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Old 03-12-2012, 03:17 AM   #76
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Random pics I took at the local shop yesterday...
Oooh I know someone that carries that Keltec. I ran a magazine through it and it's obviously not fun to shoot and weird without a slide stop. But it gets the job done, I think I hit the target Fits in front jeans pocket without printing, no holster.. doesn't get much smaller than that
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Old 03-12-2012, 03:19 AM   #77
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There is no such thing as "pre-ban" in NJ.
Well he's in NYS so it's a bit different

Sime, are you talking about semi-auto rifle mags??

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Old 03-12-2012, 08:37 AM   #78
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I got my pre ban mags from NYFirearms.
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Old 03-12-2012, 11:28 AM   #79
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Thoughts on this?

http://gunbuyer.com/s-and-w-bodyguar...75-109380.html

Is a .380/.38 worth carrying for any other reason besides its compact size or would a 9mm be a better option?
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Old 03-12-2012, 12:12 PM   #80
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Thoughts on this?

http://gunbuyer.com/s-and-w-bodyguar...75-109380.html

Is a .380/.38 worth carrying for any other reason besides its compact size or would a 9mm be a better option?
I'd prefer a 9mm myself, but I wouldn't want get shot with a .38 either.
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Old 03-12-2012, 12:36 PM   #81
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I own a bodyguard .380. Its a very snappy gun. 50 rounds and you will feel it in your hand. 380 is basically a short 9mm so it only lacks in penetration. I use it as a backup gun and and belt less carry. The holster I have for it makes it look exactly like a wallet.
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Old 03-13-2012, 12:52 AM   #82
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The lack of a manual safety on the Glock does take some getting used to, but as long as you have good trigger finger discipline and a carry option that properly covers the trigger guard, you really can't - and won't - go wrong.

Some of my more "urban" friends "Mexican Carry" their Glocks, and it always makes me cringe. Strangely, they've never had a ND, or even know of anyone who's ND'ed their glocks. Go figure.



I think that's a big part of it - that since recoil feel is so subjective, many people will swear up and down that one or another gun is absolutely no good because it's "so snappy," and totally not realize that it's got to do more with their own perception, based on how their unique anatomy "fits" to the gun.

Since smaller, lighter pistols demand more of the shooter to mitigate recoil, any such differences are greatly magnified. This is why I think that for as important as it is for anyone purchasing a "defensive firearm" to go and try the gun in a live-fire format, before buying, that those who are seeking smaller or lightweight concealed-carry pistols really needs to do their own homework, and get out there for themselves.


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I've often tried to put this into words, but as everyone here knows, I'm wordy, and that never helps.

So, here's a presentation from trainer Paul Gomez, of GTI:

Core Unarmed Skills & Retention Position in Context by Gomez-Training.com - YouTube

^ Start at time-point 2:20.

Here, he's addressing the need to have integrated combatives skills which allows you to survive the first moments of a violent encounter so that you can bring your concealed-carry pistol into play.

But if you take that logic out to the "how many rounds am I going to need?" discussion, the reasoning is the same.

You're statistically totally unlikely to ever need to use your gun. But if you need it, you're going to need it *absolutely.* Furthermore, if you find yourself in that situation of needing that gun, you're so far out of the bell curve that the statistics just don't apply any more.

Look at the very recent CHL-involved shoot in a drive-through liquor/convenience mart in Ohio. The BG was shot 4 times center-mass, yet not only returned fire on the GG, but actually ran half a block away before dropping. Look at the CHL-involved shoot in the Detroit barber shop, where the "Glock" was "emptied" on a BG who dropped at the scene - unless that was a G36 or a G39 with only its standard capacity magazine, that's more than 7 shots fired. In either case, the accomplice to the BG decided to not be as stupid, but the specter of "what if" remains.

Ostensibly, we as citizen legal-concealed-carriers carry because we want to be protected against the unlikely and the unthinkable.

Is 7 shots enough? That's purely a personal decision.

For me, I feel that carrying a higher-capacity double-stack autoloader sufficiently mitigates my perceived risks, and that carrying a high-capacity magazine for it should even better my odds. But for others, a "bigger gun" (be it either caliber or capacity) or even a BUG may be a better choice.

And while I have reached a stage in my life where I have the luxury of being able to - the vast majority of the time - choose where I want to be, when I want to be, others may not be so lucky, and it may well be for reasons that they have no way to avoid (i.e. it's either the third-shift job or unemployment).

To me, concealed-carry is all about compromises - what works for one person may or may not work for another.
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From my perspective, as a relatively new shooter myself (although someone on my local Forums recently complained that I should no longer refer to myself as such, since I've taken so many training classes :redface:), since it will be your first carry/nightstand gun, I'd do the rental thing one more time, focusing on a quick "pick up from the table and shoot" method:

start at 1:15 in this video: Gun off the table - YouTube

- getting either a flash-sight-picture or simply point-shooting (start with the target close, at, say, 6-feet (if you can), and incrementally bring it out to 21-feet (7 yards). See which gun naturally "shoots better" without too much concentration on your part.

The Glock and the XD typically "points" differently, for different people - there's definitely a minority for whom both guns just, strangely enough, "point" the same :spin:, but for most people, there will be a slight, but definitely still noticeable difference.

If you point slightly high with the Glock but you otherwise like it better, the GripForce Adapter, a $25 "bolt on" accessory, will kick the grip angle down just enough that you'll do much better.

If you really like the XD, be sure to have someone experienced with it show you some single-handed manipulations (especially with the non-dominant hand), in-particular focusing on the clearance of the double-feed as based on the diagnostic (lock slide back, strip mag, rack/rack/rack, insert mag, rack-and-charge) method.

They're both great defensive pistols, but each has its own special consideration.
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How many shots is enough, the guy who taught my CCW class will say, as many as you can carry.

He took a class at the USSA Shooting Academy with Mike Seeklander. Yes, the same guy who got booted from the first episode of Top Shot. Here he is going against a local MMA fighter. No discussion on what's going to happen other than defend yourself.

USSA Tactical Handgun Intensive 214 - YouTube

After the encounter, they asked him how many shots he fired. He said 3 or 4 by the time he hit the ground. It was 8. He tore his calf muscle in the fight too. He did make it look easy since other people in the class didn't fare as well.

USSA 214 2010.1029 clip 3 - YouTube

Saw these posts on the Legacy forum and thought I'd share. Very informative and I don't see you guys talking much about the h2h skills aspect of a physical encounter so again, I thought these posts were good to share.
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I prefer the grip angle on the Glock. If I bring multiple pistols to the range I try to shoot my CCW glock last (as if that will remove the memory of shooting very different guns before it)

GFH by the bullet hole in Belleville has good classes. In such an urban area it's tough to find a place to frequently practice draws, shooting from unusual positions, gun fighting, etc. I know I'd get kicked out of my range pretty fast if I practice the stuff I do on private property. So if you find a good place to practice, savor it
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Old 03-13-2012, 01:45 PM   #84
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Glocks have the best safety, they don't fire unless you put your finger on the trigger and pull. Anything more is dangerous. If you carry inside the waist, always re-holster carefully

Laughing at the "Mexican Carry" comment, did this topic move to knives?
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Old 03-14-2012, 12:10 AM   #85
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any suggestions for a biometric gun safe thats fireproof?
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Old 03-15-2012, 05:29 PM   #86
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Old 03-16-2012, 09:15 AM   #87
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Old 03-16-2012, 06:33 PM   #89
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Old 03-16-2012, 07:03 PM   #90
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Just be careful when crossing state lines with a pistol. If you don't have a permit for the state you're traveling to/through, you're committing a felony.

Another member here is an NRA instructor and is going to give the pistol class for Utah and CT to a bunch of us if any of you are interested. Having a license for Utah allows you to carry in a ton of other states.
This is key. And Arizona licenses are valid in 75% of US states.
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Just be careful when crossing state lines with a pistol. If you don't have a permit for the state you're traveling to/through, you're committing a felony.

Another member here is an NRA instructor and is going to give the pistol class for Utah and CT to a bunch of us if any of you are interested. Having a license for Utah allows you to carry in a ton of other states.
This is key. And Arizona licenses are valid in 75% of US states.
AZ non-resident CWP allows you to carry in 64% of US states, to carry in 75%+ of states you will need many permits (see my post in this thread on which states you can get non-resident CCW for if you have the time, money and inclination).

AZ gives you the same states as Utah non-resident, then you add NV, NM and KS, you lose WA and MN.

Both are 5 year permits, require fingerprint cards, etc. UT application costs $51, AZ costs $60. UT requires a special training class which typically costs $200 inclusive of application fees, photos, prints, etc. AZ requires proof of firearms competency which is typically $1-200 (NRA Basic) depending on length and location (although military experience can be substituted here). Add the cost of paying your PD doing your fingerprint cards and the UT permit is the better value.

UT permit is also more reassuring (to me at least) in distant states when dealing with local police as the permit has your picture on it.

Also to address what you quoted, you do not need a permit in a state you are traveling through -- only from and to. You are protected by FOPA in transit. And in most states possessing and even carrying a firearm without valid permit is not a felony, more likely a misdemeanor. Only in NJ is any firearm infraction considered a felony. NJ laws are written in a way that makes anything related to firearms illegal with narrow exceptions.
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any suggestions for a biometric gun safe thats fireproof?
Really don't care for biometric safes no matter what the role of it is. For regular storage there are MUCH better options as far as fireproof safes go. And I feel that If you want it for quick deployment for defense then you should seriously rethink it. Reason being would you want to rely you and your familys lives on a microchip? I don't care how reliable the company markets it. No thanks.

Good storage safe that are anywhere fireproof as they say it is will cost some money. Alot more than a China made biosafe. Dont be fooled by the UL rating on safes either. Alot of b.s. in UL testing as far as "fireproof" safes go. I have and love these www.sturdysafes.com Expensive? alittle. Better than most safe twice the money? I think so. Lots of options out there and alot of "glam" safes too.

You want easy access to you firearm? Simple. Put it under your bed or on the nightstand. You have kids? Teach them gun safety and responsibility period.

Bottom line I would steer clear of biosafes. The technology just isn't good enough to rely me and my familys lives on. There are better options out there. But this is just my out look on it. Cheers.
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Teach them gun safety and responsibility period.
No offense, but I am not relying on good parenting to keep my gun out my child's hands. Just because SHE knows better doesn't mean one of her friends does, or that she won't cave in to peer pressure.
I know for a fact I did a lot of stuff my parents told me not to when they weren't around, including improper firearms usage.
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AZ non-resident CWP allows you to carry in 64% of US states, to carry in 75%+ of states you will need many permits (see my post in this thread on which states you can get non-resident CCW for if you have the time, money and inclination).

AZ gives you the same states as Utah non-resident, then you add NV, NM and KS, you lose WA and MN.

Both are 5 year permits, require fingerprint cards, etc. UT application costs $51, AZ costs $60. UT requires a special training class which typically costs $200 inclusive of application fees, photos, prints, etc. AZ requires proof of firearms competency which is typically $1-200 (NRA Basic) depending on length and location (although military experience can be substituted here). Add the cost of paying your PD doing your fingerprint cards and the UT permit is the better value.

UT permit is also more reassuring (to me at least) in distant states when dealing with local police as the permit has your picture on it.

Also to address what you quoted, you do not need a permit in a state you are traveling through -- only from and to. You are protected by FOPA in transit. And in most states possessing and even carrying a firearm without valid permit is not a felony, more likely a misdemeanor. Only in NJ is any firearm infraction considered a felony. NJ laws are written in a way that makes anything related to firearms illegal with narrow exceptions.
I stand corrected, educated, and will keep my mouth shut. lol
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No offense, but I am not relying on good parenting to keep my gun out my child's hands. Just because SHE knows better doesn't mean one of her friends does, or that she won't cave in to peer pressure.
I know for a fact I did a lot of stuff my parents told me not to when they weren't around, including improper firearms usage.
No offence at all. Thats why its just MY outlook . I have friends with kids who know firearms and there no question they know when to touch them and when not to. But to each there own. Everyones lives differently. I found from others that the more kids shoot and handle the more responsible they are. But those are just some examples out there. I see your concern for sure though.

I currently have no kids so I can't really comment from that side. But it would be a difficult thing to deal with for me for sure. Finding the fine line of access and security when it comes to having kids in the household is something each person must explore on their own. It will be tough for me one day I'm sure.
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I stand corrected, educated, and will keep my mouth shut. lol
Sorry I am so anal retentive
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Having kids or disabled in the house is a tough one. No more set it and forget it in the nightstand. A mini nightstand bio-safe might be the best option with kids unfortunately. Someone at a NRA class once said that the failure of a bio safe is much less likely than you or your s/o unable to open a traditional lock in a hurry. You also don't want to re-chamber a self-defense round more than a few times. So if you constantly unloading and loading as part of your ritual you have to keep that in mind
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Right now no kids. I put my pistol on the night stand as soon as I get home from work and rifle safe stays open. No round chambered. If I'm not at work and I'm out and about then its on me.

When I do have kids (few years) I'll most likely carry it on me till I go to bed. Safe still open but latched. At which point I'll put pistol in or on night stand and again no round chambered.

I just could not ever let a computer control my access to my defense weapon. Thats just me though.

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