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Old 11-24-2013, 06:12 PM   #1
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Default NHTSA claims power to regulate smartphones in cars, will issue guidelines next year

http://www.autoblog.com/2013/11/24/n...-will-issue-g/

I can see how how this can be taken to a horrible extreme or a relatively livable constraint. ;D The only reason why I care is because I use my smartphone as my dash cam. Other than that I'm more worried about OTHER people on the road trying to find workarounds so they can do dumbass things like text and drive. But at least there are going to be guidelines now. I'm sure that will make things easier on the horrible MyFord Touch system though LOL .

Other people not wearing their seat belts is fine with me though as long as they're not in my car or my family. ;D Natural selection.

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Back in April, the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration released voluntary guidelines covering the use of in-car infotainment and communications in the hopes that automakers would reconfigure their systems to make them safer. But on Tuesday, NHTSA administrator David Strickland said at a congressional hearing that the administration has the authority to set vehicle smartphone guidelines and will release new voluntary guidelines next year, casting a wider net than the ones released in April, The Detroit News reports. This marks the first time NHTSA has said it has the authority to regulate portable devices, including smartphones, under the Motor Vehicle Safety Act.

Striking a balance between too little and too much regulation is crucial to facilitate technological innovation in vehicles, though automakers reportedly want some sort of official direction from NHTSA. "It is an evolving area of technology. We believe that guidelines gives us the ability to find the margin of safety and still keep innovation," Strickland said in an interview with The Detroit News.

NHTSA will work with device manufacturers, application developers and the telecommunications industry on the implementation of the portable device guideline, "to make sure all of these things are working in the proper zone of safety," according to The Detroit News.
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Old 11-24-2013, 08:41 PM   #2
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They should have speed based disabling of the texting function required on all phones. I can see people complaining because they may be a passenger or riding a train, but that's what happens when idiots ruin it for the rest of us.
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Old 11-24-2013, 11:13 PM   #3
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Most phones already have imbedded motion detection. Most will automatically reply to messages stock answers like " I'm driving now and cannot text back. As for passengers most NAVS don't recognize a passenger is operating it. But smart people always know how to get around all these things anyway.
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Old 11-24-2013, 11:26 PM   #4
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They should have speed based disabling of the texting function required on all phones. I can see people complaining because they may be a passenger or riding a train, but that's what happens when idiots ruin it for the rest of us.
Wouldn't that require the GPS portion of the phone to be running all of the time?
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Old 11-24-2013, 11:30 PM   #5
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Typical government overreaching. Next thing you know your own phone will lock you out when your engine is running or something equally obtuse. God forbid the passenger in my car answers my phone or replies to a text or changes the song for me.
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Old 11-24-2013, 11:35 PM   #6
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They should have speed based disabling of the texting function required on all phones. I can see people complaining because they may be a passenger or riding a train, but that's what happens when idiots ruin it for the rest of us.
Yes, because when I'm making the 12 hour drive home for holidays or even going 40 minutes across town with my wife i enjoy being in the passenger seat unable to communicate with anybody because some idiot ruined it. There are tons of things you could completely eliminate from public use because some idiots ruined it. Oh, some drive drunk so lets eliminate cars so they cant drive drunk.
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Old 11-25-2013, 01:41 AM   #7
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Ban the assault-phones!
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Old 11-25-2013, 08:41 AM   #8
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If you can't legally drive while using it, then it shouldn't be allowed to work while driving, simple as that. In fact it shouldn't be installed in the car where the driver could even have access to it. I am sick of the idiots texting, have a phone to their ear, fiddling with their large NAV screens, etc while driving with other peoples lives at risk. Lets get back to doing what the car was designed to do, and DRIVE!
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Old 11-25-2013, 09:26 AM   #9
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Lets get back to doing what the car was designed to do, and DRIVE!
Fundamentally I agree, but dumbass fiddling with nav screen > dumbass trying to read directions from a piece of paper.
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Old 11-25-2013, 10:48 AM   #10
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It's more an issue of we have a society that lacks discretion and self control. Take 1 second to look over at nav and press "next" button? That causes no real issue. People look at their radios and side mirrors for that long and lose sight of direct ahead vision. The issue is when people stare at the nav or phone for 10 seconds at a time without bothering to keep tabs on what is going on around them.
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Old 11-25-2013, 11:22 AM   #11
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Yes, because when I'm making the 12 hour drive home for holidays or even going 40 minutes across town with my wife i enjoy being in the passenger seat unable to communicate with anybody because some idiot ruined it. There are tons of things you could completely eliminate from public use because some idiots ruined it. Oh, some drive drunk so lets eliminate cars so they cant drive drunk.
Yep, that's what I'm saying, the lowest common denominator general public has ruined this for responsible people. And again, I'm only suggesting the texting be disabled, you could still use the voice portion of your cell phone.
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If you can't legally drive while using it, then it shouldn't be allowed to work while driving, simple as that. In fact it shouldn't be installed in the car where the driver could even have access to it. I am sick of the idiots texting, have a phone to their ear, fiddling with their large NAV screens, etc while driving with other peoples lives at risk. Lets get back to doing what the car was designed to do, and DRIVE!
My Prius nav screen only allows you to input a destination via the screen when the vehicle is parked. You have to use voice commands if driving. Guess what the biggest complaint on priuschat is... can't input destinations by touch when moving.
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Old 11-25-2013, 11:52 AM   #13
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Seems like they might have the power to affect things which are part of the car, but not smartphones in general. Many people do not own a car, so a blanket "GPS says you are moving, therefore no texting" regulation on smartphones is not going to fly.

Along those lines, what I'd really like to see from automakers is for them to get out of the electronic gadget business altogether. The car has a lifespan of 11+ years, but the same is not true of electronic stuff like smartphones and navigation systems. We'd be better off with a simplification of the technology that is attached to the car, offloading all the good stuff to a smartphone. Just give me a nice big touchscreen and a standardized interface so my phone can use it.

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Most phones already have imbedded motion detection. Most will automatically reply to messages stock answers like " I'm driving now and cannot text back.
Most? Neither iPhone nor Android do it out-of-the-box, and iPhone can't do it at all.

Also, the only motion detection embedded into a phone is the GPS. Lots of phones have accelerometers, but that only works if you are accelerating.
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Old 11-25-2013, 12:15 PM   #14
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While it perturbs me when people are driving poorly due to being distracted by their smartphone, I cannot support any further government intrusion into this area. People need to be responsible for their own actions. If it is proven that use of a smartphone was directly related to the accident, then it should be a compounding factor in adjudicating the case. (Stiffer penalties for distracted driving)

Now I do understand that "proving" a driver was using their smartphone at the time of an accident would be difficult with current technology. But like with many, many things, when people do stupid things, the government responds by taking freedoms away from the people. I cannot support this.
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Old 11-25-2013, 12:51 PM   #15
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Along those lines, what I'd really like to see from automakers is for them to get out of the electronic gadget business altogether. The car has a lifespan of 11+ years, but the same is not true of electronic stuff like smartphones and navigation systems.
Amen!
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Old 11-25-2013, 01:18 PM   #16
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a good thing about this is manufacturers have to meet certain guidelines, and in doing so they'll have to advance some of the technologies to meet these guidelines. also allow these technologies to force and trickle down to cheaper cars. kind of like airbags.

a big thing i think is voice command, i think we are getting there but current systems are still not perfect.
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Old 11-25-2013, 01:36 PM   #17
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Mixed feelings about this. I see a hell of a lot of people txting, mapping, and talking on their cell/smart phones while driving. It's definitely become a big problem in terms of the amount of distracted drivers on the road.

OTOH, it's already illegal here; $250 ticket I think, and they don't need another violation to pull you for it. I don't see why this can't just be handled legally, like any other traffic violation. As long as the penalty isn't just a slap on the wrist.
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Along those lines, what I'd really like to see from automakers is for them to get out of the electronic gadget business altogether. The car has a lifespan of 11+ years, but the same is not true of electronic stuff like smartphones and navigation systems. We'd be better off with a simplification of the technology that is attached to the car, offloading all the good stuff to a smartphone. Just give me a nice big touchscreen and a standardized interface so my phone can use it.
+1 for this. I hate all these proprietary systems that either don't work, or work just OK, but in the end the Nav systems end up out of date.
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OTOH, it's already illegal here; $250 ticket I think, and they don't need another violation to pull you for it. I don't see why this can't just be handled legally, like any other traffic violation. As long as the penalty isn't just a slap on the wrist.
I agree but there are usually issues with actual enforcement. What good is a law if it is not enforced. Out here, texting and driving is illegal but doesn't stop people as I see it all the time. It just comes down to the mentality of what is a priority for them.
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I agree but there are usually issues with actual enforcement. What good is a law if it is not enforced. Out here, texting and driving is illegal but doesn't stop people as I see it all the time. It just comes down to the mentality of what is a priority for them.
If the only way to stop people from texting while driving is to catch them in the act, it suggests to me that the problem is not actually texting while driving, but the perception.
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If the only way to stop people from texting while driving is to catch them in the act, it suggests to me that the problem is not actually texting while driving, but the perception.
Or the enforcement (lazy cops/cops who don't care for whatever reason).

People speed around here in the strangest ways. They get on the interstate going 45 mph after merging, and then 10 minutes later they're on your ass going 75 in a 55, when you're already doing 64 (statistically the threshold for cops pulling you over is most likely 10-15 mph as shown in my remedial driving course after being caught street racing when I was 16).

Cops around here have insanely high tolerances for speeders. Then again, we also have tons of checkpoints everywhere for drunk drivers because of how bad the problem had gotten. Still, ultimately lies with the law enforcers to sway public opinion if your population just decides it wants to ignore the law. I don't think adding MORE law or mandating it on the manufacturing side of things is a good answer. The more difficult way of changing the public opinion to look down on it is better in the long run, because it preserves freedom.
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My Prius nav screen only allows you to input a destination via the screen when the vehicle is parked. You have to use voice commands if driving. Guess what the biggest complaint on priuschat is... can't input destinations by touch when moving.
Its a Toyota feature. Extremely annoying and they should probably allow it when there is a passenger (use the airbag weight sensor) in the car.
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It probably has to be done. I've been driving since the late 80's and since the advent of smart phones the amount of people I see on the roads wandering in and out of their lane has gone up 500%. It literally went from the odd drunk driver you would see on a weekend to multiple cars daily as it's usually some girl with her head in her lap trying to text and drive. My issue is that there are way too many drivers on the roads today that are barely competent to driver under the perfect circumstances and when you introduce a distraction like a smart phone you are just asking for trouble.

How many of you have been stuck at a light that turns green because the idiot ahead of you is reading their phone and not looking at the lights. It's a big problem IMO and it's probably going to be dealt with much harsher in time as the distracted driving laws haven't stopped anyone.
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While it perturbs me when people are driving poorly due to being distracted by their smartphone, I cannot support any further government intrusion into this area. People need to be responsible for their own actions. If it is proven that use of a smartphone was directly related to the accident, then it should be a compounding factor in adjudicating the case. (Stiffer penalties for distracted driving)

Now I do understand that "proving" a driver was using their smartphone at the time of an accident would be difficult with current technology. But like with many, many things, when people do stupid things, the government responds by taking freedoms away from the people. I cannot support this.
That's sort of the foundation of government, giving up "freedoms" in exchange for safety. However, if you don't want to give up the freedom of texting while driving, then I would suggest supporting $10,000+ fines and prison as an alternative. Unfortunately, the majority of people don't care enough about each others well being, that they will have to be penalized harshly enough to make doing the right thing a better alternative than not.
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