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Old 04-04-2012, 11:35 AM   #1
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I have the opportunity to buy a set of wheels that I really like but the one issue is that it's VW fitment which means a hub bore of 57 mm as opposed to Subaru fitment of 56.1 mm. I can't seem to find a hub centric ring that small, and I'm not sure if I want to have a custom "spacer" made to have a 1mm ring on it.

My question is, is the 1mm difference an issue? As much as I like these wheels, I don't have a problem with walking away from the deal if it means possibly damaging the car or compromising safety.

The wheels are 5x100 and like most VW wheels, have ball seat lugs, which are included in the sale.
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I don't think it's that expensive to have spacers made.
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Old 04-04-2012, 12:07 PM   #3
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It's not a matter of expense, I just doubt they make spacers with a .9 mm lip. That's like business card thin.
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I have the opportunity to buy a set of wheels that I really like but the one issue is that it's VW fitment which means a hub bore of 57 mm as opposed to Subaru fitment of 56.1 mm. I can't seem to find a hub centric ring that small, and I'm not sure if I want to have a custom "spacer" made to have a 1mm ring on it.

My question is, is the 1mm difference an issue? As much as I like these wheels, I don't have a problem with walking away from the deal if it means possibly damaging the car or compromising safety.

The wheels are 5x100 and like most VW wheels, have ball seat lugs, which are included in the sale.
As long as you're careful when mounting them, it should be an issue. Also, make sure the lugs are 12x1.25 thread pitch. I think VW uses 12x1.5.
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Please elaborate on how to carefully mount them. I don't understand what you mean by that. Thanks.
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Old 04-04-2012, 07:50 PM   #6
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Just mount them. People run without hub rings all the time.

I would recommend step-torquing, though. Something all hand tight, then all 30 ft/lbs while the wheel is in the air, then all to spec once the car is on the ground.
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I would recommend step-torquing, though. Something all hand tight, then all 30 ft/lbs while the wheel is in the air, then all to spec once the car is on the ground.
^^ That's what I mean by careful.

And did you verify the lugs are the correct thread pitch?
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Old 04-05-2012, 09:17 AM   #8
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The seller is including ball seat washer adapters that are to be used with my lug nuts.
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Check the thread engagement with those adapter washers.
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Turns out the seller is a Subaru owner. He bought the wheels without realizing that they were VW specific. He also ordered the ball seat adapters.

I appreciate your feedback. My main concern is what issues may arise as a result of a slightly larger hub bore. Vibrations? Alignment out of wack? Sheared studs?
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Just mount them. People run without hub rings all the time.
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The seller is including ball seat washer adapters that are to be used with my lug nuts.
OK. I thought you meant he was including actual lugs. As vision said, check to make sure you have enough threads for the lugs.
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been there done that....ya just gotta tighten them up in steps, in the usual crossing pattern paying attention to making sure they center properly

if you get a vibration....look carefully at each one and you can likely tell which one may be a bit 'off' and 'adjust it'
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I tried mounting my old GTi wheels on my 02 WRX they fit ; but the issue is the ball seat LUG Bolt that VW uses.
I tried to find lugnuts that would work (or have them made) and the safest solution I came up with was having to swap all the Subaru lug studs 12x1.25 to 12x1.5 Studs and use Honda Ball Seat lug nuts.However the VW is a 14mm bolt with approprate ball radius. The honda nut is simply too small, and all the hubs would have to be drilled for 14mm Studs to run VW stud conversion nuts.

The WRX ran fine with tuner lugs but after seeing the minimal contact points on the wheel it definatly was not safe. Decided to sell the wheels.

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Blktrax, not sure what you mean or why you went with Honda lug nuts and changed the studs. Don't they make spherical lug nuts in 12x1.25?

A simply Google search pulled these up...

Otis Inc LA European Made Closed Lug Nut M12x1.25, R12 Ball Seat + Stainless Steel Cap (Box of 20)




The seller sent me a video of him mounting the wheels to the car and showing the ball seat adapter and lug nut mating, then threads them onto the stud by hand and he spun it 12 times. I'll post it in a minute.
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He did 12 turns, each only half (or less) a full revolution. So really only 6 turns. Not enough IMO.
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The issue is VW Lug is 14mm the 12mm nut you posted a pic does not fully contact the wheel.

I researched the washer route, and no one made a 12mm hole to 14mm radius ball seat washer.

The honda lugnut route was too expensive to change all the studs and nuts, and still does not fully contact the wheel.

Drilling the hubs to take 14mm studs and use VW 14mm conversion nuts was even more costly.
More than the cost of buying proper offset x size wheels

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These have been prepetually out of stock for over a year, that was my very fisrt phone call.

If you can accually find a set you can buy.... but the issue of a 12mm nut in a 14mm hole is very dangerous espically if you toss your car into corners, Cracking will devlop in the lug holes of the wheels.


see diagram above....Trust me i wanted those yellow wheels to work so badly till i was looking at well over $500 for custom 1 off engineered adapter plates. Then I bought new wheels.

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Blktrax, not sure what you mean or why you went with Honda lug nuts and changed the studs. Don't they make spherical lug nuts in 12x1.25?

A simply Google search pulled these up...

Otis Inc LA European Made Closed Lug Nut M12x1.25, R12 Ball Seat + Stainless Steel Cap (Box of 20)




The seller sent me a video of him mounting the wheels to the car and showing the ball seat adapter and lug nut mating, then threads them onto the stud by hand and he spun it 12 times. I'll post it in a minute.
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He did 12 turns, each only half (or less) a full revolution. So really only 6 turns. Not enough IMO.
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The issue is VW Lug is 14mm the 12mm nut you posted a pic does not fully contact the wheel.

I researched the washer route, and no one made a 12mm hole to 14mm radius ball seat washer.

The honda lugnut route was too expensive to change all the studs and nuts, and still does not fully contact the wheel.

Drilling the hubs to take 14mm studs and use VW 14mm conversion nuts was even more costly.
More than the cost of buying proper offset x size wheels
I see what you guys mean and I appreciate the input. With all of the potential risks associated with running these, I believe I'm going to pass, unfortunately.
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If these are in fact what was in the video

http://www.vwparts.net/MB9508.html
That may get you by: thats what the guys on IWSTI.com are running to use CRV wheels for winter.
http://www.iwsti.com/forums/gd-tires...n-pics-17.html

However the Honda wheel has a 12mm hole not a 14mm hole,

It's your car, just trying to share my very simmilar experience with this.

The end result being I did not feel safe using my car the way it was designed with wheels attached like that.
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Those ball seat Otis lugs can be bought here:
http://www.otisincla.com/product/B-D...Steel-Cap.html


I'm not sure if some VW wheels are different, but I have some BBS from a Wolfsburg Jetta and no lug sits that low as a 14mm lug seat. Mine seems to be a 12mm lugseat still.
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My Monte Carlos, pictured above in yellow; and my Long Beach's from my '02 MkIV GTi were both 14mm Radius Ball seat.
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Anyone solve this mystery yet and safely able to mount vw wheels to a wrx?
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Anyone solve this mystery yet and safely able to mount vw wheels to a wrx?
Yeah. You put the wheels on the studs, then torque them down.
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