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Old 12-05-2012, 08:01 PM   #151
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Just out of curiosity, has anyone heard any information about the new matchbox projectors?
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Old 12-06-2012, 12:33 AM   #152
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Just out of curiosity, has anyone heard any information about the new matchbox projectors?
Nothing other than the setback 3 weeks ago:
http://www.hidplanet.com/forums/show...l=1#post531023
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Old 12-06-2012, 07:15 AM   #153
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Last thing heard too, thank you though.
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Old 12-06-2012, 11:09 AM   #154
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Last thing heard too, thank you though.
How about halogen Hella Micro DE? There doesn't seem to be a strong consensus in HIDP on foglights, but it looks like the halogen Micro DE can hold its own with the HID modified blazer, HID Morimoto Mini Matchbox, Bosch v3, and Fusion fog projectors. Not to mention that the Hella Micro DE with H3c based HID capsules make a very nice wide beam for twisty backroads.
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Old 12-06-2012, 02:36 PM   #155
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So, you've got the ballasts, and chose 4300K capsules. What projector are you using? This is no longer for the foglight location & function, is it?

That takes both the Morimoto matchbox & Mini H1 out of the list.
I will most likely use the same as JDMSTA Morimoto's D2S projectors. There is someone here on the forums selling a set for $90
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Old 12-06-2012, 02:43 PM   #156
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Those Hella's are nice, but what I like is the 4300K or the highest I will go would be 5000K Do they came in any Temperature you like?

This is the correct picture

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Old 12-06-2012, 03:59 PM   #157
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Those Hella's are nice, but what I like is the 4300K or the highest I will go would be 5000K Do they came in any Temperature you like?
Afaik, those are the H3 halogen Micro DE with fog beam pattern. In general, I would not consider changing them into HIDs. There are discussions in HIDP regarding the pros and cons, and a nice thread showing how someone uses H3C rebased Morimoto HID capsules with impressive looking wall output pictures. But wall outputs only capture certain aspects of a light source, so the contention of one senior HID member (that stated having worked on Hella lighting designs in the past) that putting HID in that unit (as opposed to using the more expensive HID Micro DE) may be valid.

Fwiw, I have a pair of those halogen Micro DE fogs that I plan to install as is (i.e. no HID capsule nor higher wattage halogen).

If you go the HID route, TRS has rebased H3c capsules in different colors. 3000K (yellow, sometimes with a hint of green), 4300, etc.

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Old 12-06-2012, 04:34 PM   #158
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Let me know how it turns out, I have no preference on hid or halogen, only on which can provide the best fog lights as my stock ones are questionable on there ability.
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Old 12-06-2012, 05:22 PM   #159
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I guess those are not a good picture of the HID Micro DE from HELLA, the website said that this is their picture. They want $135.00 for the set. No Ballast or Bulbs or wiring kit, just for the Lights.

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Old 12-06-2012, 05:36 PM   #160
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These are made for custom installs, I guess it's a premium set, each one is $100 D2S Capsule as well , but are not loaded, it's just for the light itself, No Capsule, No Ballast, No wiring either.
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Old 12-06-2012, 06:32 PM   #161
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Here is a side picture of the Hella Micro DE Xenon Fog Light

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Old 12-07-2012, 12:17 AM   #162
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Let me know how it turns out, I have no preference on hid or halogen, only on which can provide the best fog lights as my stock ones are questionable on there ability.
Same here. I'm going to probably keep the halogen as is though. It'll be nice to compare them against the oem halogen fogs (same 55W H3 rating) and the 35W 4300 EvoX-R output I'm curently using.

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I guess those are not a good picture of the HID Micro DE from HELLA, the website said that this is their picture. They want $135.00 for the set. No Ballast or Bulbs or wiring kit, just for the Lights.
I see. That's interesting. I've always thought they sell them as a full set (pair of projector units just like that), plus pair of HID capsules, pair of ballasts, and a harness. A set like that should be around $600-700 iirc. $135 for the pair of projectors should be about the same as the asking price for the halogen Hella Micro DE with fog pattern. Note that those HID Micro DE units are not foglight pattern, but a driving pattern.

Susquehanna has pictures of the halogen fog Micro DE (link) and HID driving Micro DE (link).

Courtesy of Susquehanna, isolux of the 2 Micro DE types:

D2S HID Driving beam pattern isolux:


H3 halogen fog beam pattern isolux:
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Old 12-08-2012, 02:48 PM   #163
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Unhappy Hella Lights are very well made.

Very Interesting indeed! Wow, look at the distance for the HID Micro DE driving pattern. Here in upstate NY fog lights are a must have option, there are NO light post for miles at a time, so driving home from the city to the burbs are a PITA at times especially during fog. So, the million dollar question is which one to use?
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Old 12-08-2012, 04:22 PM   #164
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I did. Replied with an older picture (don't have any of the current setup) to your PM.
Would you mind if I post the picture of your retrofit on this thread?
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Old 12-08-2012, 05:10 PM   #165
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If anyone has pictures of a set of HID OEM headlights for the 2012-2013 Impreza 2.0i please send them to me @ gusto11071@comcast.net also include a picture of the auto-leveling motor if possible with the connectors.
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Old 12-08-2012, 07:16 PM   #166
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Very Interesting indeed! Wow, look at the distance for the HID Micro DE driving pattern. Here in upstate NY fog lights are a must have option, there are NO light post for miles at a time, so driving home from the city to the burbs are a PITA at times especially during fog. So, the million dollar question is which one to use?
Depends on how straight most of the roads are. Afaik, a properly designed foglights will light up the sides (just like the isolux plot), and not generate too much glare above the low beam cutoff line. So, they are great for fogs and help with lighting up backroads with a lot of turns (assuming one doesn't go too fast). Driving light pattern on the other hand, are supposed to be a high beam assist, so they will blind oncoming traffic. My guess is for your use, you'd need driving pattern, but you need to remember that it can't be on all the time during your drive.

There's another option, Hella Rallye 4000 halogen with a cornering beam pattern. Looks like pencil beam with some fog like wide coverage in the near distance:
http://www.rallylights.com/detail.aspx?ID=829

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Old 12-11-2012, 06:54 PM   #167
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Yes, I know what you mean by blinding other drivers, I hate it when I am driving home and some poor blind dude has his high beams on blinding everyone in front of him, that is so annoying. I think that it's why I am going to go for the projector fog lights, cause I will be driving with them on all the time. The roads are pitch black in the early morning hours going to work and it's dark coming home at night.

I can afford the Hella HID Micro DE, but I have other priorities right now that need my immediate attention. That is why I figured I can retrofit my stock fog lights with a set of projectors and modify them to accept a HID capsule. I have a rough idea of how to do it, but I am not 100% on how to make it happen.
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I can afford the Hella HID Micro DE, but I have other priorities right now that need my immediate attention. That is why I figured I can retrofit my stock fog lights with a set of projectors and modify them to accept a HID capsule. I have a rough idea of how to do it, but I am not 100% on how to make it happen.
Afaik, the HID version of Hella Micro DE is only available in a driving beam pattern, which will blind oncoming traffic by definition. Imho, for a lighting unit placed that low, in order for an HID level intensity not to blind oncoming traffic, it needs both a cutoff shield (similar to low beam shield cutoffs for low beams with or without the SAE or ECE notch), and a foreground limiter. I mention the latter because reflection from the road can still bounce upwards if not limited. However, this makes the beam only work on infinitely flat surfaces (i.e. nothing that will cause the beam to bounce up and down like hills or crests).

Imho, you're better of with a secondary biX setup that only runs when you need. I have a setup where my e55r's are my primary biX, and then run a Mini D2S as a secondary biX that can either be turned on with the e55r or just by itself. For daily commute, I only use the e55r, but having a second pair mounted low beam height helps.

You can set it up as 2 pairs of biX with their separate harnesses, and then modify the "signal" input of both harnesses like so:
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hhhmmm... very interesting concept, the problem arises like this now; how to turn this fog light into a useful projector, and add HID capsules, that do not blind other drivers, there is plenty of space behind here to work with. Can a D2S capsule be used? or it has to be rebased H3?

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Old 12-11-2012, 09:21 PM   #170
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I am also thinking of using a CCFL on the outer ring portion of the headlight and not the outer ring of the projector. It will have to be a half or 3/4 ring, as the light is not completely round, see the picture below. This light has a lot of potential, I also need to change the 168bulbs to SMD's

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hhhmmm... very interesting concept, the problem arises like this now; how to turn this fog light into a useful projector, and add HID capsules, that do not blind other drivers, there is plenty of space behind here to work with. Can a D2S capsule be used? or it has to be rebased H3?
D2S or other rebased capsule depends on the projector you're planning on mounting there. Unless I misunderstood, and you meant keeping the halogen reflector fogs but replacing the halogen H3 bulb with HID capsule?

How about ES300 foglights?
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Old 12-13-2012, 01:23 PM   #172
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Anyone out there looking for a headlight to practice on? I picked this up a while back but will not be needing it.

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...1#post38696571
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Old 12-13-2012, 05:21 PM   #173
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Each fog light assembly is $135.00 @ the stealer! Ouch! I was trying to buy a set to have no down time. What size are those Blazer Projectors? 2.5" ?
you can get them cheap. i got mines from a seller on ebay, genuine OEM fog light assembly with bulb and housing.
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I am also thinking of using a CCFL on the outer ring portion of the headlight and not the outer ring of the projector. It will have to be a half or 3/4 ring, as the light is not completely round, see the picture below. This light has a lot of potential, I also need to change the 168bulbs to SMD's
This might be an extra option for you besides ccfl but its expensive though. But it looks really good I have to say. http://www.automotivelightstore.com/...ledstrips.aspx
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HHHMMM..... That is an option, Thanks ! Decision decisions decisions HHMMM?
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