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Old 02-24-2012, 09:57 PM   #1
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Ok so I have previoulsy stated that I have a 01 rs 2.5 with a 95 jdm sti motor. What I am looking to do is low to mid 11 sec 1/4 mile time. I am looking to start with a fmic. But I can't do everything at once. So basically what is the best way to go. Was thinking about starting with the fmic and a cold air intake. Any ideas or tips?
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Old 02-25-2012, 12:05 AM   #2
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so you have the STI motor, thus you have the silver slanted STi TMIC correct?
Thats going to be just as sufficient as a FMIC for the power you are going to be limited to with a stock turbo, stock internals, stock transmission, etc.

You gotta revamp your whole build if you want mid 11 seconds my friend. You're on the wrong engine platform with the EJ20G.
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Old 02-25-2012, 12:09 AM   #3
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You gotta revamp your whole build if you want mid 11 seconds my friend. You're on the wrong engine platform with the EJ20G.
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Old 02-25-2012, 12:51 AM   #4
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so you have the STI motor, thus you have the silver slanted STi TMIC correct?
Thats going to be just as sufficient as a FMIC for the power you are going to be limited to with a stock turbo, stock internals, stock transmission, etc.

You gotta revamp your whole build if you want mid 11 seconds my friend. You're on the wrong engine platform with the EJ20G.
Yes the tmic is the slanted one. I was told that this engine is very limited by the tmic also by the air intake. The person that told me works at cobb tunning. He used to build rally cars with the same engine. Socan you tell me why I shouldn't use this motor so I can talk with him about it also. Thanks for the info fellas.
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Old 02-25-2012, 01:24 AM   #5
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The EJ20G simply just won't put out the power you want with factory internals to run a mid 11 second pass.
You're going to need a different turbo, as your factory TD05 is going to max out at 18-19 PSI. Thus a new down pipe needed, new tuning option so a new ECU, new internals, new transmission to hold the power since the AA transmission is going to be no where close to sufficient so already you're looking into the following:

New Turbo set up including down pipe/intercooler
New ECU/Tuning
Bigger Injectors/Bigger Fuel Pump
New Internals thus complete engine build.
STi 6 speed


Honestly for the price you're looking at in doing that you are better off finding a USDM STi front clip and just swapping in that motor into your car and selling off your EJ20G.

Don't get me wrong, I love my Version II STi, it has never let me down. You just have to realize there is a big difference between rally racing, and shooting for an 11 second pass at a drag strip. Intercooler & intake is the least of your worries.
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Old 02-25-2012, 07:25 AM   #6
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The EJ20G simply just won't put out the power you want with factory internals to run a mid 11 second pass.
You're going to need a different turbo, as your factory TD05 is going to max out at 18-19 PSI. Thus a new down pipe needed, new tuning option so a new ECU, new internals, new transmission to hold the power since the AA transmission is going to be no where close to sufficient so already you're looking into the following:

New Turbo set up including down pipe/intercooler
New ECU/Tuning
Bigger Injectors/Bigger Fuel Pump
New Internals thus complete engine build.
STi 6 speed

Honestly for the price you're looking at in doing that you are better off finding a USDM STi front clip and just swapping in that motor into your car and selling off your EJ20G.

Don't get me wrong, I love my Version II STi, it has never let me down. You just have to realize there is a big difference between rally racing, and shooting for an 11 second pass at a drag strip. Intercooler & intake is the least of your worries.
What do you think one of these motors will go for? Mine just hit 50,000
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Old 02-25-2012, 05:48 PM   #7
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What's your reasoning behind wanting a mid 11 second car?
Do a Rob 550 tune with your EJ20G, it will give you ~300whp and will be mid 12's. More than you will need, and just try enjoying your car first off.
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Old 02-26-2012, 07:46 AM   #8
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What's your reasoning behind wanting a mid 11 second car?
Do a Rob 550 tune with your EJ20G, it will give you ~300whp and will be mid 12's. More than you will need, and just try enjoying your car first off.
My reason for wanting an 11 second car is pretty much for fun. Also to make this rare car more rare. Would really like to keep the same motor because of the rarity. Even if it means stiping some uneeded parts off. I'm already planning on loosing some weight with a 22b carbon fiber body kit. I do enjoy my car everytime I turn the key and hit the pedals. But I'm not just wanting a 1/4 mile car. I'm also wanting to get into some road course racing. Has always been a dream of mine. I do know about the 550 tune. Just don't feel that I would be satisfied with it.
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Old 02-26-2012, 09:47 AM   #9
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IMO If you actually do intend on doing all you have planned, a 6 speed is not the correct rout. You will be far better off with a built 5 speed, PPG,Kazaa,M-factory
The 6 six speed is 80+ lbs more than the 5 speed and the ratios are too short/close for track. With higher HP you end up launching in 2nd and trapping in 5th.
Also a 5 speed will be far better suited for Auto-x then the 6
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Old 02-26-2012, 10:30 AM   #10
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i have a 20g in my 00rs and i have the sti ra close gear ratio gear set shot pinned and chrofreezed sp? along with fidanza flywheel and spec stage 2 clutch with kartboy shortshifter and i love it...such a good combo for track use...i have an extra power fc unit im about to put up for sale if u want to grab it...its brand new in box with the handheld
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Old 02-26-2012, 02:07 PM   #11
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i have a 20g in my 00rs and i have the sti ra close gear ratio gear set shot pinned and chrofreezed sp? along with fidanza flywheel and spec stage 2 clutch with kartboy shortshifter and i love it...such a good combo for track use...i have an extra power fc unit im about to put up for sale if u want to grab it...its brand new in box with the handheld
Don't knock me but what is a fc unit?
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Old 02-26-2012, 03:10 PM   #12
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Don't knock me but what is a fc unit?
Apexi power FC. It's an aftermarket plug and play ecu. It's kinda old school, doesn't have knock control and tuning is a bit tedious, but they work. I don't use them.

Put 11's out of your head with a stock engine and trans EJ20G. You'll blow it up trying. All you'll get is heartache from broken pistons, rods and gears.

Mid 12's is more like it. It's plenty fun in a street car and you won't break anything. That's where mine is with the EJ20G and I'm satisfied.

The $200 ebay FMIC kits work fine at this power level and fit mostly ok.
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Old 02-27-2012, 08:30 AM   #13
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Apexi power FC. It's an aftermarket plug and play ecu. It's kinda old school, doesn't have knock control and tuning is a bit tedious, but they work. I don't use them.

Put 11's out of your head with a stock engine and trans EJ20G. You'll blow it up trying. All you'll get is heartache from broken pistons, rods and gears.

Mid 12's is more like it. It's plenty fun in a street car and you won't break anything. That's where mine is with the EJ20G and I'm satisfied.

The $200 ebay FMIC kits work fine at this power level and fit mostly ok.
Pretty much what he said and its hard to find standalones in general for that motor and mine was built to be a track car only thing left i need is bigger injectors built bottom end and a tune and i may be selling the whole car soon due to my baby boy my wife just had but if you want the fc its brand new in the box with the handheld for $700 shipped

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if you look in the uk, you can snatch a pfc for a G (they call it four plug) for ~350 USD

I plan to hit 11.999 this year on a stock longblock on ethanol. Helps being a Techie.
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if you look in the uk, you can snatch a pfc for a G (they call it four plug) for ~350 USD

I plan to hit 11.999 this year on a stock longblock on ethanol. Helps being a Techie.
What is a pfc?
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Old 02-28-2012, 09:40 PM   #16
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What is a pfc?
for the second time, its the Apexi PowerFC. other names are "FC", "PFC", "Power Commander", etc
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for the second time, its the Apexi PowerFC. other names are "FC", "PFC", "Power Commander", etc
Lmao easy killer
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