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Old 03-18-2012, 09:40 PM   #1
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Default Will the automatic STI ever make it to North America?

So i see Austrailia is offering 2012 Stis in automatic...has anyone heard if it will be coming to North America...would be nice to have a competitor to the G37X and 335xi...any thoughts.

I dont want this to be a OMG why do you want a slush box episode...
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Old 03-18-2012, 09:43 PM   #2
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I don't feel like the STi would compete with the g37x or 335xi even if it did have an automatic
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Old 03-18-2012, 09:45 PM   #3
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I would rather have an automatic. A auto will always shift faster than a person. A 6speed auto with a manual shift function and a trans brake ftw!
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Old 03-18-2012, 09:50 PM   #4
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I hope not ........
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Old 03-18-2012, 09:52 PM   #5
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dual clutch Sti would be awesome! Faster the any human can shift and is more bearable as a daily driver WIN WIN!
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Old 03-18-2012, 10:05 PM   #6
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I don't care about how must faster a DSG can shift. I care about driver enjoyment, and a manual transmission provides much more of that to me.

Anyway, when we were at the Canadian International Auto Show last month, my dad asked about that (possibility of an auto STI) and if they planned on bringing any diesels over. No plans of either so far, they said.

Will we ever get it? I don't know (and hope not).
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Old 03-18-2012, 10:08 PM   #7
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I don't feel like the STi would compete with the g37x or 335xi even if it did have an automatic
a 335xi...sure because the xi is AWD, and its heavy.

335i > sti all day.
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Old 03-18-2012, 10:16 PM   #8
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I don't care about how must faster a DSG can shift. I care about driver enjoyment, and a manual transmission provides much more of that to me.

Anyway, when we were at the Canadian International Auto Show last month, my dad asked about that (possibility of an auto STI) and if they planned on bringing any diesels over. No plans of either so far, they said.

Will we ever get it? I don't know (and hope not).
But Subaru bringing an auto transmission STI to this side of the pond wouldn't affect our ability to purchase manual versions, would it? As long as the auto trans is an option, it can't hurt. Manuals are usually cheaper than their automatic counterparts, no? Dealerships might have different allocations that would make it slightly more difficult to find a manual car on the lot, but nothing ordering and a little waiting can't fix. I guess the exclusivity might decrease a bit with an automatic transmission as the option would probably increase sales a bit.

I wouldn't mind if it happened. I probably will never buy an automatic car unless, God forbid, I hurt myself and can't use my left leg. But I'm sure there are people out there who would appreciate an automatic STI.
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Old 03-18-2012, 10:21 PM   #9
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But Subaru bringing an auto transmission STI to this side of the pond wouldn't affect our ability to purchase manual versions, would it?
Maybe, maybe not. You can't get a 6 speed manual in the EVO X. You can still get a 5 speed. But, If you want a 6 speed you have to find a used EVO 9 MR.
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Old 03-18-2012, 10:27 PM   #10
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Ah true. I could actually see that happening with Subaru. Once the WRX separates itself from the Impreza line, we have a 6-speed manual WRX and then an automatic paddle-shift transmission for the WRX STI [Note: This is all hypothetical. Online magazines do not have my permission to quote this.]. That would be a sad day.
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Old 03-18-2012, 10:30 PM   #11
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I'm surprised the us didn't get the auto sti first actually. I wouldn't be surprised if we got it soon. America loves the smush box.
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Old 03-18-2012, 11:27 PM   #12
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Manuals are usually cheaper than their automatic counterparts, no?
Not always, some cars are more expensive to get as an MT than AT.

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I'm surprised the us didn't get the auto sti first actually. I wouldn't be surprised if we got it soon. America loves the smush box.
America doesn't like ATs as much as America loves being lazy, and because America loves being lazy, America drives cars with ATs.

I'll stick to my MT for as long as I can
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Old 03-18-2012, 11:40 PM   #13
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But Subaru bringing an auto transmission STI to this side of the pond wouldn't affect our ability to purchase manual versions, would it? As long as the auto trans is an option, it can't hurt. Manuals are usually cheaper than their automatic counterparts, no? Dealerships might have different allocations that would make it slightly more difficult to find a manual car on the lot, but nothing ordering and a little waiting can't fix. I guess the exclusivity might decrease a bit with an automatic transmission as the option would probably increase sales a bit.

I wouldn't mind if it happened. I probably will never buy an automatic car unless, God forbid, I hurt myself and can't use my left leg. But I'm sure there are people out there who would appreciate an automatic STI.
While it probably wouldn't affect our ability to purchase a new manual transmission STI, the only STI I'll be able to afford for a while will be a used one, and I don't want to have to sift through automatics when looking to buy one!
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Old 03-18-2012, 11:42 PM   #14
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a 335xi...sure because the xi is AWD, and its heavy.

335i > sti all day.
Yea that and they have a turbo is about all they have in common. I feel the level of luxury in the BMW puts it in a slightly different class.
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Old 03-18-2012, 11:43 PM   #15
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I would rather have an automatic. A auto will always shift faster than a person. A 6speed auto with a manual shift function and a trans brake ftw!
Pretty sure I can shift faster than my old 4eat. That thing was a POS.

If it is like the GTR's transmission, I'll take it, if not, I'll pass.
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Old 03-19-2012, 12:19 AM   #16
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Right, the STi with the automatic transmission has less torque than the manual version, and is a 5 speed too.
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Old 03-19-2012, 12:23 AM   #17
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Yea that and they have a turbo is about all they have in common. I feel the level of luxury in the BMW puts it in a slightly different class.
Agreed. I was really considering the 335i before I bought the STi but after driving it, I ruled it out immediately. It felt like it lumbered a bit, was far too big, and really didn't feel exhilarating to drive. Don't get me wrong, it was a very nice vehicle, the level of luxury blows the STi away and the brakes are AWESOME! To me though, the STi was simply more fun, more visceral to drive. On top of that, the STi is AWD, which is important to me.

Oh, and if you don't mod your car, you don't have to worry about your reliability (or more specifically the fuel pump going out every 5K miles).
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Old 03-19-2012, 12:28 AM   #18
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Right, the STi with the automatic transmission has less torque than the manual version, and is a 5 speed too.
the only reason people preach the 6 speed is because of the increased strength over the 5MT. the number of gears means relatively little.
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Old 03-19-2012, 12:33 AM   #19
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I test drove one when I was shopping for my WRX and you can have it, the auto is crap. Until Subaru put a decent DSG / dual clutch setup in them, get a manual.
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Old 03-19-2012, 12:34 AM   #20
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Funny coming from a kid who has never driven
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Old 03-19-2012, 12:57 AM   #21
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Funny coming from a kid who has never driven
You don't have to drive a real car to have a sense of what makes you enjoy driving...

I have a Porsche 911 Turbo S wheel by Fanatec with a 6-speed shifter and a pedal set with gas, brake and clutch. I used to play Xbox 360 racing games exclusively but now since I've upgraded my PC I've just started getting into PC sim racing and have started playing LFS (Live for Speed).

No, it's not exactly like driving a real car but I can definitely tell that I prefer driving a manual over an automatic. Driving with paddle shifters doesn't even do it for me.

Here's exactly what my setup looks like:

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You don't have to drive a real car to have a sense of what makes you enjoy driving...

Here's exactly what my setup looks like:
I was just giving you a hard time. But I think you are underestimating real experience. Comparing video games to actual driving is like comparing masturbating to sex.

And no need for the pic of your setup, you whore that room of yours out all over the interwebs.
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Old 03-19-2012, 03:09 AM   #23
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I don't mind automatics in general, but I'd be concerned just because companies have a nasty habit of following this pattern:

Offer manual only sports car
Offer an automatic option for one year
Automatic option sells more then manual
No longer offer a manual option

I think the only reason it didn't happen with the WRX is because the automatic box they offered was so god awful. If they put a halfway decent slush box in the STI it might be the beginning of the end.
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Old 03-19-2012, 03:52 AM   #24
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I was just giving you a hard time. But I think you are underestimating real experience. Comparing video games to actual driving is like comparing masturbating to sex.

And no need for the pic of your setup, you whore that room of yours out all over the interwebs.
He can't compare those two either you realise.
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Old 03-19-2012, 03:54 AM   #25
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the only reason people preach the 6 speed is because of the increased strength over the 5MT. the number of gears means relatively little.
I know. But I don't want n00bs to think it has a 6 speed auto.
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