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Old 04-02-2012, 11:08 AM   #1
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According to a report by De Telegraaf, Porsche has plans to bring turbos to its smaller engines. The publication reports that Porsche engineers have confirmed that turbos will be coming to smaller engines in models like the Porsche Boxster and the Cayman.

The move is being made in an effort to increase\ fuel-economy and lower CO2 emissions for its entire lineup.

As of right now, turbo engines are found in the higher-performane models in Porsche’s lineup of the 911 and Panamera. But engineers now suggest that 4-cylinder boxer turbo engines are possible for the entry-level Porsche models and the 911 Carrera.

The last time Porsche used 4-cylindr engines was in 1995 for the 968.

Hybrids could also become a part of the game. “As of yet we have no hybrid version of the 911 planned purely because of the extra weight that the technology brings,” a Porsche engineer told De Telegraaf. “But, never say never. The required technology is in-house, as seen with the hybrid versions of the Panamera and Cayenne, and the platform is suitable for the powertrain.”
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Old 04-02-2012, 11:38 AM   #2
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just drop an EJ25 in it and be done!

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Old 04-02-2012, 11:59 AM   #3
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Maybe Porsche is collaborating with Subaru to bring out the next FA/FB based turbocharged, direct injected flat 4....

But somehow I doubt it. It will probably have offset cam drive, and an intermediate shaft, and other differences between them, like the M96/97 differs from the EZ30/36.

But a Porsche, Powered by Subaru would be hilarious.
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Old 04-02-2012, 12:19 PM   #4
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But a Porsche, Powered by Subaru would be hilarious.
It would be cool if they took a Subaru motor and modified it for performance like they do with other companies engines.
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Old 04-02-2012, 12:54 PM   #5
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Pretty much only VW/Audi engines otherwise, which makes sense, due to the familial ties of the people in the boardrooms between the two companies, and now VW auto group owning most of Porsche.
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Old 04-02-2012, 01:36 PM   #6
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Germans working with the Japanese?







Pffft, like that would ever happen.....









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Old 04-02-2012, 01:40 PM   #7
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Old 04-02-2012, 02:08 PM   #8
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1: looks WAY better than an MR2

2: 3rd gen MR2 looks like a toyota box approximating an original 986 Boxster, which came out first. Boxster has two trunks... MR2 spyder doesn't even have one.

Porsche gets static for making the Boxster look too much like 911, so when they change the headlights to look more like the 918, and increase cooling efficiency by making the side duct more pronounced... now they get static because it looks like a half-hearted attempt to COPY Porsche, by Toyota.

Yeah, right.

Not sure if I like it more than 987, but 981 is very nice, and it is a Porsche, something Toyota has to try to copy. They tried again with FT-86, but didn't even put the engine in the middle, where it should have gone.

FT-86 should have been the FT2, a subaru-boxer-powered 4th generation of the MR2. MR2 was always more affordable sports car than AE86 ever was.

A turbo-H4, mid-engined, longitudinal transaxle sports car could just as easily be designed and built by Subaru for Toyota at $25K, as it is by Porsche with premium materials at $45K.

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Old 04-02-2012, 02:42 PM   #9
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A turbo-H4, mid-engined, longitudinal transaxle sports car could just as easily be designed and built by Subaru for Toyota at $25K, as it is by Porsche with premium materials at $45K.
Really? Because a front-engined sports car of theirs powered by a naturally aspirated Subaru-built H4 is already at $24k.
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Back the their 356 roots, might be nice with the reduced weight if they are generous with the HP
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Old 04-02-2012, 02:52 PM   #11
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Back the their 356 roots, might be nice with the reduced weight if they are generous with the HP
It should be... I remember the original reports saying that they were shooting for something around 340-350 hp, which should be nice.
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Old 04-02-2012, 03:38 PM   #12
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<-- off to search Panorama classifieds for 968 coupe

found nothing of interest, all cabrios

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But a Porsche, Powered by Subaru would be hilarious.
I think kick arse is a better qualifier...

http://www.precisionchassisworks.com...nversions.html

I've been waiting for Porsche to step up and do this for a long time. Next step is when they reissue the 914. That could even inspire me to sell my BRZ and buy a new Porsche...
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A turbo-H4, mid-engined, longitudinal transaxle sports car could just as easily be designed and built by Subaru for Toyota at $25K, as it is by Porsche with premium materials at $45K.
They can make it for $25K, not sure they can sell it at that. The BRZ sells for $25K. If they make one, it would be around $34K.

Premium materials don't cost that much more to the manufacturer. They charge a lot for leather options, but in reality they make more profit in options. That's how manufacturers make their money.

Most of the money spent is R&D, testing, and engineering,.. then maybe marketing.

Porsche sells good amounts of Boxters because they are known to sell sports cars and people go to them for them. Not Toyota, they won't sell enough to justify.

Porsche has vast resources and knowledge about sports car building because that is what they do best and have been for decades.

If Toyota was to build one, it would take a lot of R&D ($$$). Look how long it took them to make the LFA, or FT-86.
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They can make it for $25K, not sure they can sell it at that. The BRZ sells for $25K. If they make one, it would be around $34K.

Premium materials don't cost that much more to the manufacturer. They charge a lot for leather options, but in reality they make more profit in options. That's how manufacturers make their money.

Most of the money spent is R&D, testing, and engineering,.. then maybe marketing.

Porsche sells good amounts of Boxters because they are known to sell sports cars and people go to them for them. Not Toyota, they won't sell enough to justify.

Porsche has vast resources and knowledge about sports car building because that is what they do best and have been for decades.

If Toyota was to build one, it would take a lot of R&D ($$$). Look how long it took them to make the LFA, or FT-86.
Never no way under $50k so put your money on the BRZ
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They can make it for $25K, not sure they can sell it at that. The BRZ sells for $25K. If they make one, it would be around $34K.
There is nothing but vestigial rear seats and tiny cargo space, about the BRZ that couldn't instead have been built as an MR2, especially an SW20 generation MR2 successor.

I wasn't talking about in addition to BRZ, I was speaking hypothetically about what I would have liked to have seen instead of BRZ. For what BRZ is, an MR2 successor would have done the same things better.

Engine goes from front, to aft-mid. Transmission substituted for a cable-shifted '10-'12 Legacy GT 6MT, with the center diff and aft output amputated, and LSD in the transaxle differential location, for 2WD.

If it had been built that way from the drawing board, there isn't ANY reason that the materials for a BRZ couldn't have been re-arranged into a mid-engined layout, just like Cayman's layout.

No reason whatsoever that an MR2 successor would have been any more or less expensive than an AE86 successor, and an MR2 successor would have handled even better, and been something even more distinctly different than other front-engine, rear drive coupes, or Miata.

Nobody builds a successor to 914, Fiat X1/9, Lancia Montecarlo/Scorpion, MR2, or Fiero. Not even ONE.

It isn't as if it has never been done before, or that those cars were prohibitively expensive. maybe the Porsche and the Lancia a bit more than the Fiat, Toyota and Pontiac, but not much more expensive, and no need for $35k, or any more expensive than BRZ is estimated to be, as-is. Possibly even lighter weight with no rear seats, which are too small to use anyway. As long as it has similar trunk space to an SW20 MR2... it would probably be as practical on a limited basis as a sports car would need.

Someone around here even mentioned that the car doesn't have a passenger airbag cutoff switch for a front passenger child seat, and no child seats will fit in the back seat, as there are no LATCH points. So overly kid-freindly isn't really the point.

I don't know why AE86, an econo-box with a live axle before the age of FWD truly caught up with Corolla, with a reputation for being modified well after it was new, because it was CHEAP, has credibility enough for a revival, when cars like MR2 don't. I would much rather see something mid-engined. Especially with the pedestrian crash regs as they are, mandating front airspace under the hood. If there is nothing under the hood, the hood can be properly low, and the engine weight properly located over the rear tires.

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1: looks WAY better than an MR2

2: 3rd gen MR2 looks like a toyota box approximating an original 986 Boxster, which came out first. Boxster has two trunks... MR2 spyder doesn't even have one.

Porsche gets static for making the Boxster look too much like 911, so when they change the headlights to look more like the 918, and increase cooling efficiency by making the side duct more pronounced... now they get static because it looks like a half-hearted attempt to COPY Porsche, by Toyota.

Yeah, right.

Not sure if I like it more than 987, but 981 is very nice, and it is a Porsche, something Toyota has to try to copy. They tried again with FT-86, but didn't even put the engine in the middle, where it should have gone.

FT-86 should have been the FT2, a subaru-boxer-powered 4th generation of the MR2. MR2 was always more affordable sports car than AE86 ever was.

A turbo-H4, mid-engined, longitudinal transaxle sports car could just as easily be designed and built by Subaru for Toyota at $25K, as it is by Porsche with premium materials at $45K.
Everyone knows 1st gen MR2 is best.

In fact while all these people are hunting for AE86 driving their prices up obscenely high i've seen mint MR2 Supercharged around for like $5k at MOST. Those are awesome cars, better than an 86.
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lol.

I'm wondering what the Mercedes Infinity G is going to be like. I would like a german/japanese car.
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