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Old 10-15-2012, 06:32 PM   #1776
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Who wants my 257 block?! Going to sell it for cheap! Has wiseco pistons,acl bearings. New rods.. Has about 10k miles on it, she did suffer fro
Lots of blow by.. That's why it's cheap, cause it wouldn't hurt to put new rings in it
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Old 10-15-2012, 06:37 PM   #1777
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Catless DPs are illegal, but tend to flow better If I'm not mistaken. I think they are better on gas mileage too, (probably not significantly though.)

Most all of us have catless downpipes. Mines a 3in invidia catless downpipe and I've never been pulled over. You most likely won't get harrassed for having catless.


Also unrelated, I got placed in my new job today . Sav-on Pharmacy inside Albertsons. So come say hi to me when you need drugs
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Old 10-15-2012, 06:56 PM   #1778
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At the Benton Albertsons? I'm in there all the time haha.

I'm not really worried about police with it. I ran my Mustang GT open headers for 2 weeks while I was waiting for a part, and I never got pulled over for the exhaust being too loud.

If there isn't a benefit to having cats in the DP then I may just grab one. Ebay was a good suggestion, there are probably a million of them on there haha. And here I figured I would be paying around $600 for a DP.
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Old 10-15-2012, 07:01 PM   #1779
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I just put that invidia 3" DP on mine as well and besides the emissions (mines registered in Texas) the castles is pretty great
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Old 10-15-2012, 07:02 PM   #1780
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^^ it works pretty great
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Old 10-15-2012, 07:06 PM   #1781
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Yup, Benton. You'll probably be seeing my Silver Bugeye there quite a bit in the near future.

I got my DP for $285 shipped.
My 3in catback is eBay. Got that for $110 shipped. No complaints so far. Otherthan maybe it's a touch on the loud side, but I'm fine with it.
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Old 10-15-2012, 07:18 PM   #1782
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Just make sure you get a quality tune for the pasts though.
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Old 10-15-2012, 07:19 PM   #1783
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I got my whole turbo back off eBay for $300 shipped.
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Old 10-15-2012, 08:23 PM   #1784
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I am seeing DPs for as low as $70. I'll probably go a bit more expensive than that, I don't want to get a horrible part. There are full exhausts systems (headers, UP, TBE) for around $380.

I'm leaning towards a Godspeed DP with high flow cat (so that a mechanic can install it as I don't currently have the tools needed to install it myself), and an AP.

Got the car back from the dealer today and they said everything checks out mechanically. I had them regrease the rear struts while they were under there. Figured why not? A little preventative maintenance never hurt anyone haha.
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Old 10-15-2012, 09:40 PM   #1785
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I'm sure someone on here would be willing to help you put your dp on. They are really easy.
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Old 10-15-2012, 10:11 PM   #1786
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I'm going to read a how to on installing it and see if I have the tools. I need a jack and stands for sure. The wrenches I will probably have, and I can pick up some loctite for the bolts.

It may be a minute before I pick one up though. I may just go AP first, and grab the DP in a week or two.
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Old 10-15-2012, 10:17 PM   #1787
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They are easy to install. You can almost take the whole car apart with a 12/14/16 socket and open end.
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Old 10-15-2012, 10:44 PM   #1788
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If you look around you may find a good used one for cheap... I picked my turbo xs dp up for 75 bucks! Then I got the m2 catback. Love it so far!
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Old 10-15-2012, 11:06 PM   #1789
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Found a Cobb DP on ebay that I am bidding on. If that goes too high I started looking around and have found a few that aren't too expensive but are well known brands.

I have a neighbor that was always yelling at me for my bike being too loud (CBR 600RR with a Two Bros slip on, I will admit it was pretty loud), and my truck being too loud as well. So I am looking for an exhaust that is fairly quiet at idle, yet will sound excellent when I am going.

And now I'm off to the gym. Le sigh.
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Old 10-15-2012, 11:11 PM   #1790
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Don't use loctite on those bolts!

Also, which gym.
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Old 10-16-2012, 12:09 AM   #1791
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I'm going to read a how to on installing it and see if I have the tools. ...and I can pick up some loctite for the bolts.
1. As has already been said: No loctite. You want just the opposite: anti-seize on exhaust studs n bolts. But yes, do use it something on them. And get some PB-blaster/penetrating oil, and take your time. Those turbo outlet bolts/studs aren't very fun to mess up n replace.
And it doesn't take much to do a full exhaust: jack, stands, 14mm wrench and ratchet/socket for the piping flange hardware, 10mm for the turbo heat shield (and some shears/grinder to cut n re-install it, or replace it later with something else) That's about it. pretty simple.
As far as cats? only Boise area has emission in our state, so over here it doesn't matter, other than your conscience/green values. A good high-flow cat makes no power loss vs open pipe, but they do cost more of course.
And honestly, that "godspeed" brand is just about the same as any other cheap ebay chinese-made one. Unless its a real big name (Cobb, invidia, tomei, injen, etc), than its just one of the cheapos, marked up above $75. There are some differences in the inlet design, and perhaps number of extra ports for O2. If you want a slightly better quality, but still want cheap price, just get a used one off here. I've also used the cheapo $75ebay ones with no problems either, and pretty darn good fitment. Underpaid Chinese kids have gotten so much better at welding these days.
Lastly, OS tuning take really no time at all, but i do understand the comfort factor with the AP. Should be able to fetch a used AP V2 for your car for around $400 as well, just make sure it comes unmarried. (honest/trustworthy/known person should cover that)
Oh, and muffler wise, there are a few designed to be quiet/low (at least at low rpm's), such as the Borla twin-tip (aka Hush), Cobb, even some ebay options with full-bodied mufflers now instead of fart cans. Also, the factory STi catback doesn't present a real flow issue for stock/stg2 power levels when coupled to an aftermarket DP. Or even just get a cheapo ebay catback and remove the giant fartcan and install a magnaflow 7" round or something similar. Will sound nice.

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They are easy to install. You can almost take the whole car apart with a 12/14/16 socket and open end.
I would almost agree... except there are no 16mm bolt heads on Asian cars

But 8/10/12/14/17/19 would about cover every bolt on the Subaru (and most other brands). Toss in an occasional 22/24 (cranks, O2's) & 30/32 (axles). Not really sure why common metric wrench assortments even come with 11, 13, 15, 16, 18 etc...

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Define cheap... drop me a txt if you'd like.

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Old 10-16-2012, 12:18 AM   #1792
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Well, the red '10 is gone, and good riddance. Damn thing was a nightmare. Took a raping just to get it off our books. It sat on the lot in Rexburg where I got the '11 but they put it in the back and it didn't get any interest at all. I talked to Phil Meador sales about putting it on consignment down there and they offered to buy it outright for $26.5K and they'd even go get it from Rexburg for me. I said no problem! I was headed down the next day to sign the paperwork and they called and said nevermind, they don't want it and it wasn't running right. I asked the sales guy to have their service department take a look and let me know...I would fix whatever's wrong even if they didn't want to buy it. He said he'd have the service manager call me to talk about their cost for diagnostics. Next day the sales guy calls me again and says the car was now back up at the Rexburg dealer. Needless to say I was a little stunned they would transport my car back up there without asking permission, much less refuse to help me figure out what was wrong with the car, if anything. I'm assuming they were simply put off by the noise coming from the shifter and that it had a Perrin intake pipe, but they could be ****ing honest and say they don't want to buy a modified car (they could have asked about that before they made their offer, all he wanted was the VIN...I"m assuming the warrantied transaxle showed up on there). Meador seems to have a really good rep among most but as far as I'm concerned if they were on fire I might throw them a warm cup of piss followed by a gasoline chaser.
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Old 10-16-2012, 12:49 AM   #1793
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1. As has already been said: No loctite. You want just the opposite: anti-seize on exhaust studs n bolts. But yes, do use it something on them. And get some PB-blaster/penetrating oil, and take your time. Those turbo outlet bolts/studs aren't very fun to mess up n replace.
And it doesn't take much to do a full exhaust: jack, stands, 14mm wrench and ratchet/socket for the piping flange hardware, 10mm for the turbo heat shield (and some shears/grinder to cut n re-install it, or replace it later with something else) That's about it. pretty simple.
Excellent. That sounds fairly straight forward. I plan on taking plenty of time with the DP install. I've rushed part installs on previous cars and paid the price later for it.

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As far as cats? only Boise area has emission in our state, so over here it doesn't matter, other than your conscience/green values. A good high-flow cat makes no power loss vs open pipe, but they do cost more of course.
And honestly, that "godspeed" brand is just about the same as any other cheap ebay chinese-made one. Unless its a real big name (Cobb, invidia, tomei, injen, etc), than its just one of the cheapos, marked up above $75. There are some differences in the inlet design, and perhaps number of extra ports for O2. If you want a slightly better quality, but still want cheap price, just get a used one off here. I've also used the cheapo $75ebay ones with no problems either, and pretty darn good fitment. Underpaid Chinese kids have gotten so much better at welding these days.
LOL. After looking at the ebay brands I did some searching and decided to not go with a brand that isn't well recognized. I figure I can either spend a little more and know that it will fit properly and perform well, or spend a bit less and have possible fitment or other issues and end up spending more in the long run.

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Lastly, OS tuning take really no time at all, but i do understand the comfort factor with the AP. Should be able to fetch a used AP V2 for your car for around $400 as well, just make sure it comes unmarried. (honest/trustworthy/known person should cover that)
Oh, and muffler wise, there are a few designed to be quiet/low (at least at low rpm's), such as the Borla twin-tip (aka Hush), Cobb, even some ebay options with full-bodied mufflers now instead of fart cans. Also, the factory STi catback doesn't present a real flow issue for stock/stg2 power levels when coupled to an aftermarket DP. Or even just get a cheapo ebay catback and remove the giant fartcan and install a magnaflow 7" round or something similar. Will sound nice.
Thats mainly what I am willing to spend the extra money on for the AP, the comfort of just being able to plug it in, upload the tune, and be golden. I have checked out several different cat-backs, and I am in love with the way the Cobb sounds. I will probably get AP and DP now, and the Cobb in a few weeks. I prefer to get the DP install done before the really cold weather sets in.

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Meador seems to have a really good rep among most but as far as I'm concerned if they were on fire I might throw them a warm cup of piss followed by a gasoline chaser.
I have heard some real crap about the Toyota and Subaru stores. I can't really say much for the Ford store from a new customer perspective, but my family has dealt with them since they first opened (over by the current Fred Meyer building), and I have worked for them as a lot dude on two different occasions, so they probably treat me extra nice. I knew a girl that bought a Camry from the Toyota store and called him "Phil Cheator" from the next day forward haha.

Also, I work out at Golds RedCelica. Best facilities in town IMHO.
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Old 10-16-2012, 02:20 AM   #1794
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Wow, this thread has blown up in the last 12 hours!
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As far as a DP goes, is there a benefit to getting a catted DP vs a catless DP? I am planning on doing TBE and Tune, and that's it besides some suspension such as sway bars/end links etc. I'm thinking that the TBE and tune will be enough power for a DD.
First of all, welcome. I think I am the only one here with a catted non-stock DP. The main reason I wanted one is that I want to eventually move to Seattle or Portland and don't want to jump through additional hoops when I do. I also understand there are fewer issues with boost creep with catted DPs.

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I have heard some real crap about the Toyota and Subaru stores. I can't really say much for the Ford store from a new customer perspective, but my family has dealt with them since they first opened (over by the current Fred Meyer building), and I have worked for them as a lot dude on two different occasions, so they probably treat me extra nice. I knew a girl that bought a Camry from the Toyota store and called him "Phil Cheator" from the next day forward haha.
I bought my car from the Subie store, can't say I had any problems. But really who we talk up are parts and service. The parts manager, Brant, is in our club and hooks us up with parts, as well as knowing a lot when we have questions about parts. And ever since they got rid of that waste-of-space Tyler, service has been great also. Nick tends to hook the club up as well, but even the new guy is a huge improvement over the tool he replaced.
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Old 10-16-2012, 09:14 AM   #1795
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Wow, this thread has blown up in the last 12 hours!

First of all, welcome. I think I am the only one here with a catted non-stock DP.
I installed a catted DP on the Saabaru, therefore SinisterMatti has one...unless he switched it out. I also installed a catted one on the LGT. I figure for a few extra $$$ I can produce less pollutuon while increasing my performance? Seemed like a win-win for me.
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Wow, this thread has blown up in the last 12 hours!

First of all, welcome. I think I am the only one here with a catted non-stock DP. The main reason I wanted one is that I want to eventually move to Seattle or Portland and don't want to jump through additional hoops when I do. I also understand there are fewer issues with boost creep with catted DPs.

I bought my car from the Subie store, can't say I had any problems. But really who we talk up are parts and service. The parts manager, Brant, is in our club and hooks us up with parts, as well as knowing a lot when we have questions about parts. And ever since they got rid of that waste-of-space Tyler, service has been great also. Nick tends to hook the club up as well, but even the new guy is a huge improvement over the tool he replaced.
Thanks! I am glad to hear that there are decent people at the Subaru store. I've mainly heard bad things about the Toyota store, and just extrapolated that to the Subaru store as well. I should know better.

From what I understand, the AP tune will get rid of any boost creep issues with having a catless downpipe. Right now I am leaning towards the Invidia Catless. Decent price, good brand, and there are quite a few videos on YouTube of the sound with different catbacks and I like most of them.

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I installed a catted DP on the Saabaru, therefore SinisterMatti has one...unless he switched it out. I also installed a catted one on the LGT. I figure for a few extra $$$ I can produce less pollutuon while increasing my performance? Seemed like a win-win for me.
That is what would have held me to a Catted, that and boost creep. But with an AP being added at the same time as the DP I won't have to worry about Boost Creep.
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Old 10-16-2012, 02:32 PM   #1797
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I installed a catted DP on the Saabaru, therefore SinisterMatti has one...unless he switched it out. I also installed a catted one on the LGT. I figure for a few extra $$$ I can produce less pollutuon while increasing my performance? Seemed like a win-win for me.
I left it in there. I was really happy it was catted when I first saw your ad.
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Old 10-16-2012, 04:53 PM   #1798
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I installed a catted DP on the Saabaru, therefore SinisterMatti has one...unless he switched it out.
I didn't know that. Sounded catless to me. I know with my catted DP I can't hear the turbo spool through the DP (though I can through the intake).
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Old 10-16-2012, 06:57 PM   #1799
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Tac, your car looks nice, you passed me earlier on yellowstone.

Also, just over 2 hours to a bacon cheese burger with cajun fries.
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Mmmmm..... Wish I could have 5 guys!
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