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Old 06-18-2012, 07:44 AM   #2101
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i'll just add it to the stack of cranks to drop off for regrinding.
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Old 06-18-2012, 08:37 AM   #2102
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For those that don't know.I am getting married today !
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Old 06-18-2012, 10:18 AM   #2103
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No it isn't.. The Oatmeal comic was a comic- good guy vs bad guy, jokes, funny pics, easy read. The article you posted is some quarter pounder with douche from Forbes writing a stuffy article saying 'I'm more right' based on these facts to gain publicity from piggybacking a funny comic and missing the point.

http://theoatmeal.com/blog/tesla_response
So the oatmeal author admitted to knowingly writing down incorrect information just to make a lame joke? See his response to how Tesla's radar system was 'thwarted by the evil Edison in WWI'. The comic makes it seem like Edison was just a bad guy out to get Tesla. But in reality, Tesla's design sucked for the intended application. The oatmeal author actually admits to this in the link you posted...

Also, there is a bit of 'credit fallacy' going on here. In one instance, the oatmeal author doesn't give Edison credit in making light bulbs manufacturable because only the engineers he hired helped solve the problem. But then later on, Edison is given full credit for inventing the electric chair. Why weren't his engineers credited for this 'horrendous' act?

Also, he's calling out Edison because he tested his stuff on cats? Oh no, don't test on the cute little kittens. Test them on rats instead who aren't nearly as cute.

LOTS of scientists have died as a result of their research because they had the balls to venture into the unknown. The oatmeal author is taking what we know now and calling Edison an idiot because he didn't understand that Gamma rays were harmful? To even make such an ignorant statement discredits the entire comic for me.

But please feel free to go right ahead and believe everything you read on The Oatmeal comic website.
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Old 06-18-2012, 10:27 AM   #2104
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Congratulations Vern!

Jason, that is quite interesting. I'd love to see this in person sometime, so don't throw those bearings away. Were you low on oil? I've noticed oil temps go up a lot faster if the engine is 1quart low on oil. What were your oil pressures? If you add a higher flowing oil pump and don't actually push that oil through the bearings, it just ends up heating the oil unnecessarily. What were your oil pressures like?

An oil pressure gauge is probably THE most important gauge on a Subaru that's being beat on.
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Old 06-18-2012, 11:12 AM   #2105
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Old 06-18-2012, 12:28 PM   #2106
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shek, cmon it was a beater engine. it was free, i bottle honed it and slapped rings and bearings at it and it lasted 3 years. 3 yrs of abuse! i knew it had loose clearances so the big pump was good. and i added higher volume, not higher pressure and always kept it within a half quart or so of topped up. the scored up bores i just honed up burnt a bunch of oil near the end. HP=heat. it did make a bunch of it. i can safely say the highway and gearing did this beater in. new engine not so beater-ey. i mean, i'll probably even monitor oil pressure with more than an idiot light(which barely came on while cranking even, and it was a new sensor)!

and seriously, i did a biography on edison when i was in like 4th grade and came to the conclusion he was a dick. also. it's a comic. one of the mainstays of comedy is exaggeration.
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Old 06-18-2012, 02:42 PM   #2107
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I'd argue the engine in my WRX right now is much more beatery than the one in your wagon. Shortblock sat outside on your front porch for over 1.5 years and even had time to develop rust spots inside the cylinder. Mix-matched rings have been previously used for many thousands of miles and cobbled together from whatever I had laying around for a 92.5mm bore. Used connecting rods and original pistons. New crankshaft and bearings. Same oil pan and oil cooler that has experienced no less than four separate instances of rod bearing failure.

This engine is making significantly more power per liter than yours and it revs to 8000RPM at least 3-4 times everytime I drive it which is everyday in the winter and about once a week in the summer. Engine was last assembled over 2 years ago where a 15 mile break-in period was strictly adhered to.

Yep, it's the same ej205 the car originally came with back in 2003.

Also, there is a significant difference between exaggeration and a blatant lie.
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Old 06-18-2012, 03:20 PM   #2108
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yeah but you dont spend hours at 4500rpm(and often much higher) with no load anytime you head out on the highway, and bores weren't scored. just having an oil cooler is miles above and beyond. bursts of power and accel don't do this to bearings. high rpm under load, doesn't fail bearings like this. it's stupid cruise. and 2.0 has a better rod ratio than 2.5, so less extreme accelerations. you can't just cherrypick similarities, cause there aren't many. power per liter means exactly what here? etc. if you're trying to tell my that my engine sucks, i'd have to disagree and say it definitely did it's bit. that block has ~180k miles on stock block, crank, rods and pistons, with no machine work. and it's from 05 so that's a bit more than once a week in the summer and all winter.

i'm just sharing how my engine failed(non catastrophically i might add) root cause was using a rod that had a bearign failure and was thought to be ok, but really should have been resized, 'cause as you can see it failed from excessive clearance and RPM.

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http://catalog.mahleclevite.com/bearing/

go straight to #19.
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Old 06-18-2012, 04:28 PM   #2109
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Old 06-18-2012, 04:59 PM   #2110
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I was just saying my engine is more beatery than yours was. Only reason I mentioned power is because you said how yours was making "HP=heat. it did make a bunch of it". which compared to mine, really wasn't. Not sure why you would even mention that in your post since you claim this had nothing to do with power. If you were just boasting, then my bad. I thought you meant to say it like it affected the root cause.

I cruise at 4000RPM. Didn't think 500RPM more would put that much more stress on the engine. Interesting stuff. That Mahle link is great. # 19 describes your conditions perfectly. I guess high rpm unloaded means the piston experiences that jerk at TDC more often than a loaded engine that has less of a jerk due to the resistance to compression at TDC during the compression stroke and the ****ty exhaust head flow during the exhaust stroke.

So you measured the bearing clearance and it was around .003" for that previously failed rod? Can't really blame it on the rod then. But you can blame it on the resulting imbalance in oil feed. Remember one of our experimental engines from a couple of years ago? If all 4 rods were like that, I think the situation would be slightly better provided the oil pump flowed enough to not cause a oil pressure loss.

Yeah, I don't know how many times I've driven mine, but the engine has 10,000 miles on it I think. Maybe 15.
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Old 06-18-2012, 05:17 PM   #2111
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Anyone know anywhere locally to get some redline heavyweight shock proof?
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Old 06-18-2012, 05:18 PM   #2112
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Comparing your picture to that Mahle link, I would think the picture they show for # 13 matches the one you took a lot better. Hot short? Which can be an effect of # 12 which can be due to # 16, possible cause # 8?
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Old 06-18-2012, 05:20 PM   #2113
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no, the cavitation happened first and the debris did some wiping, and then the reduced bearing area overheated causing the hot short and more cavitation. remember, it didnt' sound too bad, and the overall clearances weren't too bad either on teardown. that shell was deformed when the crush was removed, but there was no discernable radial play on that rod vs the others, and the crank looks fine. it just.. it sounded like it was getting worse to me so i stopped driving it. it had been making that noise i thought was a loose bracket for months.

all the rods were all loose when i put it together, prev#3 a bit more so, so i swapped them around till they were all about the same iirc.

and damn, i had something else in my head when i was going on that, deleted most of it and i guess thats what was left. it wasn't about HP and heat it was about compression ratio and higher vacuum putting more load on the piston/rod at RPM with light load.

i also ordered a bag of 100 hex head countersunk screws for the oil pump covers and rear block covers. i friggin HATE those stupid philips head ones.
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Old 06-18-2012, 05:45 PM   #2114
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Nowski: congrats !!
Jason: No room for full band, no energy for K wood Sunday so we are going tomorrow and yeah, we both have our netbooks LOL.
Shek: thanks and wow on getting that much high rpm use out of a cobbled together engine.

So, off to see Prometheus and dinner at Bravo's.

Peace awt yinz guys.
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Old 06-18-2012, 06:03 PM   #2115
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Which would make a better touring ride? V8 CTS or V8 Lincoln LS. I've been looking at RWD V8's and just wonder. I know neither is particularly large, neither is particularly plush for a luxury car but the Lincoln is cheap for what you get. Havent priced the CTS but I'd imagine it's a little more. Talking around 2005 vintage. Any other ideas besides Mercedes/BMW? They are both too much for a car with similar size.

I'm just daydreaming. Probably will never have either. Been feeling a good bit of nostalgia lately for my Mark VII that I used to have. Think the Mark VIII is a bit too old to bother. Plus a lot of them have gotten the Walmart chrome treatment by now. Just not feeling the small car getting only 22 mpg so much. A nice comfy V8 drives so nice and would probably roll 20 mpg on my commute.
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Old 06-18-2012, 06:17 PM   #2116
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Pontiac G8 with Konis? E46 M3 is $15K. Not a V8 but 340hp ain't too shabby.

I'm not saying I disagree with you but I'm not convinced that's what you are saying is what caused it. Maybe I don't understand it well enough but I think because you drove on it for that long, it will be nearly impossible to confidently say what happend first. What you say certainly is plausible and what I'm saying I think is also plausible. But don't think I can confidently say one or the other. Maybe I'm missing something that can be cleared up over a few beers.

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Old 06-18-2012, 06:22 PM   #2117
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Yeah but it's not really roomier than my car. For reference, the 05 Lincoln LS V8 can be had for 5-8K. Probably 4-6K at auction. That's really what got me thinking.. G8 is fairly rare isn't it? I don't see many. No clue how much value they lost when GM axed the brand.
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Old 06-18-2012, 07:37 PM   #2118
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Jessie get an old police cruiser. V8 goodnes.
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Old 06-18-2012, 07:45 PM   #2119
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Jessie get an old police cruiser. V8 goodnes.
I do really dig the panther cars but a cruiser is way less plush than a basic Subaru and a pretty significant drop from my saabaru even. The things I loved about my old Lincoln were the plush bucket seats that held you in like a Papasan chair, with power adjustments, the auto headlights (turned on as well as dropped to lowbeams automatically when a car approached), RWD with LSD in wintertime, huge trunk that fit more than my wagon, and still got almost 20mpg. And the air suspension. That needed work when I got it, but once the pieces were replaced as needed, damn what a ride. Firm but comfy. Could set the ride height with a screw driver.

Just thinking about it... Probably not moving the saabaru anytime soon.
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Old 06-19-2012, 09:20 AM   #2121
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Jesse, OG CTSv has 400 chp and gobs of tq. Not a ton of dough either. The suspension can be modded as well. Can't nor should the magnetic ride be touched on the newer ones. 400 chp is plenty.

I drove an LSC for an entire summer. Mustang GT power train and Lincoln air ride. I loved it.
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I drove an LSC for an entire summer. Mustang GT power train and Lincoln air ride. I loved it.
that's what I owned. Traded it in on my bugeye with my integra. They were both shot though.
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Whatever you do... Don't get a Mark VIII, half the car is discontinued

My vote says 1st gen CTSV... But those six lug wheels are weird.

LSC is interesting, but the air ride... Murr.
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LSC is interesting, but the air ride... Murr.
that's the best part. Lots of aftermarket replacement parts, and really only 4 simple components. Air bags, height sensors, lines, and a compressor. It's easy to service and no more expensive than new shocks or struts to fix.

I had to get rid of mine because of a mysterious battery drain when it was parked. I wasn't about to try and look for a short or whatever in a 1988 American luxury car.
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How much does Subaru charge to do a rear wheel bearing on a GD? Or does someone local want to take on this job for some bucks? Ryan, you think Johnny 50cal would want to get into this?
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