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Old 02-26-2012, 07:02 PM   #1
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Default 2011 WRX: stage 2, or stay at 1?

Please weigh in:

Pros:

1. About to turn 50. If im gonna have a stage 2 car in my life seems like now's the time.

2. Easy on my cars. Don't race, don't floor it very often, good about scheduled maint.

3. Love, love, love my car: 2011 WRX wagon

4. Already have AP Stage 1 OTS and really enjoy it.

5. Not too worried about warranty going away at stage 2 (car only has 2800 miles)

6. If I do stage 2 it's going to be done by Cobb (Surgeline in PDX) with pro-tune rather than OTS stage 2, new Processwest TMIC and a couple of other bits.

7. It's not cheap, but I can afford it.

8. Don't need upgraded exhaust as it's kinda oud for me

Cons:

1. Im almost 50! WTH am I doing?

2. I'm not a racer/tracker so why pose as one? How much power do I really want?

3. I really should be worried about warranty.

4. Not going to, nor will I ever do any of my own mods--not going to happen.

5. It ain't cheap the way I would do it.

6. What's the point of stage 2 without a mean-a$% exhaust rumble?!

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Old 02-26-2012, 08:09 PM   #2
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I love my stage 2. Just did it a few days ago. 50 is not old this coming from 25 year old. lol Do it and don't look back cause you only live once unless this will put your finances in trouble or make your significant other upset.


More power is only good if you can harness it to the ground and you yourself feel comfortable about it. Stage 2 is a different beast that I will have to learn. I personally waited till my 3yr/36,000 warranty expired.
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Old 02-26-2012, 08:31 PM   #3
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If I lived anywhere close to a pro-tuner, especially COBB I would have been stage 2+ before the first 1,000 miles were on the car...
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Old 02-26-2012, 08:46 PM   #4
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I went stage 2 with 999miles on my 2012 wrx! I love it! COBB is awesome!
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Old 02-27-2012, 01:23 AM   #5
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OP here. Below is what local Cobb shop is suggesting. The tmic was my idea as I've read about a few blown plastic stock tmic ends. My thought is a pro-tune with a reliability bias. I had a boost and oil pressure gauge in another package but perhaps I can just use my ap to live log my dd for now. Kind of enjoy that anyway

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3" SS Street Downpipe (w/ Cat) Legacy GT (MT Only) and '08 WRX/STi MT Turbo to Downpipe Gasket (02-Current) Turbocharged Engine
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Old 02-27-2012, 02:45 AM   #6
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If I lived anywhere close to a pro-tuner, especially COBB I would have been stage 2+ before the first 1,000 miles were on the car...
+1.

I have them all over the place outside of a 60 mile radius of me. There is one local shop I have been hearing about in the Pennsylvania spotted thread in another forum, but have never been there. It's only 15 mins away. I think I might check them out sometime soon when my scoob goes under the knife. Granted an hours drive is not that long, I just don't have the time to get out there right now. Working two jobs to finish paying Jim at Justice for the rest of the engine for my build.
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Old 02-27-2012, 10:52 PM   #7
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OP here. Below is what local Cobb shop is suggesting. The tmic was my idea as I've read about a few blown plastic stock tmic ends. My thought is a pro-tune with a reliability bias. I had a boost and oil pressure gauge in another package but perhaps I can just use my ap to live log my dd for now. Kind of enjoy that anyway

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Install Downpipe
INTERCOOLER TOP MOUNT 05-08 LGT *BLACK* Install Intercooler
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Dude, so what if you're 50 or even 60! Like the other guy said, you only live once so have some fun unless it's not financially possible!

If you are going to upgrade the TMIC, may as well get a good solid upgrade, the LGT isn't going to be that much better IMO. It would be better if you just got the process west, probably the best TMIC you can buy right now.

Few words of advice though, if you are getting a stage 2 protune, you definitely want to have the following items, IF SAFETY and reliability are the most important aspects when modding your car, which they should be :P do it wrong and it could cost an engine, which is lotsss of $$ lol add the following to your list of items to get for your tune:

- upgraded BPV
- TMIC, process west
- Grimmspeed ebcs
- Walbro 255 fuel pump

Some people will argue that those items may not be necessary, but I believe if you want to make the most power you can, while maintaining a very high degree of safety and reliability, then these are necessary.

The stock BPV has been known to leak even at 16psi, made of plastic and should be upgraded. Once boost levels rise above stock, the stock. Lost control solenoid becomes unstable and unable to hold boost steadily. If you get random boost spikes this can damage your engine. Anddd, it is a fairly common issues with people's #4 cylinder failing. #4 is the last cylinder to get fuel, and the differences between the amount of fuel that #1 and #4 receives only increases as the boos level increases. More boost=more pressure=more fuel being pumped which results in the larger discrepancies between cylinders.

Also, of you don't want an obnoxious exhaust and don't want to spend a lot, you could always look at the Nameless Performance Muffled axleback. I have their muffler delete and the sound is epic!

Otherwise, if you go my route, your stage 2 protune will run you about $2500 including the aforementioned items, a $600 catted DP, your accessport and dyno time. If that is within your price range, it is most reliable route to go in terms of making a good deal more power

Hope this helps haha good luck with the car! I'm only 20 and I know I'll still have a Subaru when I'm 50 haha cheers!
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Old 02-28-2012, 04:12 PM   #8
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i would go stage 2.
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Old 02-28-2012, 04:33 PM   #9
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Took the plunge today. New tmic, k and n drop in, Cobb dp and pro tune stage 2 with reliability bias. Stoked. The folks at surgeline were super helpful and there was no up selling whatsoever

Thanks all for advice. It was really helpful!
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Old 02-28-2012, 05:39 PM   #10
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Took the plunge today. New tmic, k and n drop in, Cobb dp and pro tune stage 2 with reliability bias. Stoked. The folks at surgeline were super helpful and there was no up selling whatsoever

Thanks all for advice. It was really helpful!
Have fun with the car bro! Good choice
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Old 02-28-2012, 06:19 PM   #11
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For sure. Parts will be added mid March and I'll flash stage 2 OTS until my pro tune appt early April. Fun to compare the OTS 2 vs the custom 2 I think.

It was great to be able to take what I learned from you folks and pick the bits with Surgeline's help that best fit my goals, budget and reliability bias.

Stoked!
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Old 02-28-2012, 07:18 PM   #12
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Add in your gages too, it's fun to watch the boost.
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Old 02-28-2012, 07:34 PM   #13
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I went stage 2 with 999miles on my 2012 wrx! I love it! COBB is awesome!
Post some numbers, Im really trying to fight the urge to go stage 2, I want to keep my warranty but I want more power and I'm already running cobb stage 1 93 oct.
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Old 02-28-2012, 08:15 PM   #14
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Took the plunge today. New tmic, k and n drop in, Cobb dp and pro tune stage 2 with reliability bias. Stoked. The folks at surgeline were super helpful and there was no up selling whatsoever

Thanks all for advice. It was really helpful!
Glad to hear it!
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Old 03-10-2012, 08:31 AM   #15
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Dude, I didn't know you were 50.. ZOMG THAT IS SOOOO OLD!!!! Really though 50's are the new 40's so you are just getting to midlife crisis. And I think you voided your warranty with your stage 1 tune (depending on dealership). And NO I still haven't got the CobbAP yet. had to apease the wife gods (stupid new washer and dryer) with new washer and dryer.

How you been Eric?
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Old 03-10-2012, 10:18 AM   #16
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Originally Posted by EricInHoodRiver
Please weigh in:

Pros:

1. About to turn 50. If im gonna have a stage 2 car in my life seems like now's the time.

2. Easy on my cars. Don't race, don't floor it very often, good about scheduled maint.

3. Love, love, love my car: 2011 WRX wagon

4. Already have AP Stage 1 OTS and really enjoy it.

5. Not too worried about warranty going away at stage 2 (car only has 2800 miles)

6. If I do stage 2 it's going to be done by Cobb (Surgeline in PDX) with pro-tune rather than OTS stage 2, new Processwest TMIC and a couple of other bits.

7. It's not cheap, but I can afford it.

8. Don't need upgraded exhaust as it's kinda oud for me

Cons:

1. Im almost 50! WTH am I doing?

2. I'm not a racer/tracker so why pose as one? How much power do I really want?

3. I really should be worried about warranty.

4. Not going to, nor will I ever do any of my own mods--not going to happen.

5. It ain't cheap the way I would do it.

6. What's the point of stage 2 without a mean-a$% exhaust rumble?!

Thanks,
Eric
Age means nothing! I see a lot of folks at Mustang events (friend has a Mach 1 I help him show, and helps me at subie events) well over that age, enjoy it man! I myself am 36, I've been fooling with cars since I was 18 or so, it never gets old.
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Old 03-10-2012, 10:41 AM   #17
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DO IT!

I'm running stage 2 on my 07 WRX. I wanted to do the VF swap but i'm so worried about ringland failure and this is my DD. My car makes great power now, so I'm actually just going to keep it stage 2.

So what that you are old (im only 28 so I can say that.. haha). I went stage 2 to enjoy my car. If I want to go REALLY fast, I'll either ride my bike, or take my 347 Cobra out for a jaunt!
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Old 03-10-2012, 11:35 AM   #18
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Doing great Rabid! Y tu?

Yeah, I slid over the stage 1 slope into two. Cobb is putting a new dp and tmic on, and a protune 3 weeks later. I will run ots stage 2 in between.
I am currently obsessing on what grade of oil to use. Forum wisdom sometimes says xxw-40, but the more science I read about oil really points to using the lowest viscosity you can. In other words sticking with the factory 5w-30, or 0w-30. I don't think there is much controversy about the xxw as lower is better for cold cranking, but physics seems to clearly suggest to me that the top operational temp viscosity should ALSO be low as it is flow that lubricates and higher viscosity is a resistance to flow. So at higher turbo temps you want more flow which provides more lubrication and more heat transfer. This all assumes your oil is operating within a mileage that it's properties are still intact, of course.

I state the above based on a few hours of research with plans to do a lot more, mostly because I find the science interesting. I have NO knowledge of operational considerations brought about by the Subaru engine, or any other for that matter

I just hijacked my own thread! If anyone has some newer Wrx stage 2 oil grade thoughts love to hear it. If you feel I am an idiot, which seems to be what happens when oil comes up, please call me such via PM. I have a thick skin and don't mind, but I don't want to pollute this forum with childish name calling. Polluting my inbox is fine

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Old 03-17-2012, 05:07 PM   #19
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Oh you slut jacking your own thread. In regards to the oil change thing I have read mostly ppl have used Rotella, but at the same time those are all older WRX's. I am curious as well to what most ppl are using to change their oil, but you should start a seperate thread in maintenence, or perhaps cobb peeps can offer some suggestions...

I still haven't gotten into the Stage1 yet. Haven't had the extra funds for it yet... current gas prices aren't helping the cause either...
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Just had Cobb in Portland do my dp and tmic install really great group of guys. I also had a chance to talk to Tim Bailey. Super down to earth guy. Everyone there is just into it. Car feels smooth and powerful. Got oil advice too.

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Old 03-18-2012, 09:19 AM   #21
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Got oil advice too.
You get advice and you don't share. Don't make me take away the walker! jk... You should share cause I am curious. How much they charge you for the tuning?
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Old 03-18-2012, 11:41 AM   #22
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At stage 2 they like 10/30, 10/40 changed under 4k. Because I do so many short trips I am going to use a 5-40. They carry Amsoil but the amsoil
Distribution hub is about 200 feet away so no wonder. I dont think I want to run amsoil if I am going to be draining it so often. They only use oem filters. My local Walmart has both t6 and m1 5-40 so I think that's going to seal the deal-- one of those. I think the gist of it was use a quality synthetic, change it, and always check the level. 1st pro tune is 1/2 off if you buy ap
directly from them, which I did, so $195.
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Eric I PM'd you.
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DO IT!

I'm running stage 2 on my 07 WRX. I wanted to do the VF swap but i'm so worried about ringland failure and this is my DD. My car makes great power now, so I'm actually just going to keep it stage 2.

So what that you are old (im only 28 so I can say that.. haha). I went stage 2 to enjoy my car. If I want to go REALLY fast, I'll either ride my bike, or take my 347 Cobra out for a jaunt!
What parts did you go with for your stage 2 setup? I'm thinking about going stage 2 this spring with MY07. I was thinking UP DP exhaust and tune. I was considering trading in for an STi, but they're hard to find here, and that would be quite a bit more money
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I went stage 2 with 999miles on my 2012 wrx! I love it! COBB is awesome!
I went and got this done by local shop yestday with 1000 miles on my 2012.

Now its at 277hp/304tq sound good too! It was worth it!

-B
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