over for me for the year, but I will continue to 'build' over the winter...

Bill

chanomatik · 10-22-2012, 05:34 PM

A lot of pics from your older posts disappeared. Do you have the one that showed the brake discs? I think they were being compared. I'm positive it was your thread that showed them to be similar to 06/07 WRX... Or I'm just getting my info mixed up.

Thanks!

KNS Brakes · 10-22-2012, 05:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chanomatik

A lot of pics from your older posts disappeared. Do you have the one that showed the brake discs? I think they were being compared. I'm positive it was your thread that showed them to be similar to 06/07 WRX... Or I'm just getting my info mixed up.

Thanks!

BRZ discs - front = 2009 + WRX (heavier version of 2002-2008 fornt disc)
Rear = 2010 LGT

10-04-2012, 10:38 PM	#976
Scooby South Subtly Outspoken Moderator Member#: 238 Join Date: Sep 1999 Chapter/Region: MWSOC Location: 2013 Limited SWP BRZ and a Vehicle: 99 Ver6 Recreation JDM Speedwagon 3 LSDs..:)	Thank you sir...I appreciate your efforts.... those SPC 'might' be the ticket...but to be honest..I don't know if I need them??? my rear camber is adjusted from the ride height of the coilover... which where it is...is just about perfect rear camber...-1.75 on both sides...the only benefit might be the Toe adjusters...and a bit stiffer bushing material.. I might end up doing these at some point..but money is going to other things ...They are priced ALOT better than most... Thanks again.. Bill * Registered users of the site do not see these ads.

10-05-2012, 12:00 PM	#978
KNS Brakes NASIOC Vendor Member#: 125739 Join Date: Sep 2006 Chapter/Region: South East Location: Raleigh, NC Vehicle: Who needs brakes? Call: 919-420-0021	We just got the first four sets of rear HP+ that Hawk made for the BRZ Last edited by KNS Brakes; 10-05-2012 at 12:08 PM.

10-10-2012, 12:07 AM	#989
Scooby South Subtly Outspoken Moderator Member#: 238 Join Date: Sep 1999 Chapter/Region: MWSOC Location: 2013 Limited SWP BRZ and a Vehicle: 99 Ver6 Recreation JDM Speedwagon 3 LSDs..:)	I Don't know.. I don't think so... car never felt like it was loosing grip...I think its the angle..but I can see why you would say that tho.....I haven't experienced Wheel lift to my knowledge..and theres plenty of droop in the rear suspension... I WILL keep an eye on it tho.. maybe I can set a camera somehow to record so I can see it up close if the car is really lifting the inside... Bill

10-10-2012, 09:13 AM	#990
KC Scooby Guru Member#: 442 Join Date: Oct 1999 Chapter/Region: NESIC Location: SE Mass/RI Vehicle: 2013 Crosstrek XV 00 Honda S2000	Yes. That's air under the tire (and even a small amount in front). You could have plenty of droop, but rebound may not be up to the task of forcing the tire back down fast/hard enough, or the rear bar is too big which counteracts the rebound by keeping the tire up... I would think about adding more front roll stiffness (bigger front bar?) and see how things go. That said, it could have been a bump or uneven surface giving the illusion it's lifting, but something to definitely keep an eye on. --kC Last edited by KC; 10-10-2012 at 09:18 AM.

10-10-2012, 11:51 AM	#992
Scooby South Subtly Outspoken Moderator Member#: 238 Join Date: Sep 1999 Chapter/Region: MWSOC Location: 2013 Limited SWP BRZ and a Vehicle: 99 Ver6 Recreation JDM Speedwagon 3 LSDs..:)	well...I guess Its OS GIKEN time then..... along with MORE suspension stuff.. thanks for pointing it out ... Bill

10-04-2012, 11:15 PM	#977
MNbiker NASIOC Supporter Member#: 18148 Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Saint Paul, MN Vehicle: '08 Subaru WRX Dark Gray	Adjustable arms may not be critical for a BRZ build. On the other hand, they're high on my wish list for the WRX. The rear suspension designs may be the same, but the settings sure won't be. -Steve

10-05-2012, 05:33 PM	#980
ABQautoxer Scooby Newbie Member#: 198231 Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Albuquerque, NM Vehicle: '06 WRX SGM	Rears on the BRZ are older Legacy pads, not WRX. Fronts are WRX.

10-05-2012, 05:49 PM	#981
KNS Brakes NASIOC Vendor Member#: 125739 Join Date: Sep 2006 Chapter/Region: South East Location: Raleigh, NC Vehicle: Who needs brakes? Call: 919-420-0021	BRZ Front brakes = 2011 WRX Rear Brakes = 2010 + LGT - hence new pad. The FRS has two versions The larger listed above and a smaller version 2011 Impreza front and 2011 Impreza/WRX rear -Ken

10-06-2012, 11:36 AM	#982
Scooby South Subtly Outspoken Moderator Member#: 238 Join Date: Sep 1999 Chapter/Region: MWSOC Location: 2013 Limited SWP BRZ and a Vehicle: 99 Ver6 Recreation JDM Speedwagon 3 LSDs..:)	thanks Ken... Looking at overall Braking options *calipers,rotors, lines etc ...right now I am ok with the stock braking/pads etc.. I do have lines and fluid done.. Suspension Review: After about 100 plus runs on my car since new..I am still very impressed with how the KW Var3 works... I have said it from the beginning that they got it right to begin with. They did the R&D and its shows...I have done some minor tweaks to my initial setup but its not that far off from the factory recommended settings.. a couple of clicks on the Rebound and compression, the ride height, and camber settings...(I am using front Plates).. I don't know how the others compare to the KW's but I Know that I got the best product for the money to be competitive in my Class.. the car has a number of class wins and a couple of index wins.. so the car is competitive.. -Recommendations: Alignment is absolute critical with this platform, My car has been on the rack 4 times before I finally figured out the 'sweet spot' -KW's have multiple settings for bump and rebound...Don't be afraid to experiment a bit to know what the suspension is doing. -Ride height is also critical with this platform... Slammed is not the optimum handling option for this car.. it will take some time to play with that too...again don't be afraid to experiment. -spring rates are a personal choice...but I will say the KW's are pretty good out of the box...I have tweeked the spring rates to my liking making the car handle better..but Know that the stock spring rates are adequate.. -Sway bars: I have not found a need to swap out sway bars with the KW's... I have upgraded the bushings and the endlinks...as well as the Rear subframe bushings..Less movement overall makes the car more predicatable.. thats my review in a nutshell ... I won't get into specifics on my settings, Alignment or my setup...I will give you general information... ...besides that my driving style might be alot different than yours..... I will say my car is setup to shave 10ths off not just seconds... I will be fighting for a championship next year so I am trying to get the car as comfortable as possible that is fast and instills the most confidence driving it.. one last thing...Car is setup to run with NO Traction Aids whatsoever...ALL OFF.. Thanks to Kartboy, Wheeldude, and Strano Performance for helping get the car competitive... Very Happy with end results... More stuff over the winter..to look forward too..and bring the car up to the next level.. Bill

10-06-2012, 11:49 AM	#984
Scooby South Subtly Outspoken Moderator Member#: 238 Join Date: Sep 1999 Chapter/Region: MWSOC Location: 2013 Limited SWP BRZ and a Vehicle: 99 Ver6 Recreation JDM Speedwagon 3 LSDs..:)	^^^ with that in mind, I only need the converter in the mid-pipe to be legal and don't need one in the Header? soo I can run a catless header with a hi-flo in the midpipe and be legal if thats what I am understanding. I know this rule was originally protested for a single Cat on a WRX. Thoughts??? thanks Bill

10-06-2012, 03:39 PM	#986
Scooby South Subtly Outspoken Moderator Member#: 238 Join Date: Sep 1999 Chapter/Region: MWSOC Location: 2013 Limited SWP BRZ and a Vehicle: 99 Ver6 Recreation JDM Speedwagon 3 LSDs..:)	thanks Max..

10-08-2012, 10:43 PM	#987
Scooby South Subtly Outspoken Moderator Member#: 238 Join Date: Sep 1999 Chapter/Region: MWSOC Location: 2013 Limited SWP BRZ and a Vehicle: 99 Ver6 Recreation JDM Speedwagon 3 LSDs..:)	Awesome action shot... full load, At Speed... not much roll there... Enjoy

10-09-2012, 11:23 PM	#988
silverhks Scooby Newbie Member#: 242402 Join Date: Mar 2010	^^^ Do I see air under the driver side rear? Your torsen is not going to doing much good like that...

10-10-2012, 01:05 PM	#993
dwx Scooby Guru Member#: 8343 Join Date: Jul 2001 Chapter/Region: MWSOC Location: Atlanta, GA Vehicle: 2005 2012 Jeep 2013 DGM BRZ	Heh disconnect the rear swaybar? Phil at Element Tuning ended up doing that for road courses, but his issues were more due to running up on inside curbing and whatnot. I haven't run into too many issues on corner exit on A6s with the stock suspension but I'm not racing on grippier concrete, it's non-grippy asphalt. I am putting a front bar on however because it could definitely be an issue on gripper surfaces, not to mention other reasons.

10-14-2012, 06:57 PM	#996
Scooby South Subtly Outspoken Moderator Member#: 238 Join Date: Sep 1999 Chapter/Region: MWSOC Location: 2013 Limited SWP BRZ and a Vehicle: 99 Ver6 Recreation JDM Speedwagon 3 LSDs..:)	Full load...No gap... .. I have more.. could have been a slight bump...

10-15-2012, 03:02 PM	#997
KC Scooby Guru Member#: 442 Join Date: Oct 1999 Chapter/Region: NESIC Location: SE Mass/RI Vehicle: 2013 Crosstrek XV 00 Honda S2000	Back tire is in the air. Stiffen the front. --kC

10-21-2012, 03:10 PM	#998
Scooby South Subtly Outspoken Moderator Member#: 238 Join Date: Sep 1999 Chapter/Region: MWSOC Location: 2013 Limited SWP BRZ and a Vehicle: 99 Ver6 Recreation JDM Speedwagon 3 LSDs..:)	Decided to virtual race for the weekend....much cheaper... Seriously...The Season is over for me for the year, but I will continue to 'build' over the winter... Bill

10-22-2012, 05:34 PM	#999
chanomatik NASIOC Supporter Member#: 159474 Join Date: Sep 2007 Chapter/Region: AKIC Location: East Anchorage (yuck!) Vehicle: 2013 BRZ Ltd 6MT CBS Counter-steer like a boss	A lot of pics from your older posts disappeared. Do you have the one that showed the brake discs? I think they were being compared. I'm positive it was your thread that showed them to be similar to 06/07 WRX... Or I'm just getting my info mixed up. Thanks!

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