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Old 08-22-2002, 03:10 AM   #1
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Default WRX? Good drag car

I love WRX's but im a street racer. Is the WRX a good car for drag racing. I know the WRX is an entusiast car. People get them to take to the hills, some people get them cause its a rally car, but im a drag racer. I know its fast AWD but you dont see them in the NIRA or NHRA.
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Old 08-22-2002, 03:26 AM   #2
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Fantastic launch, we lose on gearing on the top end, and the AWD isn't much help at faster speeds.

As to the NIRA or NHRA stuff, the WRX is a fairly new car to the US market, just wait a bit, and you'll see them...
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Old 08-22-2002, 04:46 AM   #3
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street racing.. pfft
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Old 08-22-2002, 09:17 AM   #4
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The AWD launch will give you a good jump on just about everyone else, but you have to learn one of the following:

1. Be nice to the drivetrain and slip launch only when necessary, otherwise roll into the power in 1st if you don't need 100%
2. How to change trannies
3. How to drive a dogbox
4. Install an upgraded syncro set if you aren't going for that much power

I've always driven turbo AWD cars in the street racing scene (except for a Supra) and you just need to get a nice BIG turbo on there. Once I do that, I just take off in first a little faster than usual and then roll into the power in second. That will be much nicer to your drivetrain. The only time I don't do this is for money or against a very fast car.

Learn to roll into the power and be very smoothe.
Smooth = Fast and Longer Living

BTW, keep your stock tires; sticky ones will only put more strain on the drivetrain and you really don't have to worry about traction like a Mustang or Camaro.
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Old 08-22-2002, 03:10 PM   #5
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... BTW, keep your stock tires; sticky ones will only put more strain on the drivetrain and you really don't have to worry about traction like a Mustang or Camaro.
i agree here...
i had a previous best of a 1.7 60ft. and a 14.017 on the stockers and after a few minor mods and 17" Michelin Pilot's i thought i was going to shatter my personal best... nope! i couldnt get under a 2 sec. 60 ft. OR a sub-14 sec. run.

it *was* hotter and more humid, but i could launch beautifully on the stock tires.

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Old 08-22-2002, 04:39 PM   #6
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heavy wheels = bad for launching
I go wonderful 60ft times using tires far stickier than michelin pilots


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i agree here...
i had a previous best of a 1.7 60ft. and a 14.017 on the stockers and after a few minor mods and 17" Michelin Pilot's i thought i was going to shatter my personal best... nope! i couldnt get under a 2 sec. 60 ft. OR a sub-14 sec. run.

it *was* hotter and more humid, but i could launch beautifully on the stock tires.

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Old 08-23-2002, 04:03 PM   #7
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street racing.. pfft
i hear that, going in a straight line is stupid
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Old 08-26-2002, 07:54 AM   #8
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wanna go straight... buy a new Cobra... 11's stock nuff'said. What's it take fo a subi to go 11's?
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Old 08-26-2002, 12:18 PM   #9
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You'll own most people in a Street race. Assuming you mean drag racing street racing style, non of the freeway bad gearing stuff
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Old 08-27-2002, 12:50 AM   #10
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Whats it take for a subi to go 11's? Same as anything else time and money,an extra four cylinders wouldnt hurt either.The cobras fast no denying it .Two different cars Too many people trying to compare them.
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Old 08-29-2002, 09:17 PM   #11
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wanna go straight... buy a new Cobra... 11's stock nuff'said. What's it take fo a subi to go 11's?
11's stock ?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!!

also.. i've driven the new Cobra.. my best friend has one.. and it out handles a stock WRX in my opinion.. fantastic handling car... and such a wiiiiiide power band (can you say over 300 ft lb to the wheels all the way from 2K to 6K rpm .. getting up to about 3500 at 4K).. would make an excellent track car.. i am anxious to get his stock one out on the autoX course with some Falkens on it.

so stop stereo typing a car its obvious you know nothing about.. there are 03 Cobras running 11's.. but they arent stock.. it runs mid to high 12's (12.5-12.9) stock ..
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Old 08-29-2002, 11:32 PM   #12
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11's stock ?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!!

also.. i've driven the new Cobra.. my best friend has one.. and it out handles a stock WRX in my opinion.. fantastic handling car... and such a wiiiiiide power band (can you say over 300 ft lb to the wheels all the way from 2K to 6K rpm .. getting up to about 3500 at 4K).. would make an excellent track car.. i am anxious to get his stock one out on the autoX course with some Falkens on it.

so stop stereo typing a car its obvious you know nothing about.. there are 03 Cobras running 11's.. but they arent stock.. it runs mid to high 12's (12.5-12.9) stock ..
it can go 11's stock performance wise, just slap on some drag tires
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Old 08-30-2002, 11:02 PM   #13
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No


This red car pictured below is a good drag car, though.


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Old 08-30-2002, 11:56 PM   #14
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I think he's talking about the new 2003 Cobra that is now supercharged. I remember reading that it can run high 11's with intake, exhaust, and sc pully upgrade.

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Old 08-31-2002, 12:58 PM   #15
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I love WRX's but im a street racer. Is the WRX a good car for drag racing. I know the WRX is an entusiast car. People get them to take to the hills, some people get them cause its a rally car, but im a drag racer. I know its fast AWD but you dont see them in the NIRA or NHRA.
We'll be ar the NHRA shootout this weekend sept 7 & 8, hopefully if all goes well. I'll put a post up soon. it's at Sears Point Raceway in Sonoma Ca, I think it's not far from Turlock.
hope to see ya there

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Old 08-31-2002, 04:09 PM   #16
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I'm curious as to why many say the WRX isn't a good drag car or isn't "made" for drag racing. What mass produced car in the states IS made for drag racing? "Drag Pak" options from the manufacturer went out in the 60's

So the WRX has a rich heritage in the WRC and everything learned from years of rallying the GC8 platform has been improved upon with the GD WRX. Who's to say all the improvments and refinements aren't of any benefit on the drag strip? An ultra stiff chassic can't be that bad for drag racing, can it? Kick-ass traction, a motor that is obviously very receptible to mods, a blooming aftermarket for the car, and fabulous resources for info on them as well(namely right here on the i-club). Sounds like a perfect car for weekend drag racer to me.

And don't talk about "glass" transmissions either. There are plenty of people out there running 12s with no problems on the stock drivetrain. Sure, you'll eventually run into a problem, but then again, I know a guy who used to destroy Tremecs in his Mustang, and the car wasn't even that fast. He just abused it by not knowing how to shift. The guys who are launching and shifting properly are getting more out of the stock WRX 5spd then most ever thought possible. They are far from bullet-proof, but they are not junk either.

I personally think the WRX is a great drag car, and will continue to be one for many years. The car hasn't even been out 1 1/2 years here in the states and already there are US-Spec WRXs running deep in the 12s and breaking into the 11s. Give it time.

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Old 09-02-2002, 01:46 PM   #17
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IMO, it's not a great drag car. Any car that you have to "abuse" to get it to run a lower 1/4 mile time than the past run, doesn't make for a good drag car.

I'm biased, yeah, but that's my red Camaro. I'll drag that car all day before my Subaru would ever come near a drag strip. The Z28's running the stock Turbo 400 tranny with a 2200rpm stall converter, and a shift kit. The motor is producing 385 bhp, and 475 lbs ft of torque. No tranny problems, ever. And that car is 11 years old!

The WRX guys are running low 12's yes, but their cars aren't even two years old yet, and there are already hundreds of stories about things breaking.

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Old 09-02-2002, 06:57 PM   #18
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I think it is important that you young kids remember how long the Mustang and the Camaro have been under development for drag racing.

(By the way the Cobra is not a Mustang, it was a Ford powered AC Bristol, and Ford borrowed the name as as a model for the Mustang, so please call them Mustang Cobra's)

Have you guys any Idea how many Mustang, Camaros and other cars "designed" for drag racing had to sweep up the remains of their transmissions in the 1960's? How many clutch disks had the facing stripped off or the center twisted out by big block engine torque. Motor mounts pulled apart, alternators over reved, pistons stuffed through the oil pans, bent push rods, broken valves, broken valve springs, split transmission cases, main bearing caps blown through the oil pan, bearings spun, due to all the oil being pumped into the top of the engine block, drive line u joints blown to bits, centers twisted out of steel wheels, wheel studs sheared from shock load on launch,

The 428 Ford Mustang had an oiling problem and routinely stuffed connecting rods through the side of the engine blocks. The Chevy 409's had huge valve train problems. Pick an model, and most of the muscle cars of the late 60's had some sort of weak link, like axle breakage, and differential problems. Eventually everyone learned which componets were bullet proof, for example the 9 bolt Ford rear end. The Chevys had to learn how to control rear wheel hop on a multilink rear suspension etc etc etc.

There is a huge amount of both professional and amateur engineering that has been gradually absorbed into the current crop of high performance Amercan cars.

Your comparing a car model that has 35 years of development aimed directly at the American drag racer market against a car that has only 1 1/2 years of exposure to a large customer base that regularly drag races their cars. (due notice of the Australians and Brits who have been drag racing the WRX, but statistically that is a small sample)

Go read some old Hot Rod magazines and see the articles on how to modify oil pumps for higher output, how to pin bearings so they wouldn't spin, convert an engine block to 4 bolt mains, or install a block girdle, discussions of radiusing the fillets on crank shaft to prevent breakage, plugging oil passages and then drilling a smaller hole in the plug to limit oil flow to the top of the block, so you wouldn't pump the oil pan dry, how to make windage trays, or build deep oil pans to provide adequate oil flow when all the oil surges to the back of the pan on launch. Articles comparing the Hurst shifters to the crappy stock shift linkages. Cover story reviews of new transmission designs that would be tough enough for drag racing.

In other words you should be proud that the WRX is doing as well as it is out of the box. In a couple years we will be scaring the pants off all those big block cars.

/end friendly rant

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Old 09-03-2002, 07:28 PM   #19
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I don't buy the 11 sec stock time for the new cobra. I have a buddy that just got a new 2003 supercharged cobra....taken it to the track 4 times now in MD...best time was 12.9 in the quarter (course he can't drive worth s*%$ but I don't think that car will do 11's no matter who's driving).
The magazines don't even claim 11 sec "stock" 1/4's in that car, where'd you get that info? Yea, maybe as Jay says, with some mods to it it might but not right off the Ford lot.
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Old 09-03-2002, 10:30 PM   #20
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You want a GC8 my friend.....It's lighter the the WRX..Don't get me wrong.It's cheaper to build a big HP american car. Buts it's more fun to see their faces when you spank them in a Subaru...Gerry
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Old 09-04-2002, 12:56 AM   #21
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Heres a good exmaple of some low end snap but nothing top end Im talking 2.0 60's and 85mph trap speed I get my arse wooped top end by the cobra in my 98RS but i take him to half track. The track sucked that night for times. That run was with 17 inch wheels, no tuning by the AFC, and no nitrous.

I defintely did get a couple dirty looks and strange looks though from teh cobra owner and a camaro owner that gave me the finger later that night. on his way by

2.5RS vs 00-01 Mustang Cobra?
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Old 09-04-2002, 08:56 AM   #22
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Larry, well said. I have a friend who drag raced a T-Bolt(among other cars) back in the mid 60's and he always said thank god the parts were so cheap because they used to go through a lot of stuff, and that car WAS made for drag racing

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That's exactly my point. The guys driving the WRX properly are the ones getting more out of the car then most. The ones "abusing" the car with redline side-step clutch launches and whatnot are the ones picking up the pieces sooner then later.

I will never compare a Mustang or Camaro to a WRX as to which is ultimately the best car to get the most out of covering a 1/4 mile in, but to say a WRX is not a good drag car is not giving it a fair chance in my opinion. To say a 79 Caddy is not a good drag car, that I could understand


The WRX is a perfect example of not doing ONE thing perfect, but doing just about everything, including drag racing, very well.

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Old 09-04-2002, 03:23 PM   #23
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What makes things hard is having a good reliable daily driver than can also do well the track. Anyone can build up an older Mustang or Camaro and trailer it to the track for a few runs on the weekend. I would not want to drive that car to work or cross country on a trip.
I've owned 4 different Z28s. I've owned camaros from the early 70s, 80s, and 90s. My last z28 was a 1999 model with stage 2 head/cam package etc. Yes it was fast but I replaced the rear end and rebuilt two transmissions in one year racing it. It was also a terrible daily driver. Thats why I sold it.
The WRX is a pretty good combination reliable daily transportation combined with good all around performance.
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Old 09-05-2002, 01:43 PM   #24
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My Z28 drives well on the street, passes smog, and does good at the strip and the auto-x. BUT, it gets about 12-15mpg. Much less if you drive the car like it want's to be driven. So, it's not my daily driver.
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Old 09-05-2002, 01:46 PM   #25
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Are there any local 1/8 mi tracks near Lowell MA ?

-Lou

edited: ok ok im a moron I wanted to see what my car could do in the 1/8th... alright so i just looked at my time slips and I guess nwo I know what my car also does in the 1/8th. yea im dumb 9.56 @ 71.6 slow too
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