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Old 03-13-2013, 05:52 PM   #451
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Well, the good news is, these aren't eBay turbos.
why you even bothered responding? Ignorance at its best, that guy is clueless.
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Old 03-13-2013, 06:03 PM   #452
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From my understanding eBay does not manufacture parts.
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Old 03-13-2013, 07:30 PM   #453
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why you even bothered responding? Ignorance at its best, that guy is clueless.
I was going to make a long and courteous response, didn't, then couldn't let it go. -_-
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Old 03-13-2013, 10:56 PM   #454
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I have to say George has been in contact with me all the way through my purcahse. He has contacted me from China, Moscow and Las Vegas. Thats pretty damn good in my book being I am not associated with a businees that will buy multiple turbos. Give him time to respond he always does, Saturdays, Sundays etc.

Great company. I just made 360/380+ on a mustang dyno using there 20 GTX STS. We are in the process of doing some tweaking to get some more power and boost.
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Old 03-14-2013, 12:26 AM   #455
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the 18g did more than your 20g?
That 400wtq was with a 2.5L block. My 2.2L setup was running a 75mm crank.
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Old 03-18-2013, 07:39 AM   #456
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I have to say George has been in contact with me all the way through my purcahse. He has contacted me from China, Moscow and Las Vegas. Thats pretty damn good in my book being I am not associated with a businees that will buy multiple turbos. Give him time to respond he always does, Saturdays, Sundays etc.

Great company. I just made 360/380+ on a mustang dyno using there 20 GTX STS. We are in the process of doing some tweaking to get some more power and boost.
George is the best customer service guy at Kamak. Bruce is great at Kinugawa, but he is so busy, you hardly ever get an answer from him (but your parts do show up).

I would venture to bet with a few anciallry mods, your 20G will easily get to 400/400 on a Mustang. The 20G really likes any little airflow mod available. Once you really open up the exhaust, get some good EGTs all the way to the turbo (get all of your exhaust manifold to turbine inlet pipes coated by swaintech or similar; I use precoated Grimmspeed all the way up) and make sure you are not running the stock BPV, the 20G will really open up and likes mid 20's peak PSI and hold that past 5.4K, then start your taper down to 17 PSI at redline. That is usually the sweet spot, but the STS turbine may want more P/R... When I started with my 20G, I gained 50 WHP in ancillary mods (FMIC, TXS RFL BPV, little mods like coolant bypass, etc..) on gas.

Nice initial results.
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Old 03-18-2013, 07:53 AM   #457
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This is George from Kamak Dynamics, I will be directing Kamak from here on out and I just want to drop a line. I usually don't have time to participate in forums, but after reading this thread, I had many laughs and want to thank everyone for making the community so exciting. Of course, some information true, some false, but it's funny to see that you guys know the operations of our company, maybe, better than we do. I LOLed the whole way through and had a great time reading.

I wanted to let everybody know my experiences. There is no way I can put it in a short paragraph so I'll summarize. Recently, I've been doing a lot of traveling to know what the turbo industry is like, Globally. I've spoken with the largest turbo companies around the world and it's amazing that everyone is wanting to jump into the market in China right now because they are just beginning to play with performance cars. Thought you guys might like to know what what you guys are doing is leading a brand new trend in China. I will be in going to Kinugawa and Kamak locations in a few different countries the coming weeks to merge Kinugawa and Kamak together, officially. I will then setup a solid network so everybody can contact us easily. I know that it seems hard to communicate with us for some people, and I have to admit that I feel the same way; therefore, things will improve here for us. As a smaller company, our most difficult task is to spread our resources around the world. Unlike many familiar brands, we want to offer the same support globally and offer the excitement of turbocharging to countries that are not as experienced. This limits our resources we can place in a certain area, but it certainly does not mean that we do not want people to contact us.

I will most likely not be able to view this thread often and want to thank everyone that participated in talking about us. Whether is good or bad, it's all good for us. The good gives us encouragement to continue doing what we do. The bad gives us motivation to improve and become better.
Great move George in merging Kinugawa and Kamak. People just get too confused. Nudge Bruce for me if you get the chance. I worked a deal with him to upgrade my Kinugawa labeled compressor cover into what we were talking about for a slightly cheaper price. If we need to revist that pricewise, let me know. Bruce should be on top of it (a TD06H(STS)-25GTX CHRA and a TD06H sized Subaru turbine housing should be on the way to the states already). Watch it show up today. I just get excited when I know the arrival time is near.

BTW, great customer service. Quit letting MAP get all the good parts first. j/k

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Old 03-18-2013, 08:08 AM   #458
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Gabedude, everything has been professionally installed, leak test was performed and well as vac. leak test, nothing. Secondly, i did not make 375 WHP with the HTA68 (338-350 23.5 PSI max i think) right now I am sitting at (over 350) with the current setup (no timing 20 PSI). 375whp on a stock VF-52 no way not on this dyno. There is no E85 around me in CNJ that i can run on a regular basis.

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Stage-2 SB (Weisco Pistons, Eagle H-Beam, ACl race Bearings, new crank, ARP head Studs) Stock Heads decked, cleaned
Kamak 20 GTX STS
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Sorry about the rant, I had one of those days is all.

Anyway, like I stated a couple posts up, you could do little things still to get more power. I have an 83mm BigMaf shortram going to a 3 inch APS hard inlet. That alone is about 20 more WHP than your setup. Go as big as you can to the turbo inlet with as few bends as possible. If you are using the stock BPV, it starts to recirculate at 13 PSI, so ditch that thing. TurboXS RFL BPV is one of the good ones (I use the adjustable hybrid, but it is set to full recirculation and holds 26 PSI with ease; I do have a 4 bar MAP sensor controlled by the stock ECU). I have the agency power fuel rail kit and I hate them, but they work (custom is going in soon with the Kinugawa rails). Also, exhaust wrap is OK, but professional coating is better all the way to the turbo. One thing that really stands out in my motor is my pistons have ceramic top coating (swaintech supposedly, but it is whatever JSCSpeed used in 2008 on my CPs). I get more heat than most cars I have seen going to my turbo because of the ceramic coated tops (go to swaintech's site and read some articles). Keeping high heat to the turbine and a nice cool flowing exit into a large belmouth is the way to make our cars act like they are suppose to. I really wish I had a 4 inch turbo-back at my power levels now. We are at a huge disadvantage not having the turbine right on the exhaust manifold. I gained 5 WHP with the coolant bypass mod. I have phenolic spacers. Every little mod helps and has a multiplication effect on the rest of your mods.

I may be ditching the FMIC as well, welding up a custom turbine flange to front mount the turbo. If I do that, I will be using a water cooled intercooler and at first, a front side exit exhaust (soon after find some 4 inch piping to the back of the car). That way, the turbine would be sitting right on the exhaust manifold (like an EVO) and the gains would be very rewarding.

There is a 9 second DSM that runs a 13T turbo (the small turbo that came on the WRX from 2002-2007). Slapping a larger turbo on with only a few supporting mods is not always the answer. I imagine my custom catch can setup aids in power as well as no oil ends up in my intake or intercooler. I could keep going, grimmspeed front pulley, modified fan modes, shorter delays in adding dynamic advance back in, and many more tuning adjustments to enable the ECU to react and learn quicker than stock as the power come son faster than stock. One of my tuning "secrets" is my fast recovery from shift knock and fast knock down of IAM into limp mode if things get really bad. I also use the mixed fueling maps (high det, low det learning that the 07 STI ECU uses) as well as all of the additional DA mappings. My IAM is always at 1, but sometimes I log the car and I am running 2-3 degrees more advance and leaner than the high knock conditions fueling table as the ECU has hit the parameters to adjust over time to slowly lean out. I do not remap my car very often anymore (unless I add a new part).

So many factors determine power than the turbo alone is my point here.

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Old 03-18-2013, 08:27 AM   #459
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Dammn!!! That must be on a high reading dyno. You running fast trap speeds with that?
Dunno. It was a cold morning and I live in Austin, close to sea level, plus this was on E85. That is from the road dyno software. I ran the log back through Virtual Dyno and it matched using the "dynojet" setting. The "mustang" setting is broken in that software. I tested the "mustang" setting by adding 2000 lbs of weight and HP went up 5 WHP lol. I then added in 3 tons (6,000) and it went up 6 WHP. I kept adding weight and it would only go up 7 WHP. So the only setting that works is "dynojet". The calculations were initially made to be a Mustang from an open source spreadsheet (the Airboy spreadsheet). My Stage 1 and Stage 2 maps were run and compared on Mustang dynos as well as a large sample of WRXs, STIs and EVOs and they matched back in 2008. So it is pretty well tested.

I am clutch limited now however after installing my FIC 1100cc injectors. On E85, the clutch spins at boost levels over 20 PSI. I am on regular gas right now, and between fast shifts, my clutch slips all the way until 4th gear, but not that bad because the car still rockets forward.

This is the result of tuning the car every day going to work and back from work. I really know what my car likes.

I plan on going to the strip after this next round of upgrades are on my car. Last time was in 2007 when I finished my stage 1 OS mapping. I only had one run, and ran a 13.31@103.4 mph. The road dyno said I had 265-270 WHP on Stage 1 IIRC. The details are floating around somewhere on romraider.com and maybe on osecuroms.org if Braden is still hosting that site (he works @ Cobb in Austin now).

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Old 03-19-2013, 01:33 AM   #460
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Looking at the following twin scroll options versus the Blouch Dom 3 XT-R Twin Scroll

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- KAMAK STS TD06SL2-25GTX
- 9-blade STS turbine wheel
- Billet Compressor wheel
- 3" anti-surge compressor inlet
- Twin Scroll


Due to legal restrictions, I have to keep the the standard exhaust manifold and downpipes..but I'm shooting for 400whp with the best possible response (at reasonable cost, of course)
Any opinions, folks?

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- Ported dual AVCS heads with Kelford Road/Race (R-220-C) cams
- JDM Twin Scroll maniofold and downpipe
- Invidia Q300 cat-back exhaust
- ID1000 with Bosch 044 pump

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Old 03-21-2013, 03:10 PM   #461
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Wow just ordered a few parts from kinugawa and got them in 2 days! Way to go
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Old 03-23-2013, 07:17 PM   #462
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My turbo arrived while I was out of town. Figured I would do an unboxing so everyone could see the whole thing. It arrived direct from Taiwan, and was well packaged with a nice install kit.
This is a Kinugawa Greddy-style T518Z-16G with 7cm hotside.
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Accessory and Install Kit Box:



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Looks like it's been balanced!


Another shot of the compressor wheel:


Hotside:


Someone earlier in the thread mentioned slag and rough scoring on the housings of "a friend's kinugawa", I do not agree. The compressor casting is very smooth, and I can firmly run my finger down the hotside without a snag either.

Good opportunity to put on the PTP turbo blanket.



Honestly, it looks like the lava blanket could fit at least 8cm.
After installing all the lines here's the whole enchilada:


I didn't order any upgrades. Comes with studs/bolts, vacuum line, metal 5-ply gaskets, and all new lines with fittings and copper crush rings as well as the braided stainless steel line pictured.

Overall I'm very satisfied and i'm looking forward to getting it installed here sometime in the next couple of weeks or so.
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Old 03-24-2013, 01:59 AM   #463
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I didn't order any upgrades. Comes with studs/bolts, vacuum line, metal 5-ply gaskets, and all new lines with fittings and copper crush rings as well as the braided stainless steel line pictured.

Overall I'm very satisfied and i'm looking forward to getting it installed here sometime in the next couple of weeks or so.
Thanks for participating in our group buy and posting up the pics! Looking forward to the install!
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Old 03-25-2013, 05:17 PM   #464
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Looking at the following twin scroll options versus the Blouch Dom 3 XT-R Twin Scroll

Kamak Option
- KAMAK STS TD06SL2-25GTX
- 9-blade STS turbine wheel
- Billet Compressor wheel
- 3" anti-surge compressor inlet
- Twin Scroll


Due to legal restrictions, I have to keep the the standard exhaust manifold and downpipes..but I'm shooting for 400whp with the best possible response (at reasonable cost, of course)
Any opinions, folks?

Engine
- built 2.5l with JE FSR pistons, Manley Turbo-Tuff I-beam rods
- 8.5:1 CR
- Ported dual AVCS heads with Kelford Road/Race (R-220-C) cams
- JDM Twin Scroll maniofold and downpipe
- Invidia Q300 cat-back exhaust
- ID1000 with Bosch 044 pump

Cheers
Dennis
Essentially it is a Greddy T67-25G with the Kamak engineered 9 blade (vs 11 blade "Green" style) turbine wheel which has less blades, but more overall surface area with a newer age (think GTX30R or GTX35R) turbine blade profile. With the twinscroll housing, it is going to be one of the highest and fastest TQ producing bolt on turbos on the market due to the 25G compressor wheel. The 60-1 wheel is another option, but it will spool later and not really the right compressor wheel IMHO for our smaller displacement motors. The 25GTX wheel will spool faster and make more WTQ than the 60-1 wheel. It will easily make over 400WHP even with your exhaust restrictions. As far as making more power, the Dom3 XT-R is not an apples to apples comparison. Since your goal is 400WHP and you ave twin scroll pipes, the Kamak twinscroll STS TD06SL2-25GTX is good choice. I have heard good and bad about the Dom3, but I can tell you the TD06SL2-25G turbo is a very popular upgrade in other countries and has a higher overall (the world) install base.
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what are your thoughts on my turbo? Not yet installed hence the question.




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Old 03-25-2013, 07:24 PM   #466
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Only a long year into the warmer wheather before i can install my kamak 20gGTX.
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Old 03-25-2013, 11:41 PM   #467
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Kamak did advise that this turbo is too big of a mismatch - the 25G compressor will put alot of stress on the TD06SL2 and probably not recommended for long term high boost usage. Figure the sweet spot is the 20G.
You reckon the TD06H is gonna be a better match for the 25G compressor?
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Essentially it is a Greddy T67-25G with the Kamak engineered 9 blade (vs 11 blade "Green" style) turbine wheel which has less blades, but more overall surface area with a newer age (think GTX30R or GTX35R) turbine blade profile. With the twinscroll housing, it is going to be one of the highest and fastest TQ producing bolt on turbos on the market due to the 25G compressor wheel. The 60-1 wheel is another option, but it will spool later and not really the right compressor wheel IMHO for our smaller displacement motors. The 25GTX wheel will spool faster and make more WTQ than the 60-1 wheel. It will easily make over 400WHP even with your exhaust restrictions. As far as making more power, the Dom3 XT-R is not an apples to apples comparison. Since your goal is 400WHP and you ave twin scroll pipes, the Kamak twinscroll STS TD06SL2-25GTX is good choice. I have heard good and bad about the Dom3, but I can tell you the TD06SL2-25G turbo is a very popular upgrade in other countries and has a higher overall (the world) install base.
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Kamak did advise that this turbo is too big of a mismatch - the 25G compressor will put alot of stress on the TD06SL2 and probably not recommended for long term high boost usage. Figure the sweet spot is the 20G.
You reckon the TD06H is gonna be a better match for the 25G compressor?
I think the TD06SL2 is a better match with the 20g vs 25g.

KAMAK can make a TD06SL2-25g and we do sell them, but the smaller turbine and housing of the TD06SL2 will become a restriction over 5.5-6k RPM. It will make good midrange power. At least that is what they have experienced with their drift car that uses it with a 8 cm^2 hotside.

Also as BakZamGai mentioned, the compressor and turbine wheels are not super well matched so it adds a lot of pressure to the shaft, so there is some concern when it comes to durability.

I think a TD06SL2-25G could be a fun setup that produces faster torque at the sacrifice of top end power.

I think the TD06H would be better balanced with the 25G and will make more top end sacrificing the spool up time.

The only factor I haven't found a lot of data on is the twinscroll setup with this turbo. Also the hotside for the Kinugawa/KAMAK turbos come in 10 cm^2 so that might help. For instance, will a TD06H-25g actually spool reasonably well on a twin scroll setup, or would it be as laggy as I imagine it would be as a standard single scroll setup on a 2.5 l. Also, perhaps with the 10cm hotside, a twin scroll TD06SL2-25G could continue to make power beyond 6k RPM.
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I bet it would surge like a Mo fu
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Old 03-27-2013, 03:17 PM   #470
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Oh and did I mention fuel rails? By far, Kinugawa carries the best designed top feed rails I have seen in the world.
  • -6 AN radiused fittings with o-rings
  • Radiused port fittings alone cost $6-$20 each from most places!
  • Rails are machined to accept a good o-ring seal with the fittings (just like my fuelab FPR)
  • The -6AN fittings have a backstop in the rail so when assembled, there is a straight barrel
  • One piece design (fittings excluded)
  • Injectors tops fit into "hats" that have stoppers preventing the injector from "poking" into the fuel rail barrel (just like stock rails with a bigger barrel) for a perfect, leak free seal
  • Only gripe is lack of choice for anodized color!

Rails can be bought here.

Kinugawa photo does not tell the whole story of how nice these rails are.
Illuminate us Gabe. I'm looking to do the parallel fuel rail mod and some other bits like TGV deletes in the future. Seems like that would be a good opportunity to move forward with the fuel rails. which ones are USDM ej205 compatible? Here's another thread discussing it:

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=2481984
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Bump for updates. Anyone else get one of these installed on a car. Im very interested in a billet, TD06sl2-20G, 2.4inlet, 8cm turbine housing on my semi built 04 forester xt motor. "Exact same as the 04-05 sti motor"

Car is my Daily driver, I want nice power and not rediculous lag. I do a bit of autox with it so spool in somewhat important. Ill be running on 93oct. for now but have all upgrades needed for E85. Running FIC 1100cc injectors etc...
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Bump for updates. Anyone else get one of these installed on a car. Im very interested in a billet, TD06sl2-20G, 2.4inlet, 8cm turbine housing on my semi built 04 forester xt motor.
Not sure about your specific turbo, but several people in this thread and on the forums are running kinugawas. Installed mine over the weekend, great fitment and install kit with no issues at all. Only got about 150 miles on it, so far so good.
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Old 04-03-2013, 03:42 PM   #474
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I've been running my billet 18g TD06SL-2 at 22-23 psi for the past few months. Finally broke a ring land in my 94k mile untouched 257. It had a rotated 3071R on it for 40k miles before going back to stage two for the 20k miles leading to the Kinugawa install. Still very happy with the turbo. We have 5 other Kinugawa turbos installed locally and everyone is thrilled with them. We put a billet 16g TD05 with upgraded compressor cover on an auto LGT a few weeks ago, that thing is a blast.
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I love my td06sl2 20g 8cm on my forester with out the billet wheel its really a awesome turbo and probably even better with the upgraded wheel. I hit my 23psi between 3800 and 4200 rpm depending on the weather and gear and hold it till redline I am also on a 4eat which slows spool a bit. I am making 375whp rite now on e85 but should crack 400whp this summer on my track map with a little more boost and timing.
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