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Old 04-16-2012, 05:35 PM   #226
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Did you get pictures of the backwards pistons or take their word for it? Please post those pictures, or send me a pm, I'll give you my email addy so you can send them to me, I'll post them for you.

I know, I know, you said it wasn't ring lands but it sounds so much like it. The valves not sealing could have been small parts of the piston under the seat, the cylinder walls scared or worn from the same thing.
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Old 04-16-2012, 05:53 PM   #227
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The parts manager can send me photos, I have already seen them. Never said the pistons were backward. Photos are only the bareblock and the effected cylinder walls. No pistons. Allegedly they appeared to be installed " oblong " in the motor. ... they said the ringlands were perfect to their surprise. Now it needs a flash from a subaru engineer ? Such a time vampire
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Old 04-16-2012, 08:01 PM   #228
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I know motorcycle pistons have a taper from top to bottom, oblong??? It would be very interesting to have the actual pistons and block in hand and do some digging.
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Old 04-16-2012, 09:06 PM   #229
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The whole thing stinks. Basically the motor was assembled wrong some how ? Then 2 miles later the misfire codes won't stop coming back on the other bank of pistons. Remember this had a new block and internals. The Misfires on the other 2 pistons now ? Subaru says there is a reflash to fix this. But a Subaru tech has to do the reflash. No one at the dealer can. And when I ask why , they can't really explain it beyond. " A field tech has to do the reflash. " ?? This entire situation is total BS!
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Old 04-16-2012, 10:29 PM   #230
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Let us know everything you can about what they do, this is getting very interesting. Maybe they got something wrong when installing the new block? By new block do you mean short or long block?
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Old 04-17-2012, 12:27 AM   #231
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A "field tech" had to do my reflash as well. I had to wait about two weeks for him to come around with the new map. Luckily I had my car during that time and my CEL never came back on.
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Old 04-17-2012, 01:04 AM   #232
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Let us know everything you can about what they do, this is getting very interesting. Maybe they got something wrong when installing the new block? By new block do you mean short or long block?
Short block was installed perfectly. Subaru Technical made the tech go through every thing he possible could without doing a tear down . From what I understand a top to bottom inspection had to take place before Subaru would dispatch who ever this person is with a map so " special " you can't get it unless you blow a engine. Friday morning there was no update available when the dealer researched it for me. They said " per VIN number there is NO UPDATE available for your car. Once it started spitting out mifires on a new motor 8 miles and 3 days later, " We have a reflash to fix that , he should be there in less than 48 hrs " . I think the cigarette smoking man from the X files is going to show up with the new map. The looming secrecy as to this map and how even a dealer can't have it is what sets off alarm bells with me.
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Old 04-17-2012, 02:42 AM   #233
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. I think the cigarette smoking man from the X files is going to show up with the new map. The looming secrecy as to this map and how even a dealer can't have it is what sets off alarm bells with me.
Hahahah. This line cracked me up.

It's true though, I have heard other tales of this mysterious "field tech" who is in sole possession of the greatest ECU program known to man. A tune that can fix any Subaru problem.

To blow your minds even more, this uber map seems to actually work. In the stories I have heard, it fixed the issues. I know one of the stories was fairly recent on this site where a guy was having CEL issues, and the "tune man" showed up and fixed it.
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Old 04-17-2012, 02:50 AM   #234
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I hear the X files theme every time I think of this thread now, LOL! Thanks for the info pitbull . This really is dumb. I look forward to SOA calling me back today. If these updated flash's work why the Fu*k aren't they available to all of us before we have a broken car? My head just exploded thinking about this stupid ****.
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Old 04-17-2012, 12:49 PM   #235
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The parts manager can send me photos, I have already seen them. Never said the pistons were backward. Photos are only the bareblock and the effected cylinder walls. No pistons. Allegedly they appeared to be installed " oblong " in the motor. ... they said the ringlands were perfect to their surprise. Now it needs a flash from a subaru engineer ? Such a time vampire
Silly Silly Subie driver... There's no special secret flash, they are dispatching an engineer to see if your car was re-flashed at some point. They are suspicious since you blew something twice. So if you're were always stock, you will be fine but it still crappy for your dealership to lie about what is the purpose of this and make up stories (what else could they be lying about?). And if you did flash the car, they will deny any future engine related warranty.
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Old 04-17-2012, 02:45 PM   #236
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Silly Silly Subie driver... There's no special secret flash, they are dispatching an engineer to see if your car was re-flashed at some point. They are suspicious since you blew something twice. So if you're were always stock, you will be fine but it still crappy for your dealership to lie about what is the purpose of this and make up stories (what else could they be lying about?). And if you did flash the car, they will deny any future engine related warranty.
So Im silly, everyone at the dealer is has lied to me and there is no reflash? Can you explain how the &radic;ENG light will go away.
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Old 04-17-2012, 05:11 PM   #237
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So Im silly, everyone at the dealer is has lied to me and there is no reflash? Can you explain how the &radic;ENG light will go away.
I was joking, don't take it the wrong way. It could also be that they are dispatching an engineer to document an issue they are not familiar with but what I said above is still a very likely possibility... I had long conversations with the service advisor at my dealership and if they have a WRX or STI with engine damage and they can't fix it, they will ask SOA to check the ECM for evidence of "illegal" re-programming.
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Old 04-17-2012, 05:45 PM   #238
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The best part is the shortblock has 8 miles on it. And it started throwing misfire codes all over again. I watched the tech reset the code 3 times and the code came back immediately. Tried to find another pearl white limited. But there isn't one anywhere in New England. So trading it in isn't even a option. Unless I get a color I don't want. SOA is trying to work out something for me. But they haven't called me yet. Week 3 and counting...
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Old 04-17-2012, 07:05 PM   #239
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A "field tech" had to do my reflash as well. I had to wait about two weeks for him to come around with the new map. Luckily I had my car during that time and my CEL never came back on.
You (or OP) really have to do some datalogs with these new maps... Sounds like Subaru doesn't want these maps getting out in the wild. I'm curious to see how different they are.
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Old 04-17-2012, 07:14 PM   #240
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Any way to download the stock maps and distribute them to a tuner so they could compare this "new" map to the typical 2011 stock maps? Would love to see what they're supposedly changing. That *may* give us a hint about what SOA believes is causing these issues in the first place.
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Old 04-17-2012, 07:21 PM   #241
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If I knew how to share the map I would. But of course I would need my car back after Batman updates that pile of garbage. And even having to wait for some guy to reflash a car is completely unacceptable . If it was 1992.. okay. If those sock cuckers from SOA ever call me back I can't wait to find out what the big secret is. Is there launch codes to nuclear devices encrypted in the fukkin tune ? Or maybe the cigarette smoking man is busy working with the Men In Black.
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Old 04-17-2012, 07:36 PM   #242
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At worst they're plotting to kill you . . .
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Old 04-17-2012, 07:38 PM   #243
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They would probably screw that up too.
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Old 04-17-2012, 07:48 PM   #244
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This situation reminds of something I ran into at work... I used to work for a pro video processing company. We had a good and legal way to manage encryption keys (HDCP from Blurays) for large HD video distribution systems. Our main competitor's system was a mess... So after a customer spent two days of misery trying to get it to work, he would receive a magic firmware that solved all the issues. We did some reverse engineering, and found that this FW simply disabled all of the encryption key management, and just let you do whatever you wanted with the content.

The products couldn't ship that way for legal reasons, but when given out to problem customers on an as-needed basis, what's the harm?

I wonder if this "magic tune" complies with emissions regs? I'd be very interested to know.
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Old 04-17-2012, 08:02 PM   #245
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If anyone remembers the first year Subaru did the PZEV legacy a few years back. They were spitting out cats left and right. Subaru had a " fix " basically changing perimeters to keep the catalyst efficiency below threshold code away. And in turn many people who received the update lost 2-3 MPG. So this update could cause other problems. And since Subru won't even let the dealers see it. Something in there must be dirty , right?
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Old 04-17-2012, 11:16 PM   #246
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Weird
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Old 04-18-2012, 01:08 AM   #247
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You (or OP) really have to do some datalogs with these new maps... Sounds like Subaru doesn't want these maps getting out in the wild. I'm curious to see how different they are.
I have no problem doing this but asking COBB (who you cant get an appt with for weeks out) or any other tuner out there would be a waste of their time. I wouldnt pay to do this and there is no benefit to them to help out this cause.

But if you can prove me wrong I would be more than happy to comply. If anything I would like to know if my CA ID # changed - this is really the only thing I knew about my original map.
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Old 04-18-2012, 01:29 AM   #248
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I wonder if this "magic tune" complies with emissions regs? I'd be very interested to know.
My thoughts exactly on the emissions. I'd bet money this "secret" flash does something with that.
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Old 04-18-2012, 02:52 AM   #249
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Whatever is going on with this reflash BS. It isn't even the real issue. Basically Subaru is making a potentially sub standard product and asking its customers to pay a premium price. From what I have learned about this hocus pocus reflash from Subaru. Its basically a little of this map and a little that map combined to create some kind of resolution. I will be rabidly attacking SOA for answers as to the secretive and isolated nature of this update. But I myself work for a major corporation and understand that SOA probably won't be able to or have to tell me anything. Its a proprietary right to corporations of ownership of said design or patent. They don't have to tell us or their dealers anymore than they care too. A sad but true reality for people like us who just want to know what they are doing to our cars. Its a sad day for consumers like us.
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A $160 Tactrix cable http://www.tactrix.com/

free open source http://www.romraider.com/ or ecuflash

...and a laptop, you will know what they know.
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