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Old 04-23-2012, 02:29 PM   #126
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Am I reading the Appearance Package properly? Memory seats but not memory mirrors? That's only half a solution in my opinion. Adjusting the mirrors properly is more of a pain than the seats IMHO.

OH DEAR God, fastening your seat belt must be must be like waterboarding to you.
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Old 04-24-2012, 12:35 PM   #127
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OH DEAR God, fastening your seat belt must be must be like waterboarding to you.
Haha I always like these typical comments when someone whines about a missing luxury feature. Of course nobody needs this stuff, but people are wiling to pay for it.

The memory seat is easy to do for Subaru, especially if not linked to the remotes. Subaru even puts it right on the side of the seat so the position sensors and logic are all self contained. Its already in their parts bin, just like the keyless operation and EyeSight which are offered in other markets.

Memory mirrors require the mirrors to be updated with a position sensor system as well as additional logic and wiring elsewhere in the car so they can be motored to memory positions. I know Subaru mirrors, and I don't think that is in the parts bin.

What this 2013 Legacy is, is Subaru pulling some parts from the old ROW bin and slapping them on the American car. And most of them will be part of that special package which will no doubt cost more. And then we will see if all the people willing to pay more for those cool features the other markets get, are actually willing to pay more.

Reminds me of all the car guys that swear MT diesel wagons will break sales records in the US if ONLY they would bring them here hahaha
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Old 04-24-2012, 01:01 PM   #128
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I thought that logic was in the BIU or ECU. It would make sense either way.

Other cars tie radio pre-sets, mirrors, seats, and other customizations to the key fob code, or RFID key identifier in the anti-theft ignition or keyless ignition near-field RFID check signal. The car "knows" different drivers by the key/fob they carry... that logic and memory allocation would have to be centralized for that.

The 2009 Legacy had memory seats on the 2.5 Spec.B and 3.0R Limited, as well as the Tribeca having it... but lesser trim lines didn't. I thought I saw somewhere that it couldn't just be swapped in by changing the seats out, due to a control unit difference. Those cars also all have VTD AWD in the 5EAT-SS equipped and Spec.B 6MT cars, as well as SI-Drive. Lots of things for an ECU or BIU to handle.
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Old 04-24-2012, 06:02 PM   #129
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OH DEAR God, fastening your seat belt must be must be like waterboarding to you.
Nah, more like having my finger nails pulled off. Thanks for the concern.
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Old 04-24-2012, 07:55 PM   #130
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Haha I always like these typical comments when someone whines about a missing luxury feature. Of course nobody needs this stuff, but people are wiling to pay for it.

The memory seat is easy to do for Subaru, especially if not linked to the remotes. Subaru even puts it right on the side of the seat so the position sensors and logic are all self contained. Its already in their parts bin, just like the keyless operation and EyeSight which are offered in other markets.

Memory mirrors require the mirrors to be updated with a position sensor system as well as additional logic and wiring elsewhere in the car so they can be motored to memory positions. I know Subaru mirrors, and I don't think that is in the parts bin.

What this 2013 Legacy is, is Subaru pulling some parts from the old ROW bin and slapping them on the American car. And most of them will be part of that special package which will no doubt cost more. And then we will see if all the people willing to pay more for those cool features the other markets get, are actually willing to pay more.

Reminds me of all the car guys that swear MT diesel wagons will break sales records in the US if ONLY they would bring them here hahaha
I haven't seen a picture yet, so I am curious about this. When Motor Trend had that "driving an Outback in the Outback" article, I noticed his car had the memory seat buttons on the door up by the door release. Now, I know that it was an Aussie car, but would think the design is similar for our cars also. Wondering if it will be on the seat or on the door.
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Old 04-24-2012, 08:04 PM   #131
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Old 04-26-2012, 10:17 AM   #132
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Anyone know if the new legacy is getting the impreza's tilting. headrest?
I drove the 2012 legacy for a few days and the seats are very comfortable but the headrest was pushing my head forward a little. Do you know if the headrest from the impreza can be swapped?
When does the 2013 legacy go on sale?
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Old 04-26-2012, 03:45 PM   #133
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GT gone... good riddance. It's amazing it was available for three model years.

OTOH, well, it was a manual, turbo, even though ugly and bloated, still a manual turbo.

Perhaps next generation will revive the spirit of BL/BP. It's okay for the car to be larger. It's not okay to look like a boat outside and have a craptastic interior.
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Old 04-27-2012, 11:25 PM   #134
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I haven't seen a picture yet, so I am curious about this. When Motor Trend had that "driving an Outback in the Outback" article, I noticed his car had the memory seat buttons on the door up by the door release.
I was going by the earlier products like the Spec B, it was on the side of the seat. but a couple wires and remote mounting the switches is not too hard to do.

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I thought that logic was in the BIU or ECU. It would make sense either way.

Other cars tie radio pre-sets, mirrors, seats, and other customizations to the key fob code, or RFID key identifier in the anti-theft ignition or keyless ignition near-field RFID check signal. The car "knows" different drivers by the key/fob they carry... that logic and memory allocation would have to be centralized for that.
Yeah when you get outside of Subaru you realize how the larger automakers are far ahead of Subaru for integration. The last time I had a Buick rental car, it turned the air-con fan down when I placed a call over the bluetooth.

Some would say though, Subarus old school way of building cars makes them more durable and reliable over the long haul. Subaru is not a car for "surprise and delight" features that Japanese cars used to be known for.

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The 2009 Legacy had memory seats on the 2.5 Spec.B and 3.0R Limited, as well as the Tribeca having it... but lesser trim lines didn't. I thought I saw somewhere that it couldn't just be swapped in by changing the seats out, due to a control unit difference. Those cars also all have VTD AWD in the 5EAT-SS equipped and Spec.B 6MT cars, as well as SI-Drive. Lots of things for an ECU or BIU to handle.
Well comparatively many automakers have electronic controlled clutches for AWD. Arguably perhaps Subaru should have spent that SI-DRIVE money making their BIU more advanced.

Subaru demonstrably is less advanced, there are just a few switches and modules that are linked to the CAN BUS or controlled by the BIU. Where other comparable cars many modules and switches are linked. All those "nice features" everyone wants can be done wth cheap software code in a very integrated car.

I'm sure I've told this story before ha but it continues to amaze me Subaru builds cars like its still the 90s.
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Old 04-29-2012, 09:19 AM   #135
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I was going by the earlier products like the Spec B, it was on the side of the seat. but a couple wires and remote mounting the switches is not too hard to do.



Yeah when you get outside of Subaru you realize how the larger automakers are far ahead of Subaru for integration. The last time I had a Buick rental car, it turned the air-con fan down when I placed a call over the bluetooth.

Some would say though, Subarus old school way of building cars makes them more durable and reliable over the long haul. Subaru is not a car for "surprise and delight" features that Japanese cars used to be known for.



Well comparatively many automakers have electronic controlled clutches for AWD. Arguably perhaps Subaru should have spent that SI-DRIVE money making their BIU more advanced.

Subaru demonstrably is less advanced, there are just a few switches and modules that are linked to the CAN BUS or controlled by the BIU. Where other comparable cars many modules and switches are linked. All those "nice features" everyone wants can be done wth cheap software code in a very integrated car.

I'm sure I've told this story before ha but it continues to amaze me Subaru builds cars like its still the 90s.

Subaru put SI-Drive into a lot of cars. Even after they stopped putting it in the Legacy/Outbacks here, they were putting it in more things over in Japan. When I was there, I saw SI-Drive in a N/A Forester premium. It all pretty much comes down to cost. Sure, they could put all these cool gadgets on USDM cars, but the price would go up sigificantly. They wouldn't sell AS MANY as they are now. Why would you spend $4-5K more for a Legacy, when you can go get the same thing in a Camry? As much as I agree with you, I have come to understand it more since working at a dealership and seeing it from a bit more inside. It was VERY frustrating to me when I saw rear A/C vents on the previous body styles in Japan, then we didn't even get them on the redesigns here until now and it still is only on the higher trims. The ones I saw over there were on base models. You know that one-touch rear seat release on the Forester Touring? They had THAT on base models over there. On Legacy wagons also! UGH!!
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Old 04-29-2012, 10:44 PM   #136
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Subaru put SI-Drive into a lot of cars...You know that one-touch rear seat release on the Forester Touring? They had THAT on base models over there. On Legacy wagons also! UGH!!
Well I think are 2 points here that have been discussed about for years...

1. Outside the US customers pay more for cars and expect a bit more, so Subaru obliges with more equipment.

2. Subaru isn't really interested in moving upmarket, even though the 05-09 Legacy appeared to be the product that could take them there. So they don't offer models with all the trimmings in the US.

The Legacy is a nice product at the top end though, still a car that might seem like you paid more for it than you did, seems like a step above a Camry or Accord even though it generally has less equipment but adds AWD.
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Old 05-15-2012, 04:35 PM   #137
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Special Appearance Package: 2-position memory feature for standard 10-way power drivers seat (includes power lumbar support); keyless access & start; 17-inch alloy wheels (machine finish gray), gray exterior door handles, mirrors and grille; black inner headlight bezels and rear bumper cover; Saddle Brown perforated leather, Outback logo floor mats and woodgrain-patterned matte-finish accent trim.
Found some more info about the 2013 Outback 'Special Appearance' package described above.

It comes in only one unique exterior color, Brilliant Brown Pearl. Production is limited to June-August 2012, so get your order in early. It comes with NAV and a moon-roof but it appears to be mutually exclusive with EyeSight.
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Old 05-15-2012, 05:30 PM   #138
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What do you think is the point of all that, then, if one can't get EyeSight with it? Who would want to be special enough to have an exciting, new feature for the 2013 models excluded in their Special Package? I guess the marketing is just odd, to me.
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Old 05-15-2012, 06:14 PM   #139
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What do you think is the point of all that, then, if one can't get EyeSight with it? Who would want to be special enough to have an exciting, new feature for the 2013 models excluded in their Special Package? I guess the marketing is just odd, to me.
Those are exactly my sentiments.
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Old 05-15-2012, 09:11 PM   #140
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Being first year for a new tech I'm guessing that Subaru will be losing money for every EyeSight that is installed for the next year or two.

The things that make this "special addition" a good deal for SOA is they are really just repackaging parts that already exist in other trims or painting something a slightly different color but in big enough batches where it doesn't effect cost.

And they'll get to charge more for the privilege.
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They've had EyeSight in Japan for several years, I believe.
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Old 05-16-2012, 09:35 AM   #142
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Found some more info about the 2013 Outback 'Special Appearance' package described above.

It comes in only one unique exterior color, Brilliant Brown Pearl. Production is limited to June-August 2012, so get your order in early. It comes with NAV and a moon-roof but it appears to be mutually exclusive with EyeSight.
That kind of sucks, where were you able to find that information?
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That kind of sucks, where were you able to find that information?
Actually, it found me. Dealer knows I'm interested and called yesterday to say that SOA had published the code/color/option matrices for 2013 Legacy and Outback and read the descriptions to me.
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Found some more info about the 2013 Outback 'Special Appearance' package described above.

It comes in only one unique exterior color, Brilliant Brown Pearl. Production is limited to June-August 2012, so get your order in early. It comes with NAV and a moon-roof but it appears to be mutually exclusive with EyeSight.
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Actually, it found me. Dealer knows I'm interested and called yesterday to say that SOA had published the code/color/option matrices for 2013 Legacy and Outback and read the descriptions to me.

I am looking at it now and it shows to be available in three colors. Brilliant Brown Pearl, Crystal Black Silica, and Satin White Pearl. Only the Brilliant Brown Pearl is limited in production.

It's also showing that you can get Twilight Blue Metallic and Venetian Red Pearl with either Black OR Ivory interior.
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They've had EyeSight in Japan for several years, I believe.
Yep. We are getting the second generation of it.
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I am looking at it now and it shows to be available in three colors. Brilliant Brown Pearl, Crystal Black Silica, and Satin White Pearl. Only the Brilliant Brown Pearl is limited in production.

It's also showing that you can get Twilight Blue Metallic and Venetian Red Pearl with either Black OR Ivory interior.
If I can get a dark blue car with a NON ivory interior I would be pumped...
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Does it show what colors you can get a Legacy or Outback in, with Keyless Access & Start + EyeSight? (Is it kosher to just post the whole color matrix? It's not up on Cars101 yet.)

*Edit* This page apparently has a bunch of shots of the Outback in Twilight Blue Pearl, inside and out. And here's the Legacy, not in a new color, but it is the 2013.


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Does it show what colors you can get a Legacy or Outback in, with Keyless Access & Start + EyeSight? (Is it kosher to just post the whole color matrix? It's not up on Cars101 yet.)

*Edit* This page apparently has a bunch of shots of the Outback in Twilight Blue Pearl, inside and out. And here's the Legacy, not in a new color, but it is the 2013.

Interesting. Looks like you can get EyeSight in any color BUT Crystal Black Silica. Legacy or Outback. The only trim that specifies the keyless start and memory seats is the special appearance package. I do hope that a Limited will have those after production stops on these. Unless it is just not saying it.
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cars101 has optional package info for Outback. You can get Eyesight System only in Limited trim with moonroof and navi. I wish Eyesight System was offered as a standalone option. They would have sold a lot of them.

Pics of special Appearance Package: Door handles, side mirrors with turn signals and front grill are in gray color.



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That Blue looks nothing like the actual Twilight blue, it's not that bold of a blue, it's closer to Marine Blue Pearl in the Impreza.

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Also the suspension did seem to have less roll.

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