Fisker may drop Delaware for new sedan production

[AVANTI R5]

NEW YORK -- Fisker Automotive may use other manufacturing options for its new sedan, called the Atlantic, besides the long-planned Wilmington, Del., facility.

In an interview here Tuesday night, recently installed Fisker CEO Tom LaSorda said, "The whole plan has changed."

"Wilmington is our primary site…but there are other options. We have to look at what's best for the company and the shareholders," LaSorda said.
A decision on where to build the Atlantic is expected by the end of summer, LaSorda said. That will put a serious delay in the launch of the car, which was to begin pilot production by the second half of this year.

If mothballed Wilmington is still determined to be the best plant site, LaSorda said the plant could be set up "really quickly."

"We just need to set up a paint shop," he said. LaSorda hinted that Wilmington could instead be used to build a third vehicle, on a different platform from the Atlantic.

The Atlantic, unveiled here, is projected to be a $50,000 to $60,000 extended-range plug-in hybrid sedan about the size of an Audi A5 or BMW 3-series.

Fisker Automotive announced that it had raised $132 million of private capital in March. It has not taken any Department of Energy money since May, funds which went toward development of the Karma.

But further drawdowns were expected to be allocated for production at Wilmington. By not taking more DOE money, Fisker has more flexibility as far as who might build the car, and where.

"We are looking at other strategic partnerships. Everything is possible. We will make this car with or without the DOE," said Fisker Executive Chairman Henrik Fisker. He declined to give specifics.

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[SCRAPPYDO]

It just keeps getting better.

[XanRules]

Good thing the DoE cut off their funding.
**** em.

[Cowboy Neal]

Masterauto will have a thing or 2 to say bout this...

[SCRAPPYDO]

So will my good friend Calamity.

[alphaomega0]

hmmm what does this remind me of, its at the tip of my tongue, thats right solyndra

[HipToBeSquare]

Maybe like Solyndra, and the three or four others like it...

But the Government is terribly two-faced.

They give away tons and tons of money, but then turn around, and have the 2nd highest, (will be highest, when japan lowers soon) corporate taxes, and the most restrictive regulations for actually DOING business within the borders of the US...

Nobody can afford to operate day-to-day here, whether the product is legit, or a boondoggle for campaign contributors to recoup a bunch of government allocated money that never had a solid business case.

[Masterauto]

Ancient History, never did anything there. I talked to folks working there. They said only demolition going on.
https://picasaweb.google.com/1029883...13334376928738

https://picasaweb.google.com/1029883...lyWilmingtonDE

[sxotty]

Originally Posted by HipToBeSquare

Maybe like Solyndra, and the three or four others like it...

But the Government is terribly two-faced.

They give away tons and tons of money, but then turn around, and have the 2nd highest, (will be highest, when japan lowers soon) corporate taxes, and the most restrictive regulations for actually DOING business within the borders of the US...

Nobody can afford to operate day-to-day here, whether the product is legit, or a boondoggle for campaign contributors to recoup a bunch of government allocated money that never had a solid business case.

Why do you continue to make up such BS? You can at least try to come up with semi believable rants. Corporations here actually pay around 25%.

[Indocti Discant]

either way, as long as it ensures that the Company survives and is ongoing entity it gives us a greater chance of recovering the DOE loan that has been disbursed.

[Calamity Jesus]

Originally Posted by SCRAPPYDO

So will my good friend Calamity.

Things are bad.. but I still think it's way too early to throw Fisker under the bus.

According to that article, you were correct about where the disbursed portion of the DOE loans went, Scrappy. My bad.

Originally Posted by Indocti Discant

either way, as long as it ensures that the Company survives and is ongoing entity it gives us a greater chance of recovering the DOE loan that has been disbursed.

This. If you want the gov/taxpayers to get their money back..

[alphaomega0]

^^^^
for that to happen they should have had a solid business plan of " I AM GOING TO ACTUALLY BUILD THIS " not , oh let me just spew something out to show i am maybe working to make a product so they dont cut my funding shenanigans.

hybrid systems are the biggest scam ever, today we have battery technology which can go for 500km per charge but you wont see that rolling out anytime soon .

[sxotty]

Actually hybrids are a great idea. We are talking about plug ins here though.

[Indocti Discant]

Originally Posted by alphaomega0

^^^^
for that to happen they should have had a solid business plan of " I AM GOING TO ACTUALLY BUILD THIS " not , oh let me just spew something out to show i am maybe working to make a product so they dont cut my funding shenanigans.

hybrid systems are the biggest scam ever, today we have battery technology which can go for 500km per charge but you wont see that rolling out anytime soon .

proof or get the **** out.

[sxotty]

There is no need for proof. It is extremely easy you just put in a bigger nice battery. Problem is they are $$$.

[alphaomega0]

Originally Posted by Indocti Discant

proof or get the **** out.

whats the point? just for a reference i am an electrical engineer and i can tell you its been possible for a while now, just take a look at who killed the electric car which was built 30 years ago, imagine where it would have gone by now, my university came up with a very efficient electric car and was bought and shelved..

just ask your self this, is it really possible that tech like this gets killed all the time due to huge special interest who dont want to lose big $$?

last but not least , tesla was about to give free energy to the world before he got shot down by JP morgan, that was more then 150 years ago. dont believe me just do the research.

[alphaomega0]

Originally Posted by alphaomega0

whats the point? just for a reference i am an electrical engineer and i can tell you its been possible for a while now, just take a look at who killed the electric car which was built 30 years ago, imagine where it would have gone by now, my university came up with a very efficient electric car and was bought and shelved..

just ask your self this, is it really possible that tech like this gets killed all the time due to huge special interest who dont want to lose big $$?

last but not least , tesla was about to give free energy to the world before he got shot down by JP morgan, that was more then 150 years ago. dont believe me just do the research.

and if you ask 90% the people they wont even know who tesla is, makes you wonder why? specially when he was the father of robotics,wirless , ac power,etc etc.. no mention of him anywhere in the schooling system, he is barely mentioned in electrical engineering, so go figure.

[Indocti Discant]

Originally Posted by alphaomega0

whats the point? just for a reference i am an electrical engineer and i can tell you its been possible for a while now, just take a look at who killed the electric car which was built 30 years ago, imagine where it would have gone by now, my university came up with a very efficient electric car and was bought and shelved..

just ask your self this, is it really possible that tech like this gets killed all the time due to huge special interest who dont want to lose big $$?

last but not least , tesla was about to give free energy to the world before he got shot down by JP morgan, that was more then 150 years ago. dont believe me just do the research.

instead of going conspiracy theory on us, "trust me I am a scientist" just provide some proof of this 500km single charge vehicle.

[sxotty]

310 miles range electric car isn't hard

http://www.teslamotors.com/models/options

That already has a listing
40 kWh 160 miles $50k
60 kWh 230 miles $60k
80 kWh 300 miles $70k

Do you think they could not make it 310 miles instead by adding a few more kWh of storage? Like I said it is $$$. I agree with your sentiment with regards to conspiracy BS, but we definitely have the technology to do it. Just not to do it cheaply, nor does 310 miles suddenly make it perfect. Why not 303, 107, etc...?

[alphaomega0]

Originally Posted by sxotty

310 miles range electric car isn't hard

http://www.teslamotors.com/models/options

That already has a listing
40 kWh 160 miles $50k
60 kWh 230 miles $60k
80 kWh 300 miles $70k

http://www.electricautosport.com/201...-its-possible/


Do you think they could not make it 310 miles instead by adding a few more kWh of storage? Like I said it is $$$. I agree with your sentiment with regards to conspiracy BS, but we definitely have the technology to do it. Just not to do it cheaply, nor does 310 miles suddenly make it perfect. Why not 303, 107, etc...?

http://www.electricautosport.com/201...-its-possible/

the next generation of laptop battery is going to last 40hrs under load, and thats not 10 years down the road its right around a corner.

http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2008/01/stanford-scient/

, its not new technology . the tech thats given to civilian sector is at least 10 years behind military tech.

ask your self why its more expensive, they make half ass attempts to replace gas , they do stuff like solyndra and fisker just to leave a bad taste in the publics mouth to hold back the actual solution to the problem, they come out with useless hybrid cars.
wireless transmission of power has been available for 150 years!! like i said before tesla did it, they could have done away with all the power stations and just charge you in the city on the fly without even the need for a massive battery, same thing for outside as long as your within a grid. japan just strated a project to do this.

http://www.mi2g.com/cgi/mi2g/framese...ess/130610.php


no need for this hybrid bull, no need to pretend that its a huge cost to have so many charging stations built to replace the gas stations..

its a bit frustrating to know all this, specially when you work with the industry and you see how greedy little trolls block technological evolution just to line there pockets.

[Indocti Discant]

so why arent these cars on the road? Did these companies bother applying for a DOE loan? Or is this another BYD E6 stituation?

In addition was this technology available 3-4 years ago when plans for producing cars that are available now go into effect?

[HipToBeSquare]

Originally Posted by sxotty

Why do you continue to make up such BS? You can at least try to come up with semi believable rants. Corporations here actually pay around 25%.

http://articles.businessinsider.com/...centage-points

With Japan dropping their corporate tax rate to 38% on Sunday, America now leads the world in corporate tax rate at 39.2% reports the OECD.

While most nations have seen their rates steadily decline over the past 20 years, America has had a relatively stagnant rate. As Taxfoundation.com cites, there have been 133 major corporate tax rate cuts globally since 2006. Meanwhile, America's continues to remain close to 40% as it has since the late 1980's.

From the Taxfoundation.com:

Currently, the U.S. corporate rate is more than 50 percent higher than the simple average of the 33 other member nations in the OECD. And, our rate is roughly ten percentage points higher than the weighted average of OECD nations.

Read more: http://articles.businessinsider.com/...#ixzz1r8cKTnfX

What was that about BS? Our tax code is BS? yup. Your accusation at me, and your 25% statistic is similarly BS? Yup on that one, too.

Corporations are groups of people, not individual people themselves. A corporation is a business entity that passes on it's expenses as costs of doing business to their customers or clients. Corporations may have taxes levied, but they don't pay them, they 'expense' them.

Corporate taxes always roll down hill as built-in price increases, until individual people pay the price for the good or service at the end user level.

Real people who earn and spend money are the ones who pay ALL taxes, whether they are hidden within economic activity, or directly levied.

[sxotty]

Originally Posted by HipToBeSquare

http://articles.businessinsider.com/...centage-points

What was that about BS? Our tax code is BS? yup. Your accusation at me, and your 25% statistic is similarly BS? Yup on that one, too.

It is so funny that you get all irate and are completely misinformed.

http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d08950.pdf

The average U.S. effective tax rate on the domestic income of large corporations with positive domestic income in 2004 was an estimated 25.2 percent.

So like I said 25%. This was in 2004, guess what it was in 2011?

A whopping 12.1% Call the tax police we are strangling those poor corporations with our high 12% tax rate. Cry Cry Cry.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...NewsCollection

Jeez I wish people would educate themselves before throwing tantrums.

Originally Posted by HipToBeSquare

Corporations are groups of people, not individual people themselves. A corporation is a business entity that passes on it's expenses as costs of doing business to their customers or clients. Corporations may have taxes levied, but they don't pay them, they 'expense' them.

Corporate taxes always roll down hill as built-in price increases, until individual people pay the price for the good or service at the end user level.

Real people who earn and spend money are the ones who pay ALL taxes, whether they are hidden within economic activity, or directly levied.

I am glad you brought this up since you are further undermining your point. Those countries with a lower statutory corporate rate have higher taxes on personal income. And in reality many have higher actual corporate taxes like I said. So you are doubly wrong. Keep shouting from the rooftops exclaiming your misunderstanding though.

[Masterauto]

Ha ha read this old news about Fisker. They never started any production in Wilmington Delaware old GM plant. I live near there and talked to those who are doing "only demolition" there.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...oryId=99296737

[Indocti Discant]

Originally Posted by Masterauto

Ha ha read this old news about Fisker. They never started any production in Wilmington Delaware old GM plant. I live near there and talked to those who are doing "only demolition" there.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...oryId=99296737

I'm beginning to see a pattern of below average intelligence here.