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Old 05-14-2014, 07:34 PM   #1
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Default Help me decide which speakers please

I'm looking to replace the front speakers in my 05 STI with a new set of components and I'm torn between 3 different models. I listen to all different types of music and will be using my JBL MS8 and powering them with a Rockford Fosgate PBR 300x4. So without delay here our the models I'm looking at.

Focal PS165
Hertz Audio HSK 165
Rockford Fosgate T165S

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Old 05-15-2014, 09:43 AM   #2
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You already have them in order. Focal ---> Hertz ---> RF
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Old 05-15-2014, 09:51 AM   #3
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I havent listened to the Focals but I have the Hertz HSK 165XLs and you cant go wrong. Not sure the price difference between the XLs and non-XLs though.

I know the XLs arent on your list but my experience with Hertz is more than satisfactory.
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Old 05-15-2014, 10:11 AM   #4
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I have not heard the Hertz speakers you have listed, but I like Focal over Rockford Fosgate.
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Old 05-15-2014, 11:02 AM   #5
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While I have not had PS165s, I have had a pair of old Polyglass 165 v2. Can speak from experience with 2 as I had both the RF power T1 and Hertz HSK165s in my STI. The Polyglass was in the previous car.

Thoughts on each -
Focal: After hearing a friends car, I decided I wanted a set. They sounded incredible at all listening levels. They do tend to be a bit "bright" and I like to listen to my music loud so I had to attenuate the tweeter. At -6, it felt too much of a cut on highs so I kept it at -3. Even at -3db, it can be a bit overwhelming and fatigue the ears.

RF T165: The first set of speakers I threw in the STI, this coming only 5 days after owning the car. After the Polyglass no way was I going to be able to live with the OEM garbage Subaru throw in! The power T1 series is better than their punch stuff and light years beyond the RF "Prime" garbage. Still, the T2 is a lot better than T1. The T1s got plenty loud and never distorted or sounded muddy... But they never "wowed" me. At low volume/general listening volume they were a bit unimpressive and lacked low end response. I replaced them after 4-5 months.

Hertz HSK: Wowed me from day one - exactly what I was looking for. Sounded great at all volume levels, good low end/midbass response and clear highs. Rocked my socks at high volume and never fatigued the ears. The XLs are basically bigger, beefier versions of the HSK165s; meaning more low end and high end response. They do sound great but IMHO, its not worth the extra markup most authorized dealers charge. (Something like 50%, or ~$150 more for XL.)

Cliffs -
Focal: Nice, bright if you like highs
RF: Loud, underwhelming
Hertz: Great balance

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Old 05-15-2014, 12:26 PM   #6
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Since the amp is only going to be 75 ish watts a ch I think the regular Hertz 165 are the way to go. If I had the money for a better amp I'd prolly get the XL.
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Old 05-15-2014, 06:56 PM   #7
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Since the amp is only going to be 75 ish watts a ch I think the regular Hertz 165 are the way to go. If I had the money for a better amp I'd prolly get the XL.
Didnt notice to RMS on your amp. 75 is more than enough for the tweeters but the mids can handle A LOT more. You may want to reconsider your amp or at least run an active setup?
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Old 05-15-2014, 11:17 PM   #8
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Since the amp is only going to be 75 ish watts a ch I think the regular Hertz 165 are the way to go. If I had the money for a better amp I'd prolly get the XL.
You should be happy with the set. The HSK's were my first taste of Hertz. Eventually I decided to swap out all of my gear for a 100% Hertz system - EP4X, EP1D, HSK165, HCX165.

I've replaced a few things since then but the system is still mostly Hertz.
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Old 05-16-2014, 08:26 AM   #9
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Since the amp is only going to be 75 ish watts a ch I think the regular Hertz 165 are the way to go. If I had the money for a better amp I'd prolly get the XL.
75Watts is more than enough for the focals. I have owned Focal home speakers for many year. When the time came to replace the car stereo, the decision was easy. I am older and I was looking for a more detail in the sound and not much in the way of bass. The Focals are incredibly detailed, nice controlled bass. You can't go wrong with them.

My Setup
Front: K2-165KR
Rear: Focal P165V15 at the rear.
Amp:Kenwood Excelon XR-5S amp
HU: Sony XAV-601BT (Looking at replacing it, sounds good but terrible interface and full of bugs)
SUB: JLAudio 8" (forget the model but set at 3 out of 10)

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Old 05-16-2014, 09:45 AM   #10
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I'm so torn on which to go with the last post is really pushing me towards the Focal's. I'll have plenty of bass from a sub.
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Old 05-17-2014, 11:20 AM   #11
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I have had Hertz and Focal and have found that within the same cost range I prefer Focal, but everyone's ears are different.
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