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Old 04-19-2013, 07:01 AM   #251
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Anyone else made any progress with this? Maybe a way to reprogram it to an off position?
I was thinking about asking the dealer, but until someone does this 3rd party I don't think we will see anything
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Old 04-19-2013, 07:42 AM   #252
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I was thinking about asking the dealer, but until someone does this 3rd party I don't think we will see anything
There's no way the dealer will disable that kind of safety feature! Ask them to disable the airbags too while you're at it!
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Old 04-19-2013, 08:31 AM   #253
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There's no way the dealer will disable that kind of safety feature! Ask them to disable the airbags too while you're at it!
I was more curious if their computer could do it rather than asking if they would actually do it.

Safety feature is highly debatable...I do wish there was a way to disable it although not permanently
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Old 04-19-2013, 08:35 AM   #254
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I was more curious if their computer could do it rather than asking if they would actually do it.

Safety feature is highly debatable...I do wish there was a way to disable it although not permanently
It's not debatable, it's your opinion. Stability control, vdc, abs, airbags, etc have all been PROVEN to be safer than without them.
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Old 04-19-2013, 08:54 AM   #255
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It's not debatable, it's your opinion. Stability control, vdc, abs, airbags, etc have all been PROVEN to be safer than without them.
The one time stability control really tried to "save" me it took me into a curb, without it I would have safely spun out and could have stopped that.

Only proven because the quality of drivers/driving instruction has decreased and these "systems" are now "needed". Just look at the amount of people who have no idea how to operate high beams as an example

If we changed our licensing requirements to require a retest every time you renew, a lot of this crap wouldn't be needed. I highly think we should, but the general public would throw a fit and only because they shouldn't be operating vehicle anyway
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Old 04-19-2013, 09:14 AM   #256
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The one time stability control really tried to "save" me it took me into a curb, without it I would have safely spun out and could have stopped that.
You have no way of knowing that.

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Only proven because the quality of drivers/driving instruction has decreased and these "systems" are now "needed". Just look at the amount of people who have no idea how to operate high beams as an example
Have a link to back this claim up?

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If we changed our licensing requirements to require a retest every time you renew, a lot of this crap wouldn't be needed. I highly think we should, but the general public would throw a fit and only because they shouldn't be operating vehicle anyway
This I agree with but not for the same reason. I think it would be better used to prevent old blue hairs from getting behind the wheel.
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Old 04-19-2013, 09:18 AM   #257
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It's not debatable, it's your opinion. Stability control, vdc, abs, airbags, etc have all been PROVEN to be safer than without them.
In the hands of a completely incompetent moron maybe. In the hands of a relatively experienced driver it is debatable. Unfortunately most drivers fall into the category of not giving one single f**ck about how to drive properly, hence manufacturers tendency to pull this kind of crap on us.
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Old 04-19-2013, 09:27 AM   #258
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In the hands of a completely incompetent moron maybe. In the hands of a relatively experienced driver it is debatable. Unfortunately most drivers fall into the category of not giving one single f**ck about how to drive properly, hence manufacturers tendency to pull this kind of crap on us.
It's not the OEMs doing it, it's the government! Most of this stuff is mandatory now!
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Old 04-19-2013, 09:29 AM   #259
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It's not the OEMs doing it, it's the government! Most of this stuff is mandatory now!
That's because people sue them for everything. We live in a country where nothing could ever possibly be my fault, I should have been protected from X event. Now give me money.
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Old 04-19-2013, 09:30 AM   #260
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In the hands of a completely incompetent moron maybe. In the hands of a relatively experienced driver it is debatable. Unfortunately most drivers fall into the category of not giving one single f**ck about how to drive properly, hence manufacturers tendency to pull this kind of crap on us.
Right, tools to help you maintain stability and traction are unneccessary. While I agree it should be able to be turned off I appreciate having them.

The reason more cars have them now is because cars are faster now then 20 years ago (and technology makes it affordable)

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You have no way of knowing that.

Have a link to back this claim up?

This I agree with but not for the same reason. I think it would be better used to prevent old blue hairs from getting behind the wheel.
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Old 04-19-2013, 10:22 AM   #261
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Right, tools to help you maintain stability and traction are unneccessary. While I agree it should be able to be turned off I appreciate having them.

The reason more cars have them now is because cars are faster now then 20 years ago (and technology makes it affordable)



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Oh I agree, I am very happy to have it. However, this inability to turn it off is just one step too far, and the culmination of several factors making me reconsider how long I want to keep this car in the first place. I really did want to love this car...but seriously, enough with this stability control nonsense. If a driver is too stupid to realize they shouldn't turn off the stability control under normal daily driving and go have an accident, I'm sorry, but there is a contingency for that and it's called natural selection.

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Old 04-19-2013, 10:47 AM   #262
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Oh I agree, I am very happy to have it. However, this inability to turn it off is just one step too far, and the culmination of several factors making me reconsider how long I want to keep this car in the first place. I really did want to love this car...but seriously, enough with this stability control nonsense. If a driver is too stupid to realize they shouldn't turn off the stability control under normal daily driving and go have an accident, I'm sorry, but there is a contingency for that and it's called natural selection.
Didn't you realize you couldn't turn it off before you made the purchase?
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Old 04-19-2013, 10:56 AM   #263
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Didn't you realize you couldn't turn it off before you made the purchase?
I had been made to understand it only took effect when the car reached extreme angles if the trac-control switch was pressed. This is not true, it takes effect immediately. I can't really think of any car in it's price range where it can be turned off other than the Fiat 500 Abarth edition. Hence my distaste of newer cars (performance models notwithstanding). Too many computers and driver aids...
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Old 04-19-2013, 11:19 AM   #264
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You have no way of knowing that.
I do, when I tried to correct the car wouldn't accept my input

Yes vdc has a purpose, but it shouldn't be mandatory. Just like tpms or low oil lights, those are tasks the drivers should be performing

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Old 04-19-2013, 01:04 PM   #265
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Old 04-19-2013, 01:39 PM   #266
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Old 06-18-2013, 02:06 PM   #267
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I found a way to disable VDC/ABS/TC on the Crosstrek and posted it here. It leaves the steering intact and the speedo/trip computer keeps working. No throttle cut at 4 grand. It does kill cruise control though.

http://www.subaruxvforum.com/forum/s...uestion-3.html

It might be the same for the impreza. I have the manual, it's supposed to work for the CVT also.

Off road use only disclaimer applies.
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Old 06-18-2013, 04:56 PM   #268
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Awesome!
Now to wire up a switch to disable the fuse rather than pull it every time
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Old 06-18-2013, 10:17 PM   #269
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If people still think the VDC button doesn't work they're drunk.

Go on a patch of snow or ice (or this time of year, very loose gravel) and smash your foot to the floor with VDC on then off, notice a difference? You sure do!
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I found a way to disable VDC/ABS/TC on the Crosstrek and posted it here. It leaves the steering intact and the speedo/trip computer keeps working. No throttle cut at 4 grand. It does kill cruise control though.

http://www.subaruxvforum.com/forum/s...uestion-3.html

It might be the same for the impreza. I have the manual, it's supposed to work for the CVT also.

Off road use only disclaimer applies.
Someone needs to go try this on the Impreza to confirm it works on our cars too. I can't imagine any reason why it wouldn't, but it would be good to know. I would do it myself but I don't really have anywhere safe to test it out at.
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If people still think the VDC button doesn't work they're drunk.

Go on a patch of snow or ice (or this time of year, very loose gravel) and smash your foot to the floor with VDC on then off, notice a difference? You sure do!
That's because even though the owners manual calls it a vdc switch, it's actually a traction control switch.
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That's because even though the owners manual calls it a vdc switch, it's actually a traction control switch.
Well what the **** do you want them to do? Install a button that turns of ABS, traction control, stability control, airbags, and **** why not the engine itself?
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Well what the **** do you want them to do? Install a button that turns of ABS, traction control, stability control, airbags, and **** why not the engine itself?
That would be nice actually.
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Well what the **** do you want them to do? Install a button that turns of ABS, traction control, stability control, airbags, and **** why not the engine itself?
Ummm...well if you want to have the functionality to turn off VDC, then absolutely!! With the exception of the ABS, and your smartass remarks of the airbags and engine, that's EXACTLY what vehicles with true VDC switches do!!

You really need to calm the hell down though! Stop trying to be an Internet tough guy just because I pointed out something you don't like.
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Old 06-19-2013, 12:24 PM   #275
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Well what the **** do you want them to do? Install a button that turns of ABS, traction control, stability control, airbags, and **** why not the engine itself?
I think there actually may be a switch to turn off the engine.
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