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Old 04-05-2012, 11:33 PM   #1
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I clay barred my entire hood for the first time and there are clear looking spots! I can't seem to get rid of them with clay bar or washing the car.

I used the step by step method with the meguiers clay bar kit I think that's what it was called. What could I be doing wrong to have these slots show. I would take pix but I don't think it would show up as I have a OBP.
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Old 04-06-2012, 12:25 AM   #2
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Are they actual spots or more like lines? a clay bar car mar paint if it's not really well lubricated. Actually, I don't usually even clay a car unless i'm going to do at least a mild polish with it. If you're not a big detail guru, you could go grab some Meguiars cleaner wax and see if that helps.
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Old 04-06-2012, 12:34 AM   #3
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I think a car should be clay bared no more than 3 times a year, i personally think it becomes unnecessary.

Now that thats out of the way, did you use the lubricant or water? Some are used with water and some are used with a particular spray.
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Old 04-06-2012, 12:38 AM   #4
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I also will use a shampoo water mixture sometimes, as that provides a very very slick finish and doesn't always dry up as fast as the lube that it comes with.
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Old 04-06-2012, 01:19 AM   #5
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You can try to polish it out, if you didn't lube it enough the clay can actually scuff the paint. When i clay bar i make sure i spray a lot so it doesn't dry up and do a small boxed area at a time. ONR mixed with water makes a great lubricant for claying.
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Old 04-06-2012, 10:27 AM   #6
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Just as methodically and huyman said if there was insufficient lubrication on the surface being clayed then your chances of marring the paint are increased.

Did the clay bar "grab" the paint at all during the process? Meaning while you were going back and forth did the bar not glide freely/stick at any point.

I know exactly what it is your referring to. It looks like a scuff mark on your paint, almost a blotchy look all over correct? Due to Subaru paints soft nature it is very susceptible to marring. I find Subaru paint to be very finicky, like a needy gf, one wrong move and you spend all week trying to make it right (timeframe exaggerated).

A light polish should clean it right up for you, such as megs ultimate polish for example. That is assuming you are going to use OTS brands.
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Old 04-06-2012, 11:35 AM   #7
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I think a car should be clay bared no more than 3 times a year, i personally think it becomes unnecessary.
I don't subscribe to any "time frame" for such things. Proper assessment is key to understanding how frequently these things are needed/desired in each individual scenario. Whether its washing, claying, polishing, waxing, etc.

In the case of how often one should use a clay bar, as with most things in detailing it depends. Obviously, if you're finding that contamination is building up on your finish much soon/faster than what you believe may be normal, it would make sense to evaluate the conditions your vehicle is exposed to on a daily basis. Sometimes the solution can be as easy as making a few adjustments in relation to where you park, what roads you take to work, how often you wash, what LSP you use (last step product; wax/sealant), etc.

In some instances, there isn't much you can do about your situation. ....or (for example) you feel the need to address light contamination frequently rather than waiting until it builds up. In those cases, there are clays available intended for more frequent use that are less abrasive and more forgiving on LSP's. Companies like Sonus make such products.
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Old 04-06-2012, 11:42 AM   #8
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I clay barred my entire hood for the first time and there are clear looking spots! I can't seem to get rid of them with clay bar or washing the car.

I used the step by step method with the meguiers clay bar kit I think that's what it was called. What could I be doing wrong to have these slots show. I would take pix but I don't think it would show up as I have a OBP.
Im a little confused.... Were these "clear spots" already on the paint prior to claying? I agree with methodically that issues with the clay bar are going to result in marring and/or residue in patterns mimicking your path of movement with the clay. ....and they won't be "clear" (more like "hazy" unless your talking about the unaffected areas). In either case, I think more clarification is needed. It almost sounded to me (at first) that you were talking about water spots that are not being removed by the clay.
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Old 04-06-2012, 01:32 PM   #9
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My best guess is water spots due to improper lubrication or the clay bar or drying procedure. Time to bust out the polish and the DA.
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My best guess is water spots due to improper lubrication or the clay bar or drying procedure. Time to bust out the polish and the DA.
Improper lubrication and clay bars do not cause water spots. Hard water left to dry on the surface leaving mineral deposits behind does.

And I doubt he will need a DA for this if it is what I think it is. But I do agree with Kean...perhaps I jumped the gun in my assessment.
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Old 04-06-2012, 05:17 PM   #11
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....just to clarify, my mention of water spots/stains was in relation to a possible preexisting problem the OP was describing.
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Improper lubrication and clay bars do not cause water spots. Hard water left to dry on the surface leaving mineral deposits behind does.

Improper lubrication could be water mixed with some sort of lubricant such as soap. Soapy water left to dry on paint = water spots.

BTW, water does not have to be hard (high level of minerals) to leave spots, it just needs to be impure. Most tap water will leave water spots if not filtered or the car is not properly dried. Rain water can also leave water spots if it falls through polluted air.
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Old 04-06-2012, 05:30 PM   #13
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Rain water can also leave water spots if it falls through polluted air.
....or lands on a dirty surface.
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Old 04-06-2012, 08:53 PM   #14
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I clay barred my entire hood for the first time and there are clear looking spots! I can't seem to get rid of them with clay bar or washing the car.

I used the step by step method with the meguiers clay bar kit I think that's what it was called. What could I be doing wrong to have these slots show. I would take pix but I don't think it would show up as I have a OBP.
I don't see where he used a soapy water solution as the megs kit includes QD. Also, I seriously doubt he left the QD lubricant on the car to dry. Of course, my assumption could be inaccurate.

Although, I understand what your saying and completely agree. However, us starting a generalized conversation on the causes of water spots does nothing to help to Op correct his problem.

I see where you are coming from with the water spot pov Kean. But in all reality, we don't really know where to start with this until we get more concrete input from the Op. With that said, I am in no way opposing your thoughts on this.

Amnizu, this is probably my fault, as rereading my post it is definately a generalized statement. But from what I read in his original post I don't see any evidence of water spotting. Like I said above, I definately jumped the gun in my assessment and will keep my mouth until further information is given.

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Old 04-06-2012, 09:52 PM   #15
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I see where you are coming from with the water spot pov Kean. But in all reality, we don't really know where to start with this until we get more concrete input from the Op. With that said, I am in no way opposing your thoughts on this.
.....yeah, just taking a stab since I was confused by his post as well like I mentioned. I frankly don't know what he means by "clear spots". ....clear areas of the paint, actual "spotting" or...????
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Wow.. I am surprised with all the responses that I got from everyone, but it seems like I have been misusing the clay bar methods. AND I'm assuming its marring and yes it is more of "hazy" spots. So would I be able to remove this if I polish after clay barring?

I also, used the bottle that came with the clay bar kit. I think it was called Quick Wax.
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I think a car should be clay bared no more than 3 times a year, i personally think it becomes unnecessary.

Now that thats out of the way, did you use the lubricant or water? Some are used with water and some are used with a particular spray.
I clay barred my car for the first time since I got the vehicle.. I have never waxed my car since I bought it. LoL. Just got into the detailing scene.
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this is what my claybar looked like after i did my 2 month old car..

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That's pretty nasty... LMAO
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If water spots were left on your vehicle for long periods of time, it can etch into your paint making it appear you still have spots. In reality, the paint is now damaged and can only be removed by polishing.
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ahhh... all this water spot talk gives me nightmares... to give you an idea of how hard the water is here... Yesterday I washed my car (which is opticoated) and then used a waffle weave drying towel (cobra I believe) in one hand and then my electric leaf blower in the other going right behind it to dry anything left immediately. Wiping some areas of the car dry, you can see those very light water spots that can only be seen when the area is barely wet if you know what I mean. Once totally dry you can't see them, but I know they're there ... creeping in lol. I am waiting on my plumber to get some time to come by and do a water test and get a whole house water softening system set-up. That kind of water isn't good for people, dogs or anything... it leaves spots on dishes and both showers are covered in them.
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....have you ever taken a reading of your water with a TDS meter? The last time I checked my tap it was over 500PPM (which is quite bad). I can reduce that # by about ~100PPM with my pre-filters and its down to "0" by the time it passes through my DI resin. Without my CRSpotless filters, I have a heck of a time with spotting. ....and I wash indoors.
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I wonder what CLR would do to the clearcoat...would it dissolve the deposits without causing more damage?... and no, I'm not going to be the guinea pig.
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....have you ever taken a reading of your water with a TDS meter? The last time I checked my tap it was over 500PPM (which is quite bad). I can reduce that # by about ~100PPM with my pre-filters and its down to "0" by the time it passes through my DI resin. Without my CRSpotless filters, I have a heck of a time with spotting. ....and I wash indoors.
no, never did take a reading, just waiting on the plumber to come and do the water test. I am thinking about a full house water softener.
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