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Old 03-26-2012, 01:32 PM   #1
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BEST REVIEW SO FAR This ones from Autoblog and it also has a video. Inconvenient truth: Split rear seatbacks are not available.
Euro-spec car tested, US spec and there lack of is noted in the text.

http://www.autoblog.com/2012/03/26/2...deo/#continued
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Old 03-26-2012, 02:46 PM   #2
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This ones from Autoblog and it also has a video. Inconvenient truth: Split rear seatbacks are not available.
Euro-spec car tested, US spec and there lack of is noted in the text.

http://www.autoblog.com/2012/03/26/2...deo/#continued
Excellent! Someone finally asked about the shocks.

Showa.. meh.
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Old 03-26-2012, 03:24 PM   #3
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another absolutely glowing review. can't wait to drive one.
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Old 03-26-2012, 06:03 PM   #4
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Another very positive review. Of course, that still won't dissuade the bench racers bitching about its numbers. They will focus on that he had to downshift to 2nd instead of 3rd:
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The engine's 151 lb-ft of torque number is so unimpressive, though, and I found myself downshifting frequently to second where it would have been nice to settle in third.
Well who am I kidding... most bench racers won't take the time to read the review or watch the video before sounding off.

Some highlights (sorry there are so many... I was only going to post a couple but there are too many great excerpts):

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after just ten or so miles of driving, we both realized that this BRZ with its short-throw shifter was destined to be even more of a great car moment in our lives than we had anticipated.
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at no point did I wish I was in any other car, because the BRZ, while certainly not the all-time quickest over this route, would prove to be the absolute epitome of this type of sports car.
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Long story short and to all doubters who have only numbers on paper or computer to go by the Subaru BRZ is one hell of a real sports car and, on roads like these, will beat the tar out of all legitimate comers selling for anywhere near the Subie's estimated $25,500, and many selling on up to $45,000. I was actually spotted shaking my head in disbelief while talking one-on-one with the BRZ's senior project manager, Toshio Masuda, following the drive. I felt as though I'd just driven a Porsche Cayman at less than half the price.
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the quick 13:1 ratio steering on the BRZ with electric actuation by Japan's Jtekt goes one better versus even the 3 Series. I had completely forgotten to even pay attention to it as such until the guy I was driving with blurt out, "The steering is really just so dang good. Doesn't feel one bit electronic."
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the BRZ comports itself effortlessly well on real roads.
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I was still wagging the tail nicely on the route's myriad hairpins, and the brake activation was meted out so as to blend pretty well with my driving style. Switching to VSC Sport and its higher thresholds allowed even smoother, slight drifts through entire hairpins.
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As driven here, blipping the free-revving four up to its 7,450-rpm redline over real-life roads, there is a certain style of driving needed, and it's a style I really like. Thankfully, though power of 200 horses is quoted as maxing at 7,000 revs, the FA20 up through its 1:1 fifth gear just keeps on pulling without signs of plateauing even at max revs.
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The excitement around this trio of light and tight 2+2s from Japan is warranted.
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And the engine compared to an Impreza let's say, is down roughly 4" in height in the bay and back almost 10". So the actual center, the yaw point, everything... it feels even a little bit better dynamically than a Cayman. Yes, I'll say it... than a Cayman. It's not a Cayman, but dynamically for the package it has, it's... impressive.
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Old 03-26-2012, 06:16 PM   #5
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Excellent! Someone finally asked about the shocks.

Showa.. meh.
Much better than KYB.
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Old 03-27-2012, 12:56 PM   #6
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Its funny, I've been thinking over the past few days what this car represents and how it compares to offerings on the market, recent past and present.

Miata...eh, great and successful car but not really comparable
S13, S14, S15...ok ok getting closer, super successful for many years
Hyundai Genesis Coupe... was a great effort and cool car but missed the mark a little, heavy and big
S2000...much closer but had a higher target demographic doesnt seem directly comparable either. Super successful and is now legendary.
RX-8...very close also and an amazing car. unfortunately what made it great was also its downfall: the engine
MR-2 and Spyder... great car but too awkward.

Four of the above GREAT cars are no longer in production.

Then Porsche popped into my head. I know, I know, an affordable car from Subaru/Toyota will never truly compare to the legendary German sports car company but...
Porsche has ALWAYS emphasized low weight, balance, chassis dynamics and feel over outright power. This formula has obviously been extremely successful for them.
-Now this is all we're hearing from the designers of the BRZ/FR-S AND from almost ALL test drives.

Think about the base Cayman (265hp/201tq) or even the Cayman S (320hp/251tq).

Then think about what STi/TRD may offer for factory performance versions.

THEN think about what the aftermarket will make available to all of us.

Of course MANY lesser cars can be modded to make them compare/perform ON PAPER to elite sports cars but we all know that you lose A LOT in the driving experience and feel when going to these lengths.
It's like being born pretty vs. being born ugly: Make-up and plastic surgery kiiiinda helps and gets the job done but....nothing like natural beauty.

But here we have what seems to be an affordably built base chassis that has wonderful dynamics DESIGNED into it.

250-300 hp seems easily attainable, then you are only left with wheels/tires to upgrade, brakes, swaybars, dampers, maaaaaaybe chassis bracing, then......thats it!

These mods would be simple and as long as you don't go too low or stiff on susp., don't go stupid wide or low offset on wheels, and don't get super loud and edgy with engine tuning/power, ....you still have a car that is comfortable and refined.

Again, all on a chassis that is obviously an extremely well designed base point.

And when you are done, you probably will have spent less than the entry level Porsche price.
Oh and you might be able hang with or even beat that Porsche around a track and NOT look/sound like a ricer while doing.

Whatever, call me a fanboi, I welcome it.
Two great Japanese car companies have given us exactly what we wanted and have been wanting for a long time:
An amazing canvas for us to paint on.

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Much better than KYB.
My understanding is that Showa and KYB both use very similar damper technology. At least, in the motorcycle world they do.. they're similar enough that most rebuild guides are the same for both.


If it's different for the car world, that is good news.. but I would have really liked to see Subaru use Bilstein or Koni FSD.
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Old 03-27-2012, 02:53 PM   #8
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My understanding is that Showa and KYB both use very similar damper technology. At least, in the motorcycle world they do.. they're similar enough that most rebuild guides are the same for both.


If it's different for the car world, that is good news.. but I would have really liked to see Subaru use Bilstein or Koni FSD.
Hey man as long as the Subaru's got Big Piston F.. hey wait a minute!
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Old 03-27-2012, 04:59 PM   #9
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2012 Mazda Miata vs. 2013 Subaru BRZ review/comparison:
http://www.popularmechanics.com/cars...?click=pm_news
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Hey man as long as the Subaru's got Big Piston F.. hey wait a minute!
I have Showa front forks on my Tiger.. and they're widely considered to be crap.
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Old 03-27-2012, 11:17 PM   #11
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I have Showa front forks on my Tiger.. and they're widely considered to be crap.
Then it's all marketing with the Suzukis and Hondas when they're like "SHOWA BPF REVOLUTIONARY TECHNOLOGY!"?
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