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Old 11-02-2012, 03:52 PM   #151
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It's still a differential. It just has an integrated viscous coupler for limited slip.
CVT's don't have the viscous coupler, so two differentials, and a viscous coupler if you have a 5 speed.
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Old 11-02-2012, 03:54 PM   #152
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You're welcome, Zeeper.
all props to you, this thread should be closed by the moderators as off topic, as it has nothing to do with the warranty and everything to do with people arguing about the same crap that has been hashed and rehashed over in the first thread to discuss this topic (and where I stole your link )

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Old 11-02-2012, 04:01 PM   #153
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all props to you, this thread should be closed by the moderators as off topic, as it has nothing to do with the warranty and everything to do with people arguing about the same crap that has been hashed and rehashed over in the first thread to discuss this topic (and where I stole your link )

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It's all good.

As I mentioned in the other thread, I'm not worried (yet) about the fuel consumption, because it's still relatively early on in my ownership of this vehicle, and also primarily because I'm mindful of the craptastic city traffic I deal with every day - so the figures don't come as a shocking surprise to me.

Once I take it out for a real roadtrip, that's when I'll start to do some fuel consumption figure correlations. In the meantime, as long as it's not horrid (for example, 15 l/100km or worse), then I won't worry too much about it.
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Old 11-02-2012, 04:12 PM   #154
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Just don't throw a fit if it goes down as it gets colder outside, with winter fuel blends. This is to be expected.

It will go up a bit in the spring, and when you do get out of town it will really shine (and your dash will show 36-40mpgs on the highway, which is impressive).

My car yields about 5mpg more than my wifes Nissan Rogue in the same driving conditions.

Her car is nice, it has a CVT and fairly decent power, and I like driving it, but I love my Subaru more. FYI Interior volume is not much higher in her car than in mine, for passengers it is about the same.
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Old 11-02-2012, 04:23 PM   #155
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I'm also suspicious of the fact that fuel consumption figures may be poorer than expected because they've blended ethanol in the fuel here. My '01 Integra (may it rest in peace ) was giving me good fuel consumption numbers (easily 8 l/100km or less / 29.4+ MPG) until right around the time the provincial government here wrote a "minimum ethanol requirement for regular gasoline" into law. That's when my fuel consumption figures went to **** with my previously fuel-sipping 'tegger (up to 10.5 l/100km / down to 22.4 MPG).
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Old 11-03-2012, 10:10 AM   #156
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What gets me is how the defenders of the Subaru mpg claims are not very good at math. They continue to claim the numbers quoted are "in the range" but "just at the lower end". Then they claim Consumer Reports calls the Impreza a "best buy". Well, Consumer Reports does their own mpg testing - they don't just let the manufacturers claim whatever.

I posted this before based here, but the Subaru defenders just kind of glossed over it. This is not just anecdotal evidence - it compares independent testing with corporate testing of their own product:

"Thanks for the idea. I checked Consumer Reports. They do their own mpg testing. I compared all 5 imports that got 27 mpg combined in their tests. That would be the Impreza 27/36, the Toyota Matrix 21/29, Volkswagen GTI 21/31, Kia Forte 22/32, and Volkswagen Jetta 22/33.

Compared to the average of the other 4, the Impreza's ratings of 27/36 were *inflated* by over 25% city, and over 15% highway."

EPA investigated Hyundai and Kia based on "a dozen complaints". Maybe we should be complaining to them and the consumer watching group, because I think this *is* a "warranty issue" since the car doesn't perform as advertised, and I think they owe us some gasoline.

Meanwhile Zeeper, maybe you should go back to school and take some math classes...

We can complain to these people:
http://www.consumerwatchdog.org/node/add/complaint
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http://www.epa.gov/otaq/oms-cmt.htm
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Old 11-03-2012, 10:53 AM   #157
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Good luck with your warranty complaint. You are barking at the moon.

Consumer Reports "Subaru's small car is well-rounded, with a roomy interior and compliant ride. Fuel economy is impressive given the standard all-wheel-drive. It's available both as a sedan or hatchback. It's Consumer Reports 2012 Top Pick small car"


I see/hear no mention of failure to meet or exceed expected MPG's. Consumer Reports had a second chance to point out problems with the new Impreza last week, but instead they only named it among the most reliable cars of 2012:

http://money.cnn.com/gallery/autos/2...le-cars/5.html

I guess we see what we want to see. I look at the EPA sticker and it shows the City Range as 20-30mpg, and I look at the number provided by you, and it is within that range. I guess that we will both have to agree I am bad a math.

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Old 11-03-2012, 03:16 PM   #158
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I guess we see what we want to see. I look at the EPA sticker and it shows the City Range as 20-30mpg, and I look at the number provided by you, and it is within that range. I guess that we will both have to agree I am bad a math.
We do indeed see what we want to see, even if it's not there. When did I provide a city mpg number?

Things are clearing up more now...
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Old 11-03-2012, 04:19 PM   #159
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The bad news is that the average speed was between 70 and 75 mph, and the actual mileage was 26.7 mpg.

Looks like Subaru optimized the engine and gearing to maximize mpg during the EPA test cycle, and ignored reality...
Ok, these are some of your past figures. Not City, just Highway. Wow, you win the internet!

You drive faster than the speed limit, much faster than the car is tested using the EPA certified testing, and expect to meet or exceed the EPA numbers, so you blame Subaru for misleading you, because your other car, brand-X, is better, blah, blah, blah.

We get it, file a case with the EPA, when they are done laughing at you, let us know how it turned out.

P.S. Check the Window Sticker that came with your car, what is the range shown under the bold HWY number.

Mine reads "Expected Range for most drivers 27 to 39 MPG", but yours may show a slightly higher range (It's just a guess that you bought the CVT).

That language is is printed right above the following:

"Your actual mileage will vary depending upon how you drive and maintain your vehicle."

Very appropriate disclaimer, in your specific case, I underlined the part that applies to you.

I've spend enough time with you, I look forward to your posting the results of your crusade. Please fill us in when you hear back from the EPA and or SOA.

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Old 11-03-2012, 04:46 PM   #160
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Ok, these are some of your past figures. Not City, just Highway. Wow, you win the internet!

I've spend enough time with you, I look forward to your posting the results of your crusade. Please fill us in when you hear back from the EPA and or SOA.
No, I just proved your memory is faulty. Apparently you lump everyone who disagrees with you into one pot that you label "wrong". On top of that, I doubt I would be so lucky to not have to listen to your weak, irrational, and repetitive arguments against my facts.

I'm sure there will be someone else you will be able to throw your irrelevancies at here though.
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Old 11-03-2012, 06:35 PM   #161
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K guys, speaking for the other spectators you can debate without personally attacking each other. You are debating ie stick to topic, remove the personal attacks this is not attack on zeeper day. state your valid points and counter points and keep it civil no need to lower yourself to a level you rather not be on.

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Old 11-03-2012, 08:50 PM   #162
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Yeah, sorry aeoporta. The problem I have is the untruths and half truths told here. I gave him strike 4, and I still have not replied in kind to his personal attacks. His claims:
The EPA certifies the tests (sorry, it does not. The emblem on the sticker doesn't mean the EPA certifies the numbers). The window sticker gives no mpg's for the vehicle other than 27/36 and 30 combined. "Bold Print" is not as claimed - no "expected range" on mine (which I am looking at here).

Can't compare it with others of the same range (yes you can, that's the whole purpose of it).

People seeing 20 mpg were not mislead. (as I said, mine only says 27/36 and 30 combined).

The window sticker is accurate for this car (not).

In any case, this is not a warranty issue (sorry, but it's false advertising, well within warranty considerations.)

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Not all cars are tested by the EPA, but the EPA does certify the tests. Subaru is not gaming the system.

This is from my window sticker, your window sticker was either on the car or given to you when you picked it up.

Bold print is directly quoted off the sticker (5 speed Sport has the lowest Fuel Economy of all of the 2012 Impreza vehicles):

CITY MPG 25 Expected Range for most drivers 20 to 30 MPG

HIGHWAY MPG 33 Expected Range for most drivers 27 to 39 MPG

Combined Fuel Economy This Vehicle 28

Now I can compare that to the window sticker on a 2012 Hyundai Elantra, but it does not tell me anything about what I should expect from my Subaru.

People seeing 20mpg aren't pleased, but they were not misled. It's on the sticker, as mandated by the EPA, so that you won't be misled.

The window sticker is accurate for this car.

In any case, this is not a warranty issue.
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Old 11-03-2012, 09:54 PM   #163
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Yeah, sorry aeoporta. The problem I have is the untruths and half truths told here. I gave him strike 4, and I still have not replied in kind to his personal attacks. His claims:
The EPA certifies the tests (sorry, it does not. The emblem on the sticker doesn't mean the EPA certifies the numbers). The window sticker gives no mpg's for the vehicle other than 27/36 and 30 combined. "Bold Print" is not as claimed - no "expected range" on mine (which I am looking at here).

Can't compare it with others of the same range (yes you can, that's the whole purpose of it).

People seeing 20 mpg were not mislead. (as I said, mine only says 27/36 and 30 combined).

The window sticker is accurate for this car (not).

In any case, this is not a warranty issue (sorry, but it's false advertising, well within warranty considerations.)
The difference is you are looking at the new 2013 EPA sticker. Take a pic for us, here is a generic sample of the new EPA sticker, optional on 2013's:

http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/Find.do?action=bt1

Mine came with this sticker (the previous version of the EPA sticker):



It's the same exact car (except mine is a 5 spd sport and yours is a CVT), I guess if they had put the older version of the sticker on your car you would be less disappointed.

So the problem is that the EPA, in making a change to highlight the Combined Fuel Economy on the new sticker, removed most of the language that explains to buyers that how you drive the car will affect your mileage expected MPG's (it is still there, in the fine print at the bottom).

I can see the reason for your complaint. I encourage you to write to the EPA, I think they will ignore you, but write to them anyway.

Will you get money for gas? No.

Maybe if enough consumers write to the EPA claiming they were GUARANTEED the numbers on the sticker, no matter how they drive it, the EPA will go back to using the language from the previous sticker on the new sticker, language that tells you more clearly what to expect (both a bottom and top range depending upon how you drive).

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Old 11-04-2012, 01:52 AM   #164
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This thread is a riot! Thanks for the laughs
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Old 11-04-2012, 07:25 AM   #165
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Not that I care, knock yourself out trying to get the EPA to side with you, don't forget to tell them your average speed at which you expect to see 36mpg+ so they can write you off immediately as not worth their time.
It's well below the speed limit. Your memory is failing again...
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Old 11-04-2012, 08:03 AM   #166
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Zeeper, just because you post a lot of trash doen't mean you are "we". You are like a broken record off in LALA land.

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Old 11-04-2012, 09:08 AM   #167
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If the car said 33 highway, I would have believed it and still bought the car, but I still think the EPA used cars with smaller 15" wheels and tires, rather than the more common 17".

The claim of 36 is completely unrealistic after owning the car since March. Unless your state is flat and the speed limit is 55, I'd hate to see how adverse the 70-75 mph limits are in the Southwest.
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I would not have purchased it. I already have a 4wheel drive vehicle and the reason for the purchase was to match the economy of my Corolla but have an all wheel drive option. The Corolla is rated the same (36 highway) but gets (just checked yesterday) an average highway mpg that is over 10 mpg better. (13 better at 50 and 8 better at 80). The Corolla gets its rated mpg at 80 mpg.

Freeway speed limits for hundreds of miles around here are 75, more and more limits are going to 80, and there is even a stretch in Texas that is 85. Unless you drive like my Grandma (figuratively) you'll never see the advertised 36.
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I have a 2012 impreza sport 5 speed. I have over 3000 miles on the car and am averaging 29.7 MPG. I am by no means a light footed driver, in fact most of my driving is in town but when I am on the highway I do 75 to 80. Even at these speeds on the highway I've gotten up to an average of 36 MPG. I have no complaints about the MPG of my car, in fact it has surpassed what I was expecting
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I have a 2012 impreza sport 5 speed. I have over 3000 miles on the car and am averaging 29.7 MPG. I am by no means a light footed driver, in fact most of my driving is in town but when I am on the highway I do 75 to 80. Even at these speeds on the highway I've gotten up to an average of 36 MPG. I have no complaints about the MPG of my car, in fact it has surpassed what I was expecting
Sounds pretty similar to what a lot of 5spd drivers are experiencing, including myself.

Although your 36 on the highway was probably behind traffic, or with a good tailwind, which I have also experienced
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I have a 2012 impreza sport 5 speed. I have over 3000 miles on the car and am averaging 29.7 MPG. I am by no means a light footed driver, in fact most of my driving is in town but when I am on the highway I do 75 to 80. Even at these speeds on the highway I've gotten up to an average of 36 MPG. I have no complaints about the MPG of my car, in fact it has surpassed what I was expecting

WOW......I drive 65-70MPH and get 31 to 33MPG with the CVT auto 2012 Impreza Sport Permium 5 door. I also drive like a little old lady around town and best is 25MPG. Maybe I need to put my foot to the floor and I will get better MPG? Have just over 5,000 miles.
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My 2012 Sport pzev is averaging 28 mpg. When my wife drives her 9 miles roundtrip, she gets 23mpg.

My mileage isn't horrible, until you factor in a) 75% of those miles are interstate highway at low traffic times, and b) I drive slower than most grannies solely because I value good mileage.

The Nissan Versa S HB 6 speed I just sold was rated 27 cty, 33 hwy and I averaged 33, often hit 35 and occasionally got 37. My cars have always bested their published averages

I'm familiar with hyper-mileage techniques, and though I don't carry this as far as some do, I do practice steady acceleration, driving below 63mph and coasting downhill - or at least I used to coast downhill.

My subi's engine/trans likes to brake as I go down hill. Yep, I get a little unwanted help stopping the car because the trans downshifts. This raises RPMs, slows the car, and contributes to poor mileage. I have never had a car that did this, including my parents Outbacks.

At another forum, I was told this is a good thing - I'll save on brakes. I'm hoping that this argument is so bad that even an NASIOC Impreza true-believer wouldn't use it.

I was also told I should 'fix' the problem by using the paddle shifters. Great advice, except I bought an AUTOMATIC because, um, I no longer wanted the job (I sold my manual Versa). The car should perform as advertised, as an automatic.

"But it has AWD and can't be compared to a Versa". Yes, it can. Subaru issued a mileage estimate that factored in AWD. If I were purchasing an Abrams tank that was advertised at 27/36, I would expect that kind of mileage. "But the Abrams has tracks" says the Impreza faithful...

To be honest, I have spoken with other Impreza owners who are happy, but there are those out there that report engine breaking and poor mileage. Thanks to the OP for starting this thread. I've already sent a letter to Subaru, and will be contacting the EPA.

I have switched cars with wifey, and now drive our 2011 Santa Fe V6 to work. I'd sell the Subi in a heartbeat if I could afford to take the hit.

http://townhall-talk.edmunds.com/WebX?14@@.f25cd86/0
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My 2012 Sport pzev is averaging 28 mpg. When my wife drives her 9 miles roundtrip, she gets 23mpg.

My mileage isn't horrible, until you factor in a) 75% of those miles are interstate highway at low traffic times, and b) I drive slower than most grannies solely because I value good mileage.

The Nissan Versa S HB 6 speed I just sold was rated 27 cty, 33 hwy and I averaged 33, often hit 35 and occasionally got 37. My cars have always bested their published averages

I'm familiar with hyper-mileage techniques, and though I don't carry this as far as some do, I do practice steady acceleration, driving below 63mph and coasting downhill - or at least I used to coast downhill.

My subi's engine/trans likes to brake as I go down hill. Yep, I get a little unwanted help stopping the car because the trans downshifts. This raises RPMs, slows the car, and contributes to poor mileage. I have never had a car that did this, including my parents Outbacks.

At another forum, I was told this is a good thing - I'll save on brakes. I'm hoping that this argument is so bad that even an NASIOC Impreza true-believer wouldn't use it.

I was also told I should 'fix' the problem by using the paddle shifters. Great advice, except I bought an AUTOMATIC because, um, I no longer wanted the job (I sold my manual Versa). The car should perform as advertised, as an automatic.

"But it has AWD and can't be compared to a Versa". Yes, it can. Subaru issued a mileage estimate that factored in AWD. If I were purchasing an Abrams tank that was advertised at 27/36, I would expect that kind of mileage. "But the Abrams has tracks" says the Impreza faithful...

To be honest, I have spoken with other Impreza owners who are happy, but there are those out there that report engine breaking and poor mileage. Thanks to the OP for starting this thread. I've already sent a letter to Subaru, and will be contacting the EPA.

I have switched cars with wifey, and now drive our 2011 Santa Fe V6 to work. I'd sell the Subi in a heartbeat if I could afford to take the hit.

http://townhall-talk.edmunds.com/WebX?14@@.f25cd86/0
i realize you have the CVT and this is for the 5sp so the numbers are off a little, but i am pretty sure you fall into the "expected range for most drivers...." range



i don't understand why everyone seems to think that every single car out there will exceed the BOLD MPG estimates, perhaps it is how you were raised/when you grew up. I was always taught to take them with a grain of salt because they are very specific in their testing procedure to the point of using a special blend of 93 octane (iirc) that is only produced for testing and not consumer purchase.
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FYI part of their argument is that the new window sticker on the 2013's does not have that expected range printed on it, though it retains the language saying essentially that actual mileage may vary depending upon how you drive.

PS "Subaru issed a mileage statement" while technically true is not really a valid argument. The EPA specifies the tests that are required and certifies the results.

You can argue that Subaru gamed the tests (but then you need to explain why with over 1.2 million miles recorded the average driver on Fuelly is within 1-2 mpg of the stated Combined Fuel Economy).

You should give credit where credit is due, if the EPA tests were conducted according to the EPA guidelines, which is what Subaru is required to do (again, it looks like the numbers are fairly accurate per Fuelly). Blame the EPA for not testing the car in the 'real world' conditions that some of you experience (such as short drives with a cold engine in the City or driving on the Highway at speeds in excess of 75mph). Neither of those scenarios are part of the EPA testing (and both of those scenarios come under the language "your actual mileage may vary").

Since my mileage is exceeding the EPA Combined Fuel Economy as shown on my sticker (as calculated, it shows even 1-2 mpg higher according to the subaru center display) I don't see that the EPA estimates are inaccurate, but literally YMMV.

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flyboy 1100 and zeeper,

I don't know why you guys just don't get it. First off, fuelly.com does not differentiate between the cvt and the 5 sp, so again it is not valid to compare the 27/36 cvt with the 25/33 5 sp, so continuing to quote it is shows a blatant disregard for reallity.

Next, you have been shown more than once that when compared to the consumer reports independent mileage statistics of the other imports that actually get the 27 overall the Impreza gets, the EPA numbers are inflated by the Impreza is woefully low, even compared to the Kia - in fact the Impreza is over rated by the EPA numbers compared to the other imports that got the same actual mpg by about 20%. Those are what are called "statistics".

So what is this about a "Subaru mileage statement"?

Bluto123 I feel your pain and I too would give the car back if I could get my money back.
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