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Old 03-22-2012, 04:41 PM   #1
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Default New Civic Type-R will have turbo.

http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/news/au...Outbrain+Honda

Meanwhile likely it wont be coming to the US as honda never seems to bring their type rs here.


210hp on 2.0? Didn't they do that NA?
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Old 03-22-2012, 05:08 PM   #2
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Seriously? After spending the last few years building awesomely mediocre cars, they finally have a chance to be taken seriously again, and instead they build a 2.0t motor with 210 bhp? Is Honda just trying to see how bad they can be compared to the competition and keep selling cars based on a name?
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Old 03-22-2012, 05:19 PM   #3
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Seriously? After spending the last few years building awesomely mediocre cars, they finally have a chance to be taken seriously again, and instead they build a 2.0t motor with 210 bhp? Is Honda just trying to see how bad they can be compared to the competition and keep selling cars based on a name?
Wait until the final weight is figured out, if its as light as a MINI, it could be pretty nice.
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Old 03-22-2012, 05:20 PM   #4
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Here you go:
"Adding a turbo will give more torque lower in the rev range, so a higher gear can be used more often to boost efficiency."

They slapped a turbo on it because NA honda motors make no low end grunt.
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Old 03-22-2012, 05:23 PM   #5
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Honda fail. The type R is supposed to be a light, nimble, and minimally equipped *race* car. High reving engines in stripped out shells with stellar handling. Honda you've raped your last great namesake. Call it the SiR turbo or something, but don't piss on the Type-R like this, you've ****ed it up enough as it is. Honda has become such a big disappointment.
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Old 03-22-2012, 05:24 PM   #6
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They slapped a turbo on it because NA honda motors make no low end grunt.
Makes sense I suppose but they need to give a reason to buy this over a Veloster turbo or Focus ST or similar cars. I would say GTI but I bet this will be priced lower. If it comes to the US.

Are they trading no/less low end in for no high end? This is a type-r its supposed to be more of a track car anyways.
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Old 03-22-2012, 05:25 PM   #7
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Honda fail. The type R is supposed to be a light, nimble, and minimally equipped *race* car. High reving engines in stripped out shells with stellar handling. Honda you've raped your last great namesake. Call it the SiR turbo or something, but don't piss on the Type-R like this, you've ****ed it up enough as it is. Honda has become such a big disappointment.
Proud owner of the last decent sports car they have made to date. I completely agree, I wouldn't consider honda for anything, not EVEN an econo car.
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Old 03-22-2012, 05:28 PM   #8
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Here you go:
"Adding a turbo will give more torque lower in the rev range, so a higher gear can be used more often to boost efficiency."

They slapped a turbo on it because NA honda motors make no low end grunt.
And knock until it dies because going WOT at 1500rpm is ok.
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Old 03-22-2012, 05:33 PM   #9
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Seriously? After spending the last few years building awesomely mediocre cars, they finally have a chance to be taken seriously again, and instead they build a 2.0t motor with 210 bhp? Is Honda just trying to see how bad they can be compared to the competition and keep selling cars based on a name?
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Honda fail. The type R is supposed to be a light, nimble, and minimally equipped *race* car. High reving engines in stripped out shells with stellar handling. Honda you've raped your last great namesake. Call it the SiR turbo or something, but don't piss on the Type-R like this, you've ****ed it up enough as it is. Honda has become such a big disappointment.
These. **** them in the face.
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Old 03-22-2012, 05:43 PM   #10
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Oh good, it looks like **** too!
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Old 03-22-2012, 05:48 PM   #11
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Looks the same as the last type R in fact I think that is an image of the previous model
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Old 03-22-2012, 06:27 PM   #12
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I wouldn't read too much into the numbers they're stating in the article, they essentially used the GTI as a benchmark and said that the type r would be somewhere in that range.

I'd like to think that if the motor does only produce 210 hp, they'd add some of the trick innovation that they've used in the past to the car: 4-wheel steering, cool vtec stuff etc. Or go the direction the nsx is going and add electric motors to power the rear wheels (probably too expensive to package in a car like this though). At least the revoknuckle thing that ford/gm has, although that'd be pointless if the car's only making 200hp.

Honda needs to get their shxt together though
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Proud owner of the last decent sports car they have made to date. I completely agree, I wouldn't consider honda for anything, not EVEN an econo car.
I thought the only reason you bought that POS with an open deck block was because of the great deal you got on it?
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Old 03-22-2012, 06:46 PM   #14
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I expect more from Honda, but again, you can't expect them to be planning a takeover of the sport compact car industry out of nowhere when they haven't been in competition for it in over a decade.

As pointed out earlier, this will obviously have much-needed low-end grunt compared to their NA motors (especially of that displacement and hp), but perhaps it'll be tuned to have zero lag (which is likely since I don't see it being a big turbo or boosting all that much) while likely having excellent gas mileage all around. They may be going after the same crowd that is looking forward to the FR-S/GT-86/BRZ, also a ~200 hp car surrounded by much gutsier cars.
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The power doesnt seem too out of place for the European hatch market. About 220hp is the norm there and Renault seem to be the only ones still prodcing a NA hot hatch (Clio) which i believe is going turbo with the new model. Most do make this power with smaller motors but even the the 2 litres are only pushing around 250. Once past that you are just starting to over power the wheels and the chassis.
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The article is from October 2011...........

And it says this would be the first turbo motor Honda has put in a road car, which is not accurate(Acura RDX).........
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The article is from October 2011...........

And it says this would be the first turbo motor Honda has put in a road car, which is not accurate(Acura RDX).........
In Europe I guess.
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some of the responses in this thread are hilarious.
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i wonder what kind of CR and boost combination they will run
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Old 03-23-2012, 01:58 PM   #20
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I thought the only reason you bought that POS with an open deck block was because of the great deal you got on it?
I never called it a PoS or a bad car. I got a good deal, and thats the only reason I own it (not for why you think, but because it would have been out of my price range had it been 17-18k like a normally priced one after tax/reg/w.e). I dislike the open-deck, but I'm allowed to disagree with parts of my car and still appreciate like it. Plus, the fact that this one is open and still performs well doesn't make the fact the FRS is open any better; I doubt that block can take 26psi with a turbo kit and tune and FP on a motor with 70k miles and still run well over 100k.

But you're right, I would have talked the same **** about the s2k new price had I been considering a new car back then same as the BRZ simply because evo still kills s2k's all day price for price new. And even if the price was astronomical, that doesn't mean its not a good car or its not the last good car they built. It just means it wouldn't be good for its price.
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Old 03-23-2012, 05:35 PM   #21
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The power doesnt seem too out of place for the European hatch market. About 220hp is the norm there and Renault seem to be the only ones still prodcing a NA hot hatch (Clio) which i believe is going turbo with the new model. Most do make this power with smaller motors but even the the 2 litres are only pushing around 250. Once past that you are just starting to over power the wheels and the chassis.
I agree (although, I noticed the other day that Renault Sport pushed power to 265 with their latest Megane). Also, it seems like there's a shift towards 1.6T engines; Peugeot/Citroen/Mini initiated the trend as they're starting to push power over 200 (Mini JCW, Citroen DS3R,....).
There were talks of Honda working on a 1.6L turbo engine, so maybe that's what the Type-R will actually be getting instead of a 2.0T.
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the car wont be sold here. it will be neutered like everything we get in the states.
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Nice. I now can have Vtec and Turbo gauges.

So, when turbo and Vtec kicks in... what happens.... yo????
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Nice. I now can have Vtec and Turbo gauges.

So, when turbo and Vtec kicks in... what happens.... yo????
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Old 03-24-2012, 07:44 AM   #25
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I don't understand why Honda didn't go for the kill with this? But it makes are cars resale better and if the Evo goes away our cars will have their resale possibly!!?
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