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Old 01-10-2013, 10:16 AM   #301
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I don't recommend a 7cm housing for any 2.5l although some do if paired with an EWG. Pick the 8cm version of that turbo and you should be happy.
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Old 01-10-2013, 01:36 PM   #302
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I'd probably go with the 16g since of the crappy Cali gas.

Anyone know if it's a big 16g or not?
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Old 01-10-2013, 02:16 PM   #303
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Ok, taking the jump almost any day now. I still need help though. '06 STI forged pistons, 850cc inj, stock top mount. I want the car to be as peppy as possible while still having good top end.

Turbocharger 2.4" Cover SUBARU STI TD06SL2 20G w/ 7cm housing and billet wheel upgrade????

Thoughts?
I would do the billet wheel upgrade but that is just me
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Old 01-10-2013, 03:28 PM   #304
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I'd probably go with the 16g since of the crappy Cali gas.

Anyone know if it's a big 16g or not?
Looking at the specs it appears to be an EVO3 16G compressor wheel.
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Old 01-10-2013, 05:48 PM   #305
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Can't wait to see some results posted from all of these new turbos.
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Old 01-10-2013, 06:51 PM   #306
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I'm watching this thread too. I already have a Blouch 20g-xt ready to install but these have piqued my interest.
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Old 01-11-2013, 01:06 AM   #307
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OK I subscribed to this thread to figure out which turbo is best. Im still clueless. Id really like the Kinugawa turbo because it wont break the bank.
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Old 01-11-2013, 10:17 AM   #308
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OK I subscribed to this thread to figure out which turbo is best. Im still clueless. Id really like the Kinugawa turbo because it wont break the bank.
You say you want to know which turbo is best? Do you mean brand, size, particular options?

What specifically are you looking for?
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Old 01-11-2013, 12:32 PM   #309
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on the topic of billet vs standard compressor wheels.

Take a look at this

is the billet wheel worth the extra $150?
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Old 01-11-2013, 12:50 PM   #310
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on the topic of billet vs standard compressor wheels.

Take a look at this

is the billet wheel worth the extra $150?
Good read and thank you.
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Old 01-11-2013, 01:16 PM   #311
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OK I subscribed to this thread to figure out which turbo is best. Im still clueless. Id really like the Kinugawa turbo because it wont break the bank.
Since you have a 2.0L I would go a 7cm turbo housing. If your goal is 275-300whp I would go with the Kinugawa TD05H 7cm 18G (20G if you want 300whp+).

http://shopping.kinugawaturbo.com/ki...0ps-3-2-1.aspx

$770 with billet actuator . I had the money to buy a Blouch ($1,400), I still chose a Kinugawa due to the build quality and proven performance. What did I get with the left over cash?, bought a Kinugawa ELH header.


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Old 01-11-2013, 05:51 PM   #312
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Did you ever get your forester done i have not seen any updates on the forester forum?
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Old 01-12-2013, 12:06 PM   #313
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Who's willing to take the time to map out and convert the power chart for each of the combo's into max flow?

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Old 01-12-2013, 12:24 PM   #314
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Who's willing to take the time to map out and convert the power chart for each of the combo's into max flow?
I would be willing if I understood what u were saying.
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Old 01-12-2013, 12:36 PM   #315
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I would be willing if I understood what u were saying.
That chart is in KW, and I don't speak that language. I think there has to be a way to re-make that chart into a pound per minute conversion to go through for everything we can use, from a td05 16 to a td06h 25g.

That way, direct comparison between FP/Blouch and Kinugawa offerings would be cut and dry.
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Old 01-12-2013, 12:44 PM   #316
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That chart is in KW, and I don't speak that language. I think there has to be a way to re-make that chart into a pound per minute conversion to go through for everything we can use, from a td05 16 to a td06h 25g.

That way, direct comparison between FP/Blouch and Kinugawa offerings would be cut and dry.
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Old 01-12-2013, 01:03 PM   #317
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search for KAMAK DYNAMICS Catalog 2011 on google, flow rates in lbs/min and cfms are shown.

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Did you ever get your forester done i have not seen any updates on the forester forum?
Just took a break for the holidays, I will resume with the install this weekend: Kinugawa TD06SL2 8cm2 20G + Kinugawa ELH.

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Old 01-12-2013, 01:04 PM   #318
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Just use the PS scale at the bottom of the chart. 1 PS is roughly 0.98 HP.
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Old 01-12-2013, 04:05 PM   #319
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Code:
              Chp    Whp (20% loss)   
TD05H  
      16G     370    296
      18G     385    308
      20G     414    331
      60-1    429    343
TD06
      16G     375    300
      18G     389    311
      20G     424    339
      60-1    439    351
TD06 SL-2
      16G     384    307
      18G     399    319
      20G     434    347
      60-1    449    359
      25G     517    413
TD06H
      20G     468    374
      60-1    503    402
      25G     532    425
Read the chart in PS, put those numbers in a HP converter, added the 25 HP correction that Vlad pointed out for CRANK numbers, then multiplied by .8 for WHP numbers. Feel free to correct me if these are terrible and I'll gladly edit it.

EDIT: When looking at Vlad's numbers along side sense of nature, I feel like something I did undershot the turbo's by 3-5%. Any ideas?

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Old 01-12-2013, 08:56 PM   #320
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359 for the TDO6 SL2 is really really close to the 357 WHP my car put down on a low reading Mustang Dyno, Nice job w/ the calculations
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So after reading through this thread, it seems like Kinugawa is a pretty good turbo for the price. I'm curious if it's worth the buy. How reliable are they?
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So after reading through this thread, it seems like Kinugawa is a pretty good turbo for the price. I'm curious if it's worth the buy. How reliable are they?
Thought u said u read the thread?
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Old 01-14-2013, 01:25 AM   #323
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Thought u said u read the thread?
On what this guy said...
Just go done reading through this thread and it reinforces my decision to get the Kinugawa TD05H - 18G SUBARU Twin Scroll Turbocharger. Im $400 bux, an open source tune, and a fuel pump away.


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Old 01-14-2013, 09:38 AM   #324
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Thought u said u read the thread?
I did, I'm just confirming that the general consensus is they are a reliable turbo.
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Who has a good K turbo they're looking to sell?
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