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Old 02-25-2012, 08:40 PM   #1
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Old 02-25-2012, 09:18 PM   #2
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Yeah, we only get the blue filters for the EJ motors. They're um, well, <opinion withheld>.

The Tokyo Roki filters are much better quality.
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Old 02-25-2012, 10:09 PM   #3
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And when you post proof that they are far superior via SAE testing or other outside source, send me a PM with your paypal information and I'll send you 20 pounds. I'm waiting.
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Old 02-26-2012, 02:20 AM   #4
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And when you post proof that they are far superior via SAE testing or other outside source, send me a PM with your paypal information and I'll send you 20 pounds. I'm waiting.
+1 Doesn't Nasioc have vendor rules for things like this?
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Old 02-26-2012, 04:17 AM   #5
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[quote=Unabomber;36473764]And when you post proof that they are far superior via SAE testing or other outside source, send me a PM with your paypal information and I'll send you 20 pounds. I'm waiting.


Is that better

Out of interest a friend did cut open a blue/black/and pink filter and said there was a huge difference between them,but this was just his own test.
I was just throwing up the fact black filters are available guys
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Old 02-26-2012, 08:58 AM   #6
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Know two things:

We still can get the blacks as they are actually lawn mower oil filters.
You can tell ZERO by opening up an oil filter and using the visual as a comparison.
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Old 02-26-2012, 09:50 AM   #7
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welllll.....................i was there when a guy who usta post a lot here but got pissed off and left.....opened each of the filters up on his bench at the dealership

it was glaringly apparent which one was the better quality filter....materials and construction wise

and it is theorized that the blue filter is made for a 3750 mile OCI and NO MORE...and thus is made more cheaply than the black ones

but what do i know about these kind of things, anyway.....
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Old 02-26-2012, 10:04 AM   #8
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The blue oil filters have fiber end caps to the filter media. The black ones have metal. The blue filters have essentially no seal between the pressure relief valve and the fiber end cap. The black ones have the pressure relief valve integrated into the metal end cap.

Do you want more?


Ron I know you're just trolling for proof, but it's plainly obvious to anyone who has actually cut the filters apart and looked.

I have. The blue filter has a slightly higher pleat count than a "Champ" cheapo filter, but the pressure relief was of similar construction and the Champ actually had metal ends on the media.

Having seen the construction, I'll never run the blue filter on any car I care about.
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Old 02-26-2012, 12:57 PM   #9
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Opening it up and judging it by appearance doesn't mean squat. I'm tired of people bitching about the blue filters being inferior to the black filters. How does its appearance correlate to actual filtering performance? I want to see comparisons, graphs, 100k mile blue vs black filter...oh wait...I'll just shut up now
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Old 02-26-2012, 01:36 PM   #10
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The blue oil filters have fiber end caps to the filter media. The black ones have metal. The blue filters have essentially no seal between the pressure relief valve and the fiber end cap. The black ones have the pressure relief valve integrated into the metal end cap.

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Ron I know you're just trolling for proof, but it's plainly obvious to anyone who has actually cut the filters apart and looked.

I have. The blue filter has a slightly higher pleat count than a "Champ" cheapo filter, but the pressure relief was of similar construction and the Champ actually had metal ends on the media.

Having seen the construction, I'll never run the blue filter on any car I care about.
You can look at all of the cut open filters that you want but it doesn't tell you anything about filtering performance or how the oil filter will hold up. While it's not a scientific test by any means, running two oil intervals each on two different oil filters and performing a used oil analysis will tell you more than looking at a filter.

I've been running the blue Honeywell's on three Subaru's for 6-8k miles since day one. The only time that I had a problem is when I DIDN'T run the OEM oil filter.

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Old 02-26-2012, 01:58 PM   #11
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On their website they list for 11.66 pounds - so around $18.50 each - and that's without shipping! That's a bit on the spendy side for an oil filter...

As far as the construction issues with the blue filters - a number of manufacturers have been using the cardboard ends for quite some time without a whole lot of drama - sure, the metal should outlast them, but if the paper gets the job done, the added benefit of the metal parts is lost.

There are a few tests out there where folks tried to quantify filter performance (not with the Subaru filters, specifically, though) - this ones interesting -
http://www.gmtruckcentral.com/articl...lterstudy.html

I seem to remember a study out there looking at the pressure drop across the filter, too, but can't find it - would be nice to see a review that looked at pressure drop vs. flow of a filter which has some debris in it, filtering efficiency, and bypass valve release pressure - the first and last are important as if the filter is wonderful at pulling out contamination, but plugs/gets too resistive to flow and has a low bypass valve release pressure, it's going to be bypassed rather than filtering the oil...
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Old 02-26-2012, 02:16 PM   #12
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While I do miss the Tokyo Roki's I wouldn't spend more than $10 on a filter now. As long as I'm maintaining a regular change interval with the oil I'm using, I'm happy.
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Old 02-26-2012, 04:39 PM   #13
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welllll.....................i was there when a guy who usta post a lot here but got pissed off and left.....opened each of the filters up on his bench at the dealership

it was glaringly apparent which one was the better quality filter....materials and construction wise

and it is theorized that the blue filter is made for a 3750 mile OCI and NO MORE...and thus is made more cheaply than the black ones

but what do i know about these kind of things, anyway.....
I'm going to have to disagree. I've run 7k+ OCI's and cut open two blues already. Both looked perfect inside.
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Old 02-26-2012, 04:52 PM   #14
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I'm going to have to disagree. I've run 7k+ OCI's and cut open two blues already. Both looked perfect inside.
you do 7k oci with a turbo subaru? even subaru says no more than 3750 for turbocharged engines. good luck.
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Old 02-26-2012, 05:00 PM   #15
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you do 7k oci with a turbo subaru? even subaru says no more than 3750 for turbocharged engines. good luck.
That's right, back up by UOA. Not all oils are created equal, my friend. Subaru no longer holds ALL turbo Subies to 3,750. Good luck looking that up.
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I'm going to have to disagree. I've run 7k+ OCI's and cut open two blues already. Both looked perfect inside.
and you did a microscopic analysis of the filter media to prove that they were, indeed, 'ok'???

that is the only way you could know


and there is no way in hell i'd use one past 4k anyway....they arent very good filters.....no
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That's right, back up by UOA. Not all oils are created equal, my friend. Subaru no longer holds ALL turbo Subies to 3,750. Good luck looking that up.
the oil can test fine and the filter can still be garbage...or didnt you know that??
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Old 02-26-2012, 05:28 PM   #18
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the oil can test fine and the filter can still be garbage...or didnt you know that??
I cut the filters open and played with their innards...or didn't you know that?? I like this game
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Old 02-26-2012, 06:04 PM   #19
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I went back to the 6 cyl filter for my 03 wrx. The dealership had that in the Tokyo Roki. Who made the larger white filter(same size as for the 6 cyl) that Subaru used to sell?
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Purolator used to make the OE filter for the EJs, not sure if that's the white filter you're talking about.


While cardboard end caps may be perfectly fine, I'd rather spend a buck or two more and get a more substantial, higher quality filter.

Heck, I know there are plenty of guys out there using rolls of toilet paper to filter their oil with great success, but that doesn't mean I'm going to do it.

Your local dealer should have 3 different black oil filters now - 2 of them are meant to be installed upside down on the FB motors, make sure you don't get one of those.

While extremely rare, we've installed a few blue filters that were defective. I don't like or trust them.

Granted, this is a comparison of Mopar-spec filters done some time back, but look at the construction differences between the Fram filters and the Purolator filters. Look at their graph of filtering surface area - the Purolator PureOne filter had 400 square inches of filtering area, whereas the Fram filters ranged from 193-248 square inches.

http://minimopar.knizefamily.net/oil...reference.html

More surface area is better, right?
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I'll take gathermewool's uoa's by one of the top tribologists in the country over any oil filter "study". He spotted that there where problems with the '08/'09 turbos well before the stop sale. Heck, I'll even take a $30 Blackstone uoa that shows insolubles over the "inspection" of a filter.

http://www.blackstone-labs.com/what-are-insolubles.php

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=2238924

Anyone have any uoa's with high insolubles on an OEM filter?

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Is there a uoa showing that water doesn't lubricate properly? If there's no proof, you might as well go with it, right? I mean, clearly just inspecting it isn't proof enough.
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Is there a uoa showing that water doesn't lubricate properly? If there's no proof, you might as well go with it, right? I mean, clearly just inspecting it isn't proof enough.
como?
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I cut the filters open and played with their innards...or didn't you know that?? I like this game
keep doin what you think is all k00 and ****.....I know better
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Old 02-28-2012, 12:02 PM   #25
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Not sure if anyone else has noticed this, but awhile back I bought a case a of the blue OEM filters. My car never consumed oil before, but during the time period of 4 oil changes with the blue filters, my car ate 1QT each of my 5k mile intervals. I did 2 oil analysis while on the blue filters and they were fine.

I switched to the pureone PL14460 last couple of times, and no more oil consumption
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