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Old 05-09-2012, 10:21 AM   #26
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Default NJMP anyone else going?

Well this weekends weather looks perfect for NJMP racing. I'll be parking in the Subaru Corral and cheering on the #35 team as always.

Hope to see a great Subaru turn-out in the corral.

Update the Subaru Road Racing Team is second quickest in final practice. They should be fighting for the pole and then the win on Saturday.
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Old 05-12-2012, 06:45 AM   #27
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I believe the Subaru has been no worse than 3rd in any session so far this weekend. They'll be very good today.

Stop by and say hi if you get a chance, I have a nice little area carved out for my tires between the GS and GT trailers. the best time for me this weekend will probably be tomorrow morning. Today is going to be pretty crazy for me with practice and qualifying for both series and the GS race all happening today.
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Old 05-12-2012, 12:24 PM   #28
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Subie on pole!
Subie leading the race!
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Old 05-12-2012, 03:17 PM   #29
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Big congrats to Phoenix Performance and Subaru for finishing 3rd! It's been a long hard road for them, this podium finished is well deserved IMO. Good job guys and keep up the good work!
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Old 05-12-2012, 05:46 PM   #30
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Way to go SRRT!!!! Way to rock NJMP!!!
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Old 05-12-2012, 06:38 PM   #31
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Big congrats to Phoenix Performance and Subaru for finishing 3rd! It's been a long hard road for them, this podium finished is well deserved IMO. Good job guys and keep up the good work!
Are you talking about the Homestead race that was re-played today on Speed? That wasn't today's race. Today's race was more better for those guys according to the results...
http://www.grand-am.com/scheduleResu...eid=3436&sid=2
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Old 05-12-2012, 10:42 PM   #32
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Great run at NJMP! Glad we were able to see them win today!
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Old 05-13-2012, 02:03 PM   #33
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Congrats!!!! I was at the teams first win with the Spec.B at Lime Rock years ago.
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Old 05-13-2012, 02:54 PM   #34
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Amazing win against those v8's. all the more considering the engine is *basically* stock. way to go! I wish I could watch it live instead of a week after.
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They showed the DP and GT today, next weekend they'll show the Suby run at NJMP
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Set your DVR for Speed Channel on the 26th.
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Amazing win against those v8's. all the more considering the engine is *basically* stock. way to go! I wish I could watch it live instead of a week after.
The Subaru actually has a lot more power increase allowed compared to stock than pretty much any other car in the series. They're allowed a maximum of 2485 millibars of boost, just a smidge over 36 PSI, Crawford pistons, a Blouch turbo, and an Agency air box. Most of the other GS cars, including the Mustangs, Camaros, BMWs, Astons, and Porsche 997s, have to have all of those components be stock OE parts. Though the engine is still stockish, it's a lot less stock than most of the other GS cars.

It was a pretty impressive run, and perhaps a bit too impressive. I'll be surprised if Grand-Am doesn't do something to slow the car down, my guess would be via a reduction in boost.
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Old 05-14-2012, 11:49 AM   #38
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It was an exciting race to watch. Overall, I didn't think the STI was any quicker on the straights than any of the other GS cars...but it sure could hustle out of the corners better than the others...at least at NJMP. The 35 was also very good on long runs compared to what I saw with the others.
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The Subaru actually has a lot more power increase allowed compared to stock than pretty much any other car in the series. They're allowed a maximum of 2485 millibars of boost, just a smidge over 36 PSI, Crawford pistons, a Blouch turbo, and an Agency air box. Most of the other GS cars, including the Mustangs, Camaros, BMWs, Astons, and Porsche 997s, have to have all of those components be stock OE parts. Though the engine is still stockish, it's a lot less stock than most of the other GS cars.

It was a pretty impressive run, and perhaps a bit too impressive. I'll be surprised if Grand-Am doesn't do something to slow the car down, my guess would be via a reduction in boost.
Took the attention off the Porsche's for a week. Looks like we might get another race or two until they start slapping the Carreras with power restrictors or adding weight...
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Old 05-14-2012, 01:11 PM   #40
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Took the attention off the Porsche's for a week. Looks like we might get another race or two until they start slapping the Carreras with power restrictors or adding weight...
I'm guessing that you missed that Grand Am added 100 lbs to the 997's between Homestead and New Jersey. It looks like that was enough to bring them back in line with most of the field. As the rules are right now, I think the Subaru needs to be slowed down some, and the Aston needs to be slowed down a little bit. I also think the 370 and Cayman S need a bit of help to be competitive, but it's a bit hard to say right now with no one regularly running either of those.

We have the live video feed in the pits, and the Subaru had an in car camera. At one point there was a pretty clear picture from teh Subaru of one of the Astons getting a better run mid corner and on exit, and the Subaru pulling by on the straight.
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The Subaru actually has a lot more power increase allowed compared to stock than pretty much any other car in the series. They're allowed a maximum of 2485 millibars of boost, just a smidge over 36 PSI, Crawford pistons, a Blouch turbo, and an Agency air box. Most of the other GS cars, including the Mustangs, Camaros, BMWs, Astons, and Porsche 997s, have to have all of those components be stock OE parts. Though the engine is still stockish, it's a lot less stock than most of the other GS cars.

It was a pretty impressive run, and perhaps a bit too impressive. I'll be surprised if Grand-Am doesn't do something to slow the car down, my guess would be via a reduction in boost.

Really? huh, I didn't know all that. interesting.
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Really? huh, I didn't know all that. interesting.
FYI, the "Specific Car Regulations" for each car in GS and ST can be seen at

http://www.grand-am.com/Portals/0/Im...egulations.pdf
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I'm guessing that you missed that Grand Am added 100 lbs to the 997's between Homestead and New Jersey. It looks like that was enough to bring them back in line with most of the field. As the rules are right now, I think the Subaru needs to be slowed down some, and the Aston needs to be slowed down a little bit. I also think the 370 and Cayman S need a bit of help to be competitive, but it's a bit hard to say right now with no one regularly running either of those.
I knew that it was proposed and that Rum Bum and BGB were arguing against it, but I didn't know that it had been instituted.

As much as BGB would love to keep racing Caymans, until Grand Am allows a 3.8l engine swap the chassis is dead in the water. It's really ironic that they allow all of those modifications to the STi but won't let the Cayman run another engine from the Porsche product line that would bring its PTW ratio more in line with the v8s being used in other cars in the series.

I totally agree that the Aston needs to be dialed back. I'm not convinced that the STi needs to be changed at this point.
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Old 05-14-2012, 04:05 PM   #44
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I knew that it was proposed and that Rum Bum and BGB were arguing against it, but I didn't know that it had been instituted.

As much as BGB would love to keep racing Caymans, until Grand Am allows a 3.8l engine swap the chassis is dead in the water. It's really ironic that they allow all of those modifications to the STi but won't let the Cayman run another engine from the Porsche product line that would bring its PTW ratio more in line with the v8s being used in other cars in the series.
I agree with this, and though the handling should be better on the Cayman than on the 997, it's so far down on power that it can't make up for it. I'm not sure a motor swap is an answer that's within the spirit of the class, but at least getting the Bosch ECU and an upgraded cylinder head, both of which other cars in the class have, would be reasonable.

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I totally agree that the Aston needs to be dialed back. I'm not convinced that the STi needs to be changed at this point.
I think the TV broadcast will be very telling. Due to a penalty, it started pretty far back when the last yellow flag came out, and made pretty quick work of the entire field. There were only 3 cars that ran race laps under 1:31.00 during the race: The Rum Bum Porsche at 1:30.913, the 01 CKS Camaro at 1:30.503, and the Subaru at 1:30.192. There was a similar situation at Homestead as well, except the Subaru couldn't catch the Porsches before the adjustment.

For comparison, the fastest BMW was a 1:31.165, the fastest Aston was 1:31.382, the fastest Mustang was 1:31.032, and Mustangs have won there the last two years.
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I'm still waiting on the PCA to update from this weekend, but BGB's ex-GA Caymans are now 3.8l Carrera powered and ran this weekend with the support race. I'll see what kind of times they were putting down.

We were really close to getting GA to allow an alternative final drive ratio in the Caymans when the Gen 2 Carrera rules came out. It made too much sense for them to jump chassis, especially since they already had a lot of time tuning the chassis when they ran it before, but didn't have the added power of the DFI engine.
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Old 05-14-2012, 07:26 PM   #46
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I think that GRAND-AM will bring back the Subaru a bit after these past 2 races. Without a doubt, it was the fastest car all weekend, too fast for the rest of the field to be competitive, .4 faster than P2 in qualifying. The CKS Camaro has been getting a ton of help from GM with their 2 factory drivers in the car. Coming from the driver perspective, right now the 2 cars to have are the 997 and the Aston Martin, but the BOSS and the M3 are so close it could really be a 4 car fight anywhere. The Camaro certainly has it's tracks where it's fast at, but bottom line is that the chassis is not as good as the competition. We've gotten lots of rule breaks with the car but it still has the same characteristics which don't allow it to be very competitive at lots of tracks.
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^how so? which characteristics?
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I can't wait to see the footage from this race. Even if GA makes some adjustment to the STI, I'm proud to see it on top of the podium and kicking some a$$. After all, this is a Subaru forum, so I'm biased.
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my thanks to Kfoote, Matt Monson, and Advanwrx foe giving me the inside scoop on what is happening in grand-am. As a new watcher this year it is interesting to see what is really going on in the series.
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^how so? which characteristics?
Joey, feel free to correct me if I'm wrong here, as I don't have a lot of direct experience with the Camaro, and as a result, this is pretty much just from an outsider's viewpoint.

It seems that the weak points of the Camaro more or less stem from the fact that it's physically larger than most of the other cars. It seems to be good at tracks that require good mid range torque and places where getting good power down coming out of the corners is important. It seems to be down a bit on top speed, I'm guessing because of the drag on the car and possibly gearing (Daytona, Elkhart, Watkins Glen, and probably Indy), and I'm also guessing there are some either suspension geometry or weight distrbution issues where it's a bit down on ultimate cornering ablility in the medium to high speed corners (Elkhart, Watkins Glen, Lime Rock, Mid-Ohio). It seems to be best on the point-and-squirt type tracks (Barber, Laguna, NJMP).
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