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Old 08-18-2002, 10:09 PM   #1
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Default My 1st wrx autoX...need coach!

In Augusta at CMC's event it was rather technical and filled with tons of 'Off courses". The most ever I would say. Anyway, I finally got a clean run my 3rd run. My 4th and 5th runs were better but I couldn't make up the 1/2 second the other DS wrx kept gaining on me. And I wont accept that it was all tires (the other guy had).
Are there any WRX/RS drivers headin up to any CMC events the rest of this season? I stink! I need a coach.

-Chris N, 2nd in DS...out of three.
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Old 08-19-2002, 10:10 AM   #2
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I'll probably head up as soon as I get my car back, but I'm not the best person to make suggestions.

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Old 08-19-2002, 06:55 PM   #3
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I need all the help I can get. I've autocrossed alot but the subarus seem to bring out my bad habbits. I've gotta get my shift knob fixed -it rotates- but that shouldn't hold me up from the next Old Orchard Beach run(s).
I think just someone pointing out mistakes will be a big help. Then maybe tires
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Old 08-19-2002, 09:34 PM   #4
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Where are you finding this stuff...Augusta, OOB...bah my wife would never let me go with her car anyway but....maybe someday. BTW if you see a silver WRX in windham and it has a Pooh windowshade, that would be her car. I'm pretty sure it almost never sees 4k with her driving it. Probably the most babied WRX out there...
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Old 08-20-2002, 08:22 AM   #5
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The best thing I can say is don't look at the cones as you pass by them. There's nothing you can do to avoid hitting them as you pass them by. You messed up one or two turns before and that put you where you were.

Look ahead. What I mean by this is try looking a few gates up as you're running and say to your self: "I need to make that turn, where does my car need to be before there so I can get though clean, and set up for the next series of cones."

Everything else will fall into place. I'm usually looking about 4 gates ahead. Once I've commited into a turn the next one is usually all set up. If I hit a cone, it's because I did something wrong a few seconds ago, not at that time.

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Old 08-20-2002, 06:03 PM   #6
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Old 08-20-2002, 06:48 PM   #7
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That's a really good deal!

I'm no expert, but these are the things I find helpful as I try to improve myself:

1. Always take an instructor, and try different people. They all take different lines, and it's pretty cool when you get the "crazy guy (Tyson in our region if you ask me)" and he tells you to do something that you think makes no sence, yet it sure feels fast once you try it.

2. Seat time is essential. In any seat though. I try to grab a ride in KC's car (since it is a wagon like mine) to see where he is going faster, where he is braking, etc.). Any ride with an instructor in any car be be benificial.

3. While working, pay attention. Your supposed to be doing this anyway, but when you start to know who is "fast" , you can pay close attention to there runs as your working. Watch where they brake, how they turn in, when they turn in, etc. You can really learn quite a bit about the course and how to appoarch it, especially when you have a course design that has "optionals".

That is what I try to do (along with what KC and the others said). Try to stay focused and realize these events are 90% driver if you ask me. I have seen plenty of really fast stock cars, and the faster modded cars are very well driven. So, don't "chaulk it up" to just being stock.

I'm no "expert", but when I run with NESCC region I'm the only car in STX. For the 1st few events I was about 5 seconds faster than the DS WRX cars. All I had was a 20mm rear sway bar, and some beat up RE-730's, which are still better than Re-92s. I don't think my mods give me a 5 second advantage. Many of the DS members have less experience than I do (I'm working on about 1.5 seasons experience).

Just go out, have fun, and ask questions like your doing now.

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Old 08-20-2002, 07:26 PM   #8
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Yeah, seat time will help big time.. When I started seriously this year I was able to shave some time, but wasn't able to really get down there with some of the others. It helped alot when I road in Paul's car for the first 3 runs and he road in my car for the first 3. We essentially got 6 runs on the course which helped us learn the course. It also helped me figure out when people were explaining how to take a slalom, what they really meant. You know when KC says you gotta be smooth, I was being what I thought was smooth, but it was a different smooth that what KC was talking about which I figured out after some seat time with Paul. weeee!

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Old 08-20-2002, 11:21 PM   #9
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Thanks for all of the pointers.
I thought I'd be waiting for boost forever in the wrx on the auto-x but that wasn't the case. I had power whenever I wanted. I think Paul is right. It is 90% driver, 5% tires, and 5% having to pee real bad!

Sunday was the very first time I've ever gone OC...twice-in-a-row. I couldn't believe it. I used to pride myself on my clean runs and so-so times. After 2 OCs I was freaking. I started to walk all the way around the lot to get better views. I am humbled. I'm gonna try all of evryones tips. Thanks
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Old 08-20-2002, 11:29 PM   #10
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Where are you finding this stuff...Augusta, OOB...bah my wife would never let me go with her car anyway but....maybe someday. BTW if you see a silver WRX in windham and it has a Pooh windowshade, that would be her car.
Hey dude, check out www.cumberlandmotorclub.com look at the schedule and watch an event. You can autocross anything, as long as its not a tall 4x4 or suv. You'll enjoy it.
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Old 08-21-2002, 08:35 AM   #11
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I love the CMC. I've autocrossed for parts of four seasons, and no other sanctioning body has more fun, is so laid back, and is so cheap. Not to mention I've never had fewer than 6 runs. Try that, NERSCCA.

For a bit of a newbie handbook to autocrossing, I wrote this a year or so ago:

http://crx.honda-perf.org/articles/a.../axprimer.html

It's on a CRX page, and it's geared towards Hondas, but the basics are all the same. Hope it helps some.
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Old 08-21-2002, 09:12 AM   #12
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I love the CMC. I've autocrossed for parts of four seasons, and no other sanctioning body has more fun, is so laid back, and is so cheap. Not to mention I've never had fewer than 6 runs. Try that, NERSCCA.
Don't disparage NER. While I do think that all day for 3 runs is a bit overwhelming to some, with the sheer numbers of people that compete, averaging 150, that's the best that can be done, unless we only did 30 second courses, and then we could get more runs in.

How many people show up at events?
CMC: ~50
NER: ~150

Just the participation numbers show they are just 2 totally different events. Also, looking at the numbers, if you get 50, and we have 150, we have 3x as many people. How come you're not getting a minimum of 9 runs? We get 3 afterall.

Please compare apples to apples.

Years ago, the BMW events used to be about 50 ppl. when they were held at Rockingham Park in Salem, NH. What a ball it was! Nice small, and 6 runs. Everyone got along and BMW's and nons were running together.

Now, BMW runs 2 courses simultaneously. Because BMW's compete agianst BMW's and Nons against Nons. You cannot do that in NER. Too many factors to consider in 2 courses for NER.

So, don't disparage NER because they have a larger turnout. If CMC had a 150 person turnout, you wouldn't be able to use most of your venues.

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Old 08-21-2002, 09:20 AM   #13
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So, don't disparage NER because they have a larger turnout. If CMC had a 150 person turnout, you wouldn't be able to use most of your venues.

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I'm not disparaging them. And all of the points you made were valid. I'm simply stating that I love the close-knit group at CMC, and I love the fact that it's a much more intimate setting. I'd much rather run a bunch more runs one right after the other than work the course for two hours, then get three runs, spread out over an hour or so. It all comes down to personal preference, and I really like the attitude of the CMC group. Just me.

One thing that the NERSCCA does have going for it is talent. Andy Bettencourt et al are some very good drivers. About two years ago, in my very mildly-modded CRX, I couldn't crack the top 5 in NERSCCA DS. I happened upon a CMC event, and was 5th fastest raw, 3rd fastest pax. Now I'm NOT a very good driver...I mash the pedal and don't use a good line (I should read my article more), but somehow I manage to go fast with the CMC guys. I think the talent at SCCA events is just much higher.

So it all comes down to personal preference. I raced my first season with NERSCCA, and loved it. But when I found CMC, I loved it even more...
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Ive gone to a couple NER events and I just didnt like the overly competitive attitude that was abound. Seemed to be alot of people that took auto-x way too seriously. Those guys need to calm down and worry more about having fun.
That's one of the things I love about hillclimbing with NEHA. It's all about the fun.
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Old 08-21-2002, 09:33 AM   #15
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Ive gone to a couple NER events and I just didnt like the overly competitive attitude that was abound. Seemed to be alot of people that took auto-x way too seriously. Those guys need to calm down and worry more about having fun.
That's one of the things I love about hillclimbing with NEHA. It's all about the fun.
I felt the same way when I used to race there...I was new, I didn't have the fastest car, and I kinda felt like I was in the way sometimes when I asked questions. But I think that goes back to the amount of talent there...many of those guys have been racing for many years, and some have even competed (and won) in prosolo events. I think if I was that good, I'd probably be really competitive as well.

But I'm not, so I'll stick to my laid back CMC...it's just all about where you feel more comfortable and have the most fun...
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Remembering one particular LLBean autox about 2 years ago NESIC attended.
There is another LLBean event coming right up. "The Viking Challenge"
I've talked with the autocross chair for that event and he says it will be "a wee bit faster than usual." He drives a Saab Sonnet and is excited to set-up a course that doesn't favor the VWs. I might have to do this one too.

Oh ya, the Oxford Plains Speedway event details are up. They have posted a map of the course because its so big. The first year I went there they let us do 2 slow drive threws before we started. They might do drive threws again this year.
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