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Old 08-21-2002, 10:27 PM   #1
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Talking I have $10 000 burning a hole in my pocket.

Like the title says - I sold a rental property and am treating myself to a shoping spree - 5 years of plunging toilets and dealing with ****y tenants. Payback!

Ok so I have a stock wagon with the uppipe gutted and the Throttle body ported and knife edged.

Parts must be available in Canada(Edmonton) and I would like to do the mods before Sept 20th - short holiday!

Your advice please:

Turbo back - relatively quiet ? - cats not a priority - $2000
blitz fancy boost control ? - $1300 I seen one today.
intake - ? - $ 400
Larger intercooler ? needed?
guages - EGT, boost, oil pressure/temp ? $1000
Turboxs chip ? available?
Suspension - I have not researched and may not fit the budget!


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Short shifter
Wheels 17" - tires Azens $3000

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Old 08-22-2002, 06:58 AM   #2
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Bigger turbo, front mount intercooler, upgraded fueling.

Suspension as well.

With 10 grand you could do a lot of things if you plan things out well. What do you want to do with your car?
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Old 08-22-2002, 10:32 AM   #3
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I would get the following:

New rims and rubber
Short shift c/w bushing
CAI
Uppipe/downpipe
Boost/EGT/Oil pressure gage
electronic boost controller
Unichip/link
FMIC
Larger turbo
STI injector/larger fuel pump


That should be about $10,000 BUT who can install these in Edmonton is a big problem.

I really want to get a uppipe but I don't know who in edmonton can do that or if anyone has done one of these here.

I think you would also have to order most of the stuff through the net.

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Old 08-22-2002, 12:07 PM   #4
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I'd talk to these guys:

www.lachutesubaru.com. Talk to Julien there, he races a PGT WRX in the Canadian Rally Championship. Explain to him what you want to do with your car and he'll give you advice. Heck you got enough money to do brakes, suspension and maybe a Cobb Club Spec kit!

Might even be worth driving down here if you want to get it installed right! Could be cheaper than shipping...

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Old 08-22-2002, 01:40 PM   #5
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I say keep it and wait for a lancer evo..... mwuhahaha.. j/k
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Old 08-22-2002, 01:40 PM   #6
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I say keep it and wait for a lancer evo..... mwuhahaha.. j/k
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Old 08-22-2002, 02:15 PM   #7
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I would wait on any ecu control stuff Turbo XS's Vapor Monkey (UTEC) and the ECUTEC both look real interesting but arn't quite ready for prime time.

Up-pipe
Turbo back exaust..
Blitz or AVC-R..
Gauges... Lots of them (egt, boost and Intake Air temp after the i.c. would be my sugestion).. I would go for a Defi-Link 52mm in a modifed stock shroud..

DMS-Gold or Giants are sweet struts.. Bounce and Rebound adjustable and Ride High adjustable as well.

btw sweet time at Namao..

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Old 08-22-2002, 03:53 PM   #8
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J.D. These struts you are refering to. How adjustable are they? can I drive around stock hieght, lower for solo, and raize up like 4" and rip through the muskeg??

I never quite understood what the chip does - Sounds like it would be redundant to have a blitz boost control and the new turboxs chip...?


Would a FMIC be usefull in Canada? (except maybe 10 days in July)

Any local folk with a turboxs exhaust system - is it relatively quiet?

I have spent the last month searching and searching. I have certainly narrowed my choices untill I speak with someone who knows someone who loves/hates their recent mod!! - but now that is comes down to it - availability dictates my real choices.

Mturmel - Now you have got me thinkin brakes aswell. Lachute Subaru - I will build up some courage and try my french later today.

I think I would sacrifice the new turbo and fuel injectors for brakes and struts ... ?

I am not afraid to tackle this project on my own - I have access to a machine shop with two sets of everything - any weekend I want.
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instant - the "struts" that Wrxtasy is referring to is actually a coil-over system. The struts themselves however are quite nice. With the 50's or Giants, you'll have a more difficult time fitting a 225 tire underneath.

There is no real nead of a FMIC here in Alberta, your stock top mount w/ samco hoses actually do a very good job. Why introduce lag into your system when you don't need it?

Using the Unichip will allow for adjustment of fuel, timing and boost. With just a boost controller like the SBC-iD you'll only have ability to adjust boost. Granted, it will give you better boost response b/c of the better solenoids used to control boost, but you'll have to get something down the line for fuel management.

In regards to the TXS system, there is one guy here in Calgary that runs the down-pipe, cat and mid-pipe w/ a stock muffler. This set-up is fairly quiet, more noticible then stock, but not as noticible as our "quiet" acoustic preference on the turbo-back. There've been cases of CEL's due to the TXS down-pipe though.

Don't even bother with an intake, as you won't really need one until you go with a FMIC (due to clearane issues). It will lean out your car quite a bit, and may actually cause MAF mal-function (this was reported using an Injen by several people).

The best way to make more power here in Alberta (with a higher relative elevation) is to go with a larger turbo, thus more air can be pushed. However, with a bigger turbo you will see lag.

Suspension is a good idea, however unless you're serious about the track, then the coil-over maybe overkill. The SPT/STi suspension from the dealer is actually quite well sorted for the wagon. Otherwise, another good option would be to use AGX's + aftermarket progressive springs.

Brakes, should be addressed, however depending on use, upgrading just the pads, rotors + lines & fluid should be sufficient.

Good luck w/ your wagon, and happy modding.
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Old 08-22-2002, 05:40 PM   #10
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Don't worry, Lachute speaks English!

Yeah, brake is often forgotten... I just upgraded pads and rotors and already had SS lines and fluid and Master Cylinder bracket, what a difference...

Good luck!

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Old 08-22-2002, 10:10 PM   #11
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I second also Subaru lachute...... but everyone around Montreal and ottawa goes there for their installation of mods, etc....

Even Toronto guys go there now! and that's about 4-5hour drive.... Last time I was there, a guy from Toronto left his WRX there for huge upgrades....

-Willwood 6pt (front) and 4pts rear
-MRT FMIC and VF30 turbo upgrade
-DMS Golds struts
-Upgraded fuel pump, STI injectors
-HID Morrette lights
-22B replica spoiler

and the list goes on! It was extremely sweet.... Ben from Subaru Lachute was tuning the turbo upgrade.

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Old 08-22-2002, 10:38 PM   #12
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yup, those brakes Lachute has in their little display case are SICK SICK SICK!!!

But seriously, if you got 10g's to spend on a car, why not go all out?

spend a good 3K on wheels + tires

another 3K on engine upgrades, turbo, electronics

2K on suspension

2K brakes

then you'll have a sweet ride! and you can sell all your old stuff (wheels tires turbo suspension) and have more cash for mods!


or you could just give me a couple of $K for a bike

EDIT: I forgot your most IMPORTANT upgrade....a nice 3/16" aluminum skidplate. Protect your investment by buying a nice skidplate. Hey, you never know! And I know a guy that makes them.....real quality plates too, for a GOOD price. Goes by the name of "GooseMan".........
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Old 08-22-2002, 10:39 PM   #13
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Brakes I forgot about brakes... There is a review of kits in this months Car and Driver.. The StopTech kit was the cheapest and the best performing.

The DMS coilovers are defintly ride hight adjustable i am not sure if you would get much more than 2 or 3 inches

Here is thier main site...
http://www.dmshocks.com/

Rocket Rally uses the 50mm Giants I think.. He is in the Air more than he is on the ground most times




I think the golds are 2500 from Lachute Subaru ..

I sort of agree on the turbo \ injectors.. I am not sure if there is a clear winner yet on a way to control fuel and timing when you start doing that..

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Old 08-22-2002, 11:32 PM   #14
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Kind of off topic, but is there a place in Alberta that can install all those stuff, and actually does a good job. I mean Subaru lachute is so far out east. Any shop that you guys would recommend? I guess Ion Performance would be one of them right?
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Old 08-23-2002, 01:02 AM   #15
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Randy,

$10k to burn eh?

I would spend it in this order:.[list=1][*]Wheels/Tires[*]Suspension[*]Cat-Back[*]Intercooler[/list=1]
Since the WRX already has a lot of power, I would highly recommend improving its ability to better handle that power. You've already proven that your an excellent driver at the challenge cup, so why not improve on the car's handling?

Everyone has seen the gains in Sport Compact Car that can be had with a well sorted suspension set-up and a sticky set of tires, so I would put those two on the top of your list.

Your rubber is a good choice and the wheel is a very personal preference, so I will say nothing more. My choice for suspension would start simple with an upgraded (adjustable) rear sway bar, which will vastly reduce the body roll that is inherent in the stock car. The Whiteline ALK is also a wicked upgrade to reduce understeer for little money.

Next choice would be struts/springs. The Wheels/Tires/Swaybar/ALK will probably run you around $4000 tops, which leaves you $6000 remaining. If you want a wicked handling WRX, you should go with coil overs. My preference would probably be in this order:[list=1][*]Leda (highly recommended by the Brits)[*]DMS (I've been in a DMS equipped car )[*]Tein (I've seen the quality of the Tein springs that are on schlong8's car and was impressed)[/list=1]

That will probably run you another $4000 so you're now left with $2000 remaining.

Good Cat-back and an upgraded intercooler will probably take of the remaining $2000. The intercooler will help reduce charge temperature so better power, and the cat-back will help response therefore a more usable torque/horsepower curve.

Any other money in the future can be spent on brakes/pads and do the engine upgrades last when you're not worried about screwing-up your warranty. Keep in mind that since we do not have the same consumer protection laws that are available to enthusiasts in the US, upgrading turbos and other forms of electronic "trickery" will likely void your warranty so therefore improve what you have now so that you can use the existing power without over-driving the stock suspension.

My 2 cents.

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Old 08-23-2002, 02:22 AM   #16
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OK, things are getting interesting. First of all thank you for your response - The project is starting to gel a bit. Things tend to get out of hand quickly

Wheels/rubber - simply pick a strong light (available) wheel and I am done.

Suspension - DMS Giants seem to be quite prominant. I like the ride hieght function (I did spend quite a bit of time buried in the snow last year)

guages EGT, boost, pressure and a few temp guages

Springs - I have no clue!

Brakes - I will be bashing around on my stock 16" rims so big ass fancy brakes are out - will bracket, pads, lines, fluid make much difference Matt? J.D. will the stoptech brakes work with stock rims? are they available?

Markus - you mentioned a cat back system as apposed to the turbo back?? any reason? maybe to stay in the STS class?

Gooseman - you must have known that I have ripped off most of the plastic crap under my car - the last solo they made me stop as they thought I would leave my undercarriage on the track

I like where this is going - I am not a big 1/4 mile fan (that is what the super bee is for) Maybe I can control my unexplicable craving to squeeze more power...

Any vendors lurking about - I am almost ready for a quote! -Ion-

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Old 08-23-2002, 08:43 AM   #17
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For brakes, get a set of slotted stock sized rotors, cryo treat them, run the most aggressive pads you can tolerate the dust and noise from when cold, add Ford Heavy Duty (Dot 3 with a Dot 5 boiling point) brake fluid and stainless lines, done for now. you will notice quite a difference just with that setup over stock.

For springs, when you order the DMS package it *SHOULD* come with your choice of spring rates. Don't quote me on that though. Best bet is to talk to subaru lachute and make sure about that.
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Old 08-23-2002, 10:59 AM   #18
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I will check the article for you but I think the Stoptech's require 17's

Remember if you start messing with cat's in the exaust ( Turbo back) you will most likely start to throw check engine lights.. There are mod's \ highflow cat's that are suppose to prevent this but still something to consider..

From my reading a cat back exuast is a sound only mod... I don;t think you will see a big performance difference..

Turbo back is a performance mod (10 hp?)..
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bigbear522 - We do performance consulting, all the tuning etc we do in-house. Generally we refer all of our customers to Subaru of Calgary for the actual installs as their Master Tech. is absolutely one of the finest in Canada. (won several Master Tech competitions). They also get a bit of a discount when getting the labour done there as well.

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Wheels - you you're interested in a set of Rotas, we carry those as well. They aren't bad for the money. Depending on model of Rota prices range from $550US-$600US for their 17x7.5" wheels. They're available from us at $1199CAD - $1349CAD (inclusive of taxes, duties as well as shipping via 2nd day DHL)
Suspension - If you're looking for coil-overs, there are several options out there. Based on past experience, the TIEN HA's are a little stiff for the roads here in Alberta. The DMS 40's aren't bad, the 50's maybe overkill. The APEX coil-overs are made in Holland and are quite nice. We'd recommend to go with either the Bilstein PSS9 or the H&R's. To achieve this height adjustability at a fraction of the cost would be Ground Control's with the appropriate spring rate coupled w/ KYB AGX's.
The FHI 20mm rear swaybar from the Sedan will work, it's up 3mm from your Wagon, and will be sufficient. The ALK in the front as well as new bushings will definately give you a better feel.
Gauges - Boost, EGT, Oil Temp. would be the 3 recommended gauges. Others that would be useful would be Water Temp, Oil Pressure, Fuel Pressure, A/R (only with a correct wideband O2).
Springs - As mentioned above under suspension, if you're going coil-over then springs are already included, however with the DMS you'll have to choose yoru spring rates. If you're looking for a spring & strut combo. We have availble a JDM rate spec spring that'll lower about 30mm, and is progressive. Coupled with a set of AGX's and it gives a nice ride.
Brakes - As direwlf mentioned, a set of stock sized rotors in either slotted or x-drilled (depending on use), cryo'd + SS lines, fluid and a good set of pads is all you'll really need (unless you need crazy braking power). Stoptech brakes will not work on the 16x6.5" wheels.
Power Upgrades - you're best off going with a turbo-back right off the bat to maintain a minimum piping diameter of 3". All of the "cat-backs" that you can add a down-pipe to later on are all 2.5" at the junction mating to the cat. Do it right once, and forget about it. Our exhaust (street spec one) has no issues with CEL's like other exhausts (there have yet to be cases reported that relate to our exhaust for CEL's that are triggered) Catless up-pipe should be done at this time to reduce labor costs too. The turbo I mentioned to you in the PM will probably be best for your situation, as you want minimal lag while increase capacity. Email us directly for the AWD dyno charts along with a non-biased 3rd party tester's review of just the turbo up-grade alone (ie: no tuning afterwards).

Check your PM's

Wrxtasy - You're partially right about the cat-back, depending on which you go with (as well as piping size etc). Your spool-up time will decrease as the internal volume of the piping increases. Powergains are present, however not nearly as pronouced as just a turbo-back alone. Our street spec turbo-backs have yet to cause CEL issues. Many of the problem matic ones are the BPM, APS, MRT, TXS (few) systems that have caused CEL's.

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OMFG!!!! someone says they have 10G's to spend and MR. university student self run out of his basement ion performance jumps all over it......

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We do performance consulting, all the tuning etc we do in-house. Generally we refer all of our customers to Subaru of Calgary for the actual installs as their Master Tech. is absolutely one of the finest in Canada. (won several Master Tech competitions). They also get a bit of a discount when getting the labour done there as well.
i would like to know what kind of in house tuning mr. ion performance has done without blowing up something in his garage. . i'll be asking subaru of calgary about these "discounts"

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is this your sales tatics..... you bash other products to make the ones you sell sound superior?
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inpreza kid - The replies made were simply an objective view of what is available for a given budget. Everyone should do their homework first before making any decisions. If he does his homework, sorts through exactly what he's after in terms of a goal, then it makes things much easier. As well, by providing options and/or suggestions here does not consititute an obligation to purchase. If one chooses to purchase from me great, but if not that's fine as well. Everyone has choices, and what suits them best will determine their decision.

To address your various comments. Yes it's a home based consulting business, however this does not indicate knowledge, quality, customer service that is provided. Yes you're entitled to your own personal opinion, however there are many other's that've dealt with me as well, give high praises. Please be objective and not subjective.

There are at least 6 WRX's here in Calgary that I have personally done consulting/tuning for. None of them have had problems. Coincidentally today, I will be finishing up another N/A Legacy 4EAT GT. Often times physical trial and error earns quite a bit of merit on the learning curve, however this only adds to the knowledge pool.

In regards to your comments about product bashing, that is not the case. Anyone can feel free to run a search and that is exactly the results they will find. It's no mystery on how to do a search; it's easy to find out things such as CEL issues on the various systems out there that are offered. All that was stated that those tended to be the problematic ones that have shown up most common.

I generally call ahead to S.O.C to let them know that a customer is getting work done, and when they go in, the service manager generally gives a discount.

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Old 08-23-2002, 01:33 PM   #22
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I belive ION is responding to a request that Instant made.

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i'm really surprised you showed up here JACK... please push your products elsewhere... your deceit is not needed here... all the WRX's you have tuned are guinea pigs and my car included... having miswired my car to your unichip and learning off of me you now are misrepresenting about your tuning ability, where are all the tuned WRXs? uploading maps don't count. you are a parts reseller and leave it at that... DO NOT knock other products because your exhausts have a lot of problems with fitment also. even though all the problems are not documented on i-club you have problems of your own and with your own products.

also how is inpreza kid being subjective? he asked questions. You have told people about your shop and in house tuning misleading customers that you actually have an office or building of some sort, don't cross the Jack or you will find the other side harsh. I won't say any details but stay out of sight. use pms if you have too but don't let me see you misleading people again....

btw for everyone else... I DO NOT RECOMMEND ION PERFORMANCE.. i like others know that Lechute subaru is higly skilled and well worth the extra costs and shipping. remember you get what you pay for... and sometimes in the case of ION performance you don't.
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Old 08-23-2002, 01:40 PM   #24
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lol. is this a joke or something. honestly you don't think anyone buy's into this do you?

IF and IF you have done work on wrx's legacy's.....etc why don't you give everyone some info here. also why don't you tell these people to sign on to i-club. IMO i don't believe a single word you say. so please tell me more about these cars you claim to have modified..
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Hey guys, try and keep things on topic here.

If you guys have beef, start another thread about it. Keep this one clean. Thanks.
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