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Old 04-04-2012, 08:12 AM   #1
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Mini is developing its hottest model yet. Speaking ahead of the New York motor show, Mini's Dr Kay Segler said the Mini GP II will be launched at Mini United 2012 in La Castellet in May.
Little is known about the model, although it is likely to carry a tuned version of the Cooper Ss 1.6-litre turbocharged engine. Power is likely to be rated at around 220bhp.
Mini said: "With a particularly high-performance turbo engine, racing-oriented suspension technology and exclusive, aerodynamically optimized body components, the Mini John Cooper Works GP follows in the footsteps of its predecessor, which caused a stir back in 2005 as the most powerful and the fastest road-approved Mini at the time."
Test mules have been spotted. The Mini GP II will have a lower ride height and bespoke bumpers, rear diffuser and rear tailgate spoiler. A modern take on the original GPs four-spoke alloy wheels are likely to be fitted as standard.
It is not yet known whether the GP II will have two or four seats; the original had a stripped-out rear with an exposed strut brace. Like the previous car, which was limited to 2000 units, it is likely the Mini GP will be a sought-after special edition.
Dr Segler also revealed the Mini Countryman JCW will launch in North America this year.
A special edition version of the hatchback will also be launched. The Mini 10 Years Anniversary will be offered to American buyers, celebrating a decade of the brand's involvement in the market. Based on the Mini Cooper, it will be offered with a choice of three colour schemes: red, white and blue reflecting the colours on the American flag.
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Old 04-04-2012, 10:33 AM   #2
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And it will cost $45,000.......
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Old 04-04-2012, 10:43 AM   #3
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And they will sell all 2000 of them before they arrive at the dealerships
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Old 04-04-2012, 10:52 AM   #4
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GP's are pretty cool cars. A little...odd...but pretty cool.

And maybe a little overpriced still.

Hopefully this one will have some balls and more than 220 hp.
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Old 04-04-2012, 11:19 AM   #5
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Wish they would give us a rally inspired model instead.

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lol i could never see myself buying a car like this for 45k. I would get a Boss 302 or something.... manly for that price.

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Old 04-04-2012, 01:04 PM   #6
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Test drive that ugly duckling Nissan Juke before you buy a Mini
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Old 04-04-2012, 02:25 PM   #7
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Hmm. I wonder what auto-x class this thing will end up in.

Most likely buried due to low production volume, which is not really a bad thing.
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Old 04-04-2012, 02:29 PM   #8
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Test drive that ugly duckling Nissan Juke before you buy a Mini
While the Juke is out-classing the overly-stiff Countryman in comparison tests, it's no match for the Cooper.
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Old 04-04-2012, 03:23 PM   #9
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And they will sell all 2000 of them before they arrive at the dealerships
Exactly. These limited edition cars can be a great angle: fanbois have sometihng to get excited about, dealers get increased traffic and the manufacturer gets to sell a modest number of high profit cars.

People can bitch about the price or lack of power but if they all sell then MINI = winner.
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Old 04-04-2012, 03:41 PM   #10
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Exactly. These limited edition cars can be a great angle: fanbois have sometihng to get excited about, dealers get increased traffic and the manufacturer gets to sell a modest number of high profit cars.

People can bitch about the price or lack of power but if they all sell then MINI = winner.
This is why fanboys are a bad thing. They allow companies to take advantage of them willingly. I hate it when companies win for reasons other than just having a superior product at a lower cost. I actually typically hate it when companies aren't surviving by the skin of their teeth, because then they aren't as motivated to innovate, undercut, and produce truly better products.

Oh well, I don't have to buy it and I can talk **** to everyone who buys it to help the situation I guess.

Same thing goes for the BRZ and its raving following.
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Old 04-04-2012, 04:06 PM   #11
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This is why fanboys are a bad thing. They allow companies to take advantage of them willingly. I hate it when companies win for reasons other than just having a superior product at a lower cost. I actually typically hate it when companies aren't surviving by the skin of their teeth, because then they aren't as motivated to innovate, undercut, and produce truly better products.

Oh well, I don't have to buy it and I can talk **** to everyone who buys it to help the situation I guess.

Same thing goes for the BRZ and its raving following.
Yes, because profit on one product never allows a company to produce another product that might be great but not as profitable. Everything should be sold for just break even. Market shouldn't dictate price.

You have virtually zero experience in anything yet you have all the answers.

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Old 04-04-2012, 04:27 PM   #12
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People can bitch about the price or lack of power but if they all sell then MINI = winner.
220 is quite a punch for a tiny FWD car. My unmolested Cooper S's engine pumps out enough to make me not miss my stage 2 STi.
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220 is quite a punch for a tiny FWD car. My unmolested Cooper S's engine pumps out enough to make me not miss my stage 2 STi.
Yes but truth is its not nearly as fast.
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Yes but truth is its not nearly as fast.
Which is a good thing.. more speed costs more money in the form of gas, brakes, tickets, lawyers and insurance. Nobody is timing my commute, so enjoyment counts for far more than speed.

I couldn't be happier having ditched my STI for a MCS.
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Old 04-04-2012, 05:59 PM   #15
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I liked my MCS, it was fun as hell to drive, the paint stayed on, turned on a dime, stereo sounded way better then my WRX, felt comfortable at any speed or in any corner, and wasn't all that slow either. Plus, No matter how fast you were going you could make an emergency maneuver across several lanes without soiling your pants. All around good car, and got great gas mileage.
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Old 04-04-2012, 08:55 PM   #16
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Um, just so everyone remembers, the Mazdaspeed3 is the fwd that is touched by the hand of God, not the mcs.......... ;-)
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As it should be! What car can touch it for 23000 dollars
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As it should be! What car can touch it for 23000 dollars
Well, you can't beat it a a performance car for that price. A MX-5 or MCS (C Stock) will run circles around the MS3 (D Stock) at an autocross.


... not that I'm trying to discount the MS3 in any way.. just pointing out that a super low car with a super short wheelbase and superior suspension makes up for a lot of power in the right venue
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Old 04-04-2012, 09:57 PM   #19
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Peace bro.

You could not be more right!
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Um, just so everyone remembers, the Mazdaspeed3 is the fwd that is touched by the hand of God, not the mcs.......... ;-)
That's not the hand of God that you're feeling, it's torque steer.
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Yes, because profit on one product never allows a company to produce another product that might be great but not as profitable. Everything should be sold for just break even. Market shouldn't dictate price.

You have virtually zero experience in anything yet you have all the answers.
I didn't propose to have the answers to (I don't even know the question here)? I simply hate people who are okay spending more money for false assets like exclusivity or special edition, etc. Other people like that, its cool and I know its not changing, nor would I ever try to (freedom is good), but I can still voice my opinion on how stupid said person is to me.

Believe me, I understand how economics dictates companies produce what customers want and sell it for the highest price they can get. I just don't like it when customers don't even try to unite against a corporation to bring them into line.

Also, 2000 units (even at 45k) won't make a scratch in terms of other ventures, nor do I think funds should be reallocated to artificially support endeavors under the same company. If the product is just that undesirable that it needs help staying alive, don't bother.
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That's not the hand of God that you're feeling, it's torque steer.
I lol'd.
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Old 04-05-2012, 10:10 AM   #23
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I didn't propose to have the answers to (I don't even know the question here)? I simply hate people who are okay spending more money for false assets like exclusivity or special edition, etc. Other people like that, its cool and I know its not changing, nor would I ever try to (freedom is good), but I can still voice my opinion on how stupid said person is to me.

Believe me, I understand how economics dictates companies produce what customers want and sell it for the highest price they can get. I just don't like it when customers don't even try to unite against a corporation to bring them into line.

Also, 2000 units (even at 45k) won't make a scratch in terms of other ventures, nor do I think funds should be reallocated to artificially support endeavors under the same company. If the product is just that undesirable that it needs help staying alive, don't bother.
What you are for is completely free markets, where people have a choice to buy what they want.

What you have to understand is that people WANT exclusivity. They want to be individual. If that comes with a price, then they are willing to pay it.

This is not a recent event. When GrOG lived in a cave during precambrian times, he had two women and a big club. Well DoRG in the came next store got a club, he wanted a bigger one.

this one up mans ship is just standard fare. If a company can find a way to make money off of people doing it then great.

Keep in mind at the end of the day these people are lining up to buy this product. THEY WANT IT.

Are you some how under the assumption that they do not know they are paying a lot of money for what is a relatively small and inexpensive car.

Get mad if they are being taken advantage of. Peace, I am with you on that, but these are not fools buying these cars, they are going into it with eyes wide open.

I say if it makes them happy, power to them.
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I didn't propose to have the answers to (I don't even know the question here)? I simply hate people who are okay spending more money for false assets like exclusivity or special edition, etc. Other people like that, its cool and I know its not changing, nor would I ever try to (freedom is good), but I can still voice my opinion on how stupid said person is to me.

Believe me, I understand how economics dictates companies produce what customers want and sell it for the highest price they can get. I just don't like it when customers don't even try to unite against a corporation to bring them into line.

Also, 2000 units (even at 45k) won't make a scratch in terms of other ventures, nor do I think funds should be reallocated to artificially support endeavors under the same company. If the product is just that undesirable that it needs help staying alive, don't bother.
What are customers uniting against in this case? This isn't a monopoly and we are all being forced to pay an exorbitant amount for an item and should band together in protest. This is a limited production car that appeals to a select demographic who will willingly pay the asking price. So again, what exactly is wrong with this business model in this scenario?
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His problem is that it's not a 2500 lb, $20k, 350 hp car.
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