Welcome to the North American Subaru Impreza Owners Club Tuesday July 22, 2014
Home Forums WikiNASIOC Products Store Modifications Upgrade Garage
NASIOC
Here you can view your subscribed threads, work with private messages and edit your profile and preferences Home Registration is free! Visit the NASIOC Store NASIOC Rules Search Find other members Frequently Asked Questions Calendar Archive NASIOC Upgrade Garage Logout
Go Back   NASIOC > NASIOC General > Proven Power Bragging

Welcome to NASIOC - The world's largest online community for Subaru enthusiasts!
Welcome to the NASIOC.com Subaru forum.

You are currently viewing our forum as a guest, which gives you limited access to view most discussions and access our other features. By joining our community, free of charge, you will have access to post topics, communicate privately with other members (PM), respond to polls, upload content and access many other special features. Registration is free, fast and simple, so please join our community today!

If you have any problems with the registration process or your account login, please contact us.
* Registered users of the site do not see these ads.
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 08-21-2002, 06:17 PM   #1
RiftsWRX
Scooby Guru
 
Member#: 6124
Join Date: Apr 2001
Chapter/Region: MWSOC
Location: Glendale Hts, IL, USA
Vehicle:
2000 NFR AP1 S2000
'07 Honda FIT sport (5MT)

Default 13.018 @104.8 1.78 60ft... then... BOOM

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...hreadid=233198

What kills me... is that the LAST run recorded to right after the 60 foot mark....

1.74 60ft.... That would have shoved me clear into the 12's

Oh well... hehe play and pay... gotta call some cryo treaters now.

UTEC worked... TOO WELL!

RobPA is the man!

Padre: happy I beat ya? hehehe

Time to start swapping parts!

/me is grateful to have a doner tranny in the garage.

Jorge (RiftsWRX)
www.ProjectWRX.com
* Registered users of the site do not see these ads.
RiftsWRX is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-21-2002, 06:42 PM   #2
tmarcel
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 7555
Join Date: Jun 2001
Chapter/Region: South East
Location: Charlotte NC
Default

That's horrible! You seem oddly unscathed by the incident. I'd be little freakin' out about now if I was you.

So what's next? Replace it with a stock trans or build one up to specs. You've done it all now "been there done that"! I never heard what you did with your engine, did you do the 2.5L or stick with the WRX block?

Anyhow, so close to 12's - OUCH! Congrats of the fastest AT WRX !
tmarcel is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-21-2002, 06:45 PM   #3
tmarcel
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 7555
Join Date: Jun 2001
Chapter/Region: South East
Location: Charlotte NC
Default

Curious though, which turbo are you running.
tmarcel is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-21-2002, 06:50 PM   #4
Jedrex
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 8600
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: boulder, co
Default my motto:

If you are not breaking stuff, then you aren't going fast enough Maybe the 4eat is not as strong as supposed, But for an automatic grocery getter 13 flat is insane!
Jedrex is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-21-2002, 06:54 PM   #5
DoctorNick
NASIOC Supporter
 
Member#: 7022
Join Date: May 2001
Vehicle:
heh, chulooz
is on my ignore list

Default

jorge has a ej20t witha vf34 upgraded tmic and some other stuff IIRC. But this is second hand. I will let him give you the low down on his car. congrat and best of luck on replaceing the broken parts.

-Neal
DoctorNick is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 08-21-2002, 08:43 PM   #6
PadreWRX
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 5311
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: Carrollton, Georgia
Vehicle:
2004 GTO 11.2 @ 123
Was 4EAT '02 WRX 13.1@104

Default

*cries*

Man, I was pulling for you Rifts, but trust me, I wasn't pulling so hard you'd break something.

But guess that makes me the fastest non-nitrous auto-WRX that isn't broken. OK, guess that isn't funny. Best of luck to you, man. Hope it's something not too costly.

Padre

Last edited by PadreWRX; 08-21-2002 at 08:52 PM.
PadreWRX is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-21-2002, 08:51 PM   #7
Kevin Thomas
Street Racing Instructor
Moderator
 
Member#: 110
Join Date: Jul 1999
Location: 1997 OBS, 1996 SVX, 1988 RX
Vehicle:
1989 1989 XT6

Default Whoa!

Yeah Jorge,

I'm sorry to read/hear about this as well. This sucks! Actually, your incident is getting in my skin. I wouldn't want something like this to happen to me from far away from home. Ahh...man!


Well, I'm rooting for Padre and Robpa as well as other auto owners out there. Good luck guys! *sigh*
Kevin Thomas is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-21-2002, 08:57 PM   #8
djerickd
Scooby Guru
 
Member#: 3782
Join Date: Jan 2001
Chapter/Region: South East
Location: Tampa B*tch!
Vehicle:
02 WRX WFC#040
Clean on 19's

Default

Damn that sucks man! I pray for a speedly recovery, again...
djerickd is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-21-2002, 09:18 PM   #9
PadreWRX
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 5311
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: Carrollton, Georgia
Vehicle:
2004 GTO 11.2 @ 123
Was 4EAT '02 WRX 13.1@104

Default

Jorge, when you get a chance, could you tell us the situation of the launch? I assume you were at full brake-torque (4100) - for how long, how much boost, and so on? Did it break because you were putting down so much torque? Or was the failure something else? Did it break at the launch, or shortly thereafter, or at the shift, or what? Seems like we 4EAT guys may be learning the limits and will get to the point where we have to baby it off the line like the 5MT guys.

Padre
PadreWRX is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-21-2002, 10:27 PM   #10
RiftsWRX
Scooby Guru
 
Member#: 6124
Join Date: Apr 2001
Chapter/Region: MWSOC
Location: Glendale Hts, IL, USA
Vehicle:
2000 NFR AP1 S2000
'07 Honda FIT sport (5MT)

Default

Quote:
Originally posted by PadreWRX
Jorge, when you get a chance, could you tell us the situation of the launch? I assume you were at full brake-torque (4100) - for how long, how much boost, and so on? Did it break because you were putting down so much torque? Or was the failure something else? Did it break at the launch, or shortly thereafter, or at the shift, or what? Seems like we 4EAT guys may be learning the limits and will get to the point where we have to baby it off the line like the 5MT guys.

Padre
Stall was fine, launch was fine.. it was peak torque where it blew (right around 4800 RPM. Like I said, I cleared the 60 foot mark, the tires (all four) had stopped spinning and hooked.... when they hooked.. it went.

Clearly, one thing is obvious... the center diff is the achilles heel. See... we can't rev higher to get a better launch... We'd need even more radical stall converters. But in my case it took SHEER TORQUE. To give you an idea.... my launches were stalling at 14.5 PSI... by the time I took my foot off that brake I was going to 20 PSI! With a fair amount of timing being added in as soon as 4500 RPM... I was actually the crowd pleaser last night Little kids, people, even the announcer (who anyone who knows TuffEnough here in Chicago, is total anti Import). My closest competition was a built S4.. and he did a 13.8.

Am I proud? Yes.... but I've accomplished what I set out to do... 13.01 is close enough to 12.99 for me Time for ya'll to finish where I left off.

I'll get my spare diff cryo treated, I'll swap it out once I get it back, but for now... I'm tired I'm going to enjoy my car. Got a family starting soon, and other things on the agenda Hopefully the aftermarket will catch up with refined and improved driveline parts.

That doesn't mean to say that I'm done playing with my car.... I'll be tuning the UTEC for a slightly different goal... less low down torque, a good blend in the midrange, but a nice hit of high RPM power. Can't break diff's that way And I'll still be competative on the road, or on a roll. Pretty insane 1/8 MPH's from 80-83 MPH. 103 to almost 105 MPH traps.

I'm happy

As for being more put out on it breaking... Nah.... It goes with my motto... you play, you pay. I'm just grateful to have a great group of supporters from Subaru of Schaumburg, my MWSOC family, and of course TurboXS!

Cheers
Jorge (RiftsWRX)
www.ProjectWRX.com
RiftsWRX is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-22-2002, 06:07 AM   #11
Shik
NASIOC Supporter
 
Member#: 132
Join Date: Jul 1999
Chapter/Region: Tri-State
Location: Central PA
Vehicle:
1997 LGT wagon
2015 WRX on order

Default

Jorge, first off, good luck with repairs. Totally sucks but what are you going to do. At least it doesn't sound TOO bad.

Secondly, congrats on the time! You gotta be damn proud.

You've done an absolute ton for the Subaru community with your web site and your "daily hash" and all your findings with the auto and everything else you did/do. We all have a lot to thank you for.

Thanks man.

-Matt
W&L Subaru
Shik is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-23-2002, 03:45 AM   #12
SleeperWRX
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 8179
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Legacy Sport Sedan (Turbo)
Default

hope you get her fixed up soon...

how did a "built" S4 run so slow? my friend has an S4 with a chip and short shifter and that's IT vs. stock and he runs mid 13's...I've seen it in person. I'm not sure what you meant by that S4 being "built" but even if all they did was slap a chip on they could do better than that

-Mike
SleeperWRX is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-23-2002, 12:06 PM   #13
RiftsWRX
Scooby Guru
 
Member#: 6124
Join Date: Apr 2001
Chapter/Region: MWSOC
Location: Glendale Hts, IL, USA
Vehicle:
2000 NFR AP1 S2000
'07 Honda FIT sport (5MT)

Default

Quote:
Originally posted by SleeperWRX
hope you get her fixed up soon...

how did a "built" S4 run so slow? my friend has an S4 with a chip and short shifter and that's IT vs. stock and he runs mid 13's...I've seen it in person. I'm not sure what you meant by that S4 being "built" but even if all they did was slap a chip on they could do better than that

-Mike
Exhaust and chip at least from what was circulating through staging. His best were 13.8's throughout the night.

Jorge (RiftsWRX)
www.ProjectWRX.com
RiftsWRX is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-23-2002, 01:09 PM   #14
Kevin Thomas
Street Racing Instructor
Moderator
 
Member#: 110
Join Date: Jul 1999
Location: 1997 OBS, 1996 SVX, 1988 RX
Vehicle:
1989 1989 XT6

Thumbs down Ahhh

Hey Jorge,

Don't feel bad about your unfortunate situation. I just ran into a problem too and I am not quite sure how major it is. It's possible that I have a blown headgasket. *Bummer*
Kevin Thomas is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-23-2002, 01:18 PM   #15
RiftsWRX
Scooby Guru
 
Member#: 6124
Join Date: Apr 2001
Chapter/Region: MWSOC
Location: Glendale Hts, IL, USA
Vehicle:
2000 NFR AP1 S2000
'07 Honda FIT sport (5MT)

Default Re: Ahhh

Quote:
Originally posted by Kevin Thomas
Hey Jorge,

Don't feel bad about your unfortunate situation. I just ran into a problem too and I am not quite sure how major it is. It's possible that I have a blown headgasket. *Bummer*
On the XT6 or the outback?

Jorge (RiftsWRX)
www.ProjectWRX.com
RiftsWRX is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-23-2002, 01:41 PM   #16
Kevin Thomas
Street Racing Instructor
Moderator
 
Member#: 110
Join Date: Jul 1999
Location: 1997 OBS, 1996 SVX, 1988 RX
Vehicle:
1989 1989 XT6

Default Re: Re: Ahhh

Quote:
Originally posted by RiftsWRX


On the XT6 or the outback?

Jorge (RiftsWRX)
www.ProjectWRX.com
The Outback!

Last edited by Kevin Thomas; 08-25-2002 at 03:15 PM.
Kevin Thomas is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-23-2002, 05:21 PM   #17
alfriedesq
Scooby Guru
 
Member#: 6788
Join Date: May 2001
Location: Stamford, CT 06902
Vehicle:
2005 STI
10.9 @ 130

Default

Does this mean I don't get to blow you away of the 14th? I was looking forward to that
alfriedesq is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-24-2002, 11:02 AM   #18
RiftsWRX
Scooby Guru
 
Member#: 6124
Join Date: Apr 2001
Chapter/Region: MWSOC
Location: Glendale Hts, IL, USA
Vehicle:
2000 NFR AP1 S2000
'07 Honda FIT sport (5MT)

Default

Quote:
Originally posted by alfriedesq
Does this mean I don't get to blow you away of the 14th? I was looking forward to that
Probobly not I'll have the car up by then and at least get down there to watch my boys at TurboXS put the hurt on you , but you won't get to pick on the family truckster.

Big bully, picking on people smaller then you!

I need a lift in my garage.. would make this faster

Jorge (RiftsWRX)
www.ProjectWRX.com
RiftsWRX is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-24-2002, 11:36 AM   #19
PadreWRX
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 5311
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: Carrollton, Georgia
Vehicle:
2004 GTO 11.2 @ 123
Was 4EAT '02 WRX 13.1@104

Default

Quote:
Originally posted by RiftsWRX
Stall was fine, launch was fine.. it was peak torque where it blew (right around 4800 RPM. Like I said, I cleared the 60 foot mark, the tires (all four) had stopped spinning and hooked.... when they hooked.. it went.
Jorge, quick question: it blew at peak torque (4800rpm) which happened to coincide with the tires hooking up. So, I assume was it the shock of the hook up? If so, why not stickier tires with little tire spin? IOW, get it hooked up before you reach peak torque.

I ask because I'm using 17"SSRs with S-03's. I get very little wheelspin (a chirp, no more). If I run with the stockers (which never gained me more than a 1/10th anyway - the SSRs are pretty light), I'll get more wheel spin, but also, it seems, run the danger of having them hook up at peak torque and add an extra shock at the wrong time.

IOW, let 'em hook up below peak torque (basically at the 4100 launch).

Thoughts? Padre
PadreWRX is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-24-2002, 07:57 PM   #20
Kevin Thomas
Street Racing Instructor
Moderator
 
Member#: 110
Join Date: Jul 1999
Location: 1997 OBS, 1996 SVX, 1988 RX
Vehicle:
1989 1989 XT6

Thumbs up Awe man

Quote:
Originally posted by alfriedesq
Does this mean I don't get to blow you away of the 14th? I was looking forward to that
Don't want to hear any excuse like, "Er, uhm, I missed a shift that's why.......". You are going to get it!
Kevin Thomas is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-24-2002, 08:59 PM   #21
Sordid Philosopher
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 16854
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: East Bay - CA
Vehicle:
2003 WRX Sedan
White

Default

Quote:
Originally posted by PadreWRX

Jorge, quick question: it blew at peak torque (4800rpm) which happened to coincide with the tires hooking up. So, I assume was it the shock of the hook up? If so, why not stickier tires with little tire spin? IOW, get it hooked up before you reach peak torque.

I ask because I'm using 17"SSRs with S-03's. I get very little wheelspin (a chirp, no more). If I run with the stockers (which never gained me more than a 1/10th anyway - the SSRs are pretty light), I'll get more wheel spin, but also, it seems, run the danger of having them hook up at peak torque and add an extra shock at the wrong time.

IOW, let 'em hook up below peak torque (basically at the 4100 launch).

Thoughts? Padre
I may be wrong, but I think the more tirespin you have, the easier it is on the transmission. That way it eases into "hookup".

Think of it this way - where is the shock on the system going to go, i.e. where is the most give. In a stock setup it's in the tires and suspension. If you tighten those up then more shock is absorbed by the transmission.

I don't know this as fact, but when I upgraded my tires, body roll increased dramatically. Next of course I tightened up the suspension and pow - transmission took a lot of damage.
Sordid Philosopher is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-24-2002, 09:47 PM   #22
PadreWRX
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 5311
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: Carrollton, Georgia
Vehicle:
2004 GTO 11.2 @ 123
Was 4EAT '02 WRX 13.1@104

Default

Quote:
Originally posted by Sordid Philosopher
I may be wrong, but I think the more tirespin you have, the easier it is on the transmission. That way it eases into "hookup".
I'm sure that, in general, you are correct, especially with the 5MTs. But in Jorge's case, which is better, give it a shock when the torque is lower (e.g. at a 4100rpm launch), or give it a shock at maximum torque (that seemed to happen in his case)?

As I said, when I drag with my 17's, I get very little wheel spin, it hooks up fine, and I'm gone. No additional shocks to the tranny beyond the high-stall launch. If our TC can handle the initial shock, why give it another one at higher torque?

Then there's also the interesting question Michael Paresi (sp?) raised in another thread: how much wheel spin is too much with an auto - wouldn't you want to maximize the amount of hook up in 1st gear so that you use the gearing to gain some speed and distance?

I don't have all the answers either, just thinking out loud here.

Padre
PadreWRX is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-25-2002, 11:38 PM   #23
bliz
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 12065
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: Newark,DE
Vehicle:
08 evo x mr
wicked white slow pos

Default

i dont understand how you guys get wheel spin,i have almost every bolt on,on my auto,plus the t/c and and valve body done,i can brake stall the stock turbo up to 4500rpm.the car on a good day may chirp just a hair,even with my hybrid turbo on the car it only chirped,the only reason the tires even chirp is because the two front tires are going bald.the only time i can get wheelspin is in the rain.
bliz is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 01:51 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Powered by Searchlight © 2014 Axivo Inc.
Copyright ©1999 - 2014, North American Subaru Impreza Owners Club, Inc.