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Old 08-31-2012, 09:56 AM   #101
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I haven't swapped my head unit yet, but from my research, you need to remove the big piece of brushed metal trim around the radio first in order to gain access to the HU itself. I believe that since you have the NAV HU, you won't need to disconnect the HVAC mechanical cables like I will when replacing my Sport Premium HU.

Also, I'm not fond of using a metal screwdriver to accomplish this task. I suggest something made of plastic like this:

http://www.harborfreight.com/5-piece...set-67021.html
Yeah I have some of those. I also have automatic climate control, so hopefully there's nothing special about that! I am hoping to attempt all this today...so long as the mail lady brings my camera!
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Old 08-31-2012, 09:57 AM   #102
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You can buy special tools, but a flat tipped screwdriver with a piece of electric tape is what I've used for 17 years with success
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Old 08-31-2012, 03:02 PM   #103
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Here's my write up on camera install on the limited hatchback.
The installation was partly done by an installer, so I don't have all the steps. I'll show what I can and make best guess of the missingap steps.

The camera that I got was from ebay. It's easy to find the same one by searching for "E366 camera". Buy from a reputable US seller so that if something goes wrong with the camera you can get have it exchanged easier.
This camera may have issues with water proofing, so I covered all the seams, around the mounting post, around the gap between wire and post with shoe goo for water proofing. Clear silicon probably works better, but that's just what I had that can water proof.


Let's start the install from the HU. It's a good idea to test the camera to make sure the camera works with the HU before spending all the time mounting and routing wires.

To get access to the HU, use a smooth butter knife to pry the cover off. Start at the top left corner. Use your nail to get create a slight gap by pulling the cover towards you. Insert the butter knife in the top left corner. Use gentle rocking/prying action to create more gap. You only need about 1/4 inch gap to get the cover loose. Work your way across the top. Once the top is free, nudge along the sides, then the bottom to get the whole cover loose. The cover is attached by hazard light, and the wire harness for the A/C.
Squeeze on the center top tab on the harness to detached it from the cover. Lift the cover and push it out of the way.

Take out the 4 screws holding HU, pull out the HU. You don't need to disconnect any of the wires.
Hook up the adaptor harness from SVXDC to get the RCA video jack.
Unscrew one of the screws on the HU chasis and then attache the ground wire from the adaptor harness to the the chasis.
Hook up the RCA cable from the camera to the jack.
Hook up your camera and do a test with ignition on and shifter in reverse. You should be able to display image from your camera on the HU display.
Put the HU back.
Did you see my post on how to remove the HU?
Don't pry around the HU. Pry around the top of the cover that near the top of the vent(see the orange arrow in the picture).
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Old 08-31-2012, 04:24 PM   #104
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Did you see my post on how to remove the HU?
Don't pry around the HU. Pry around the top of the cover that near the top of the vent(see the orange arrow in the picture).
I did not, but do now! Thanks for that, now I have an idea of what to do and look for. I got the same camera and it came today...install begins tomorrow. I'm a little different though having the NAV HU, according to SVXDC, I need to find a power source for the camera that has power in accessory mode on the ignition switch, so reverse lights will not work for me.
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Old 08-31-2012, 08:17 PM   #105
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I did not, but do now! Thanks for that, now I have an idea of what to do and look for. I got the same camera and it came today...install begins tomorrow. I'm a little different though having the NAV HU, according to SVXDC, I need to find a power source for the camera that has power in accessory mode on the ignition switch, so reverse lights will not work for me.
I'm not sure why the NAV HU would behave any different...
Seems like as long as camera can generate video signal when you are in reverse, that should be good enough already. Why would you need accessory mode power for the camera all the time.

I would suggest that you try out some hook up options first at the HU to make sure camera image shows up at the HU before any kind of wire routing/camera mounting work.

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Old 08-31-2012, 09:39 PM   #106
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I'm not sure why the NAV HU would behave any different...
Seems like as long as camera can generate video signal when you are in reverse, that should be good enough already. Why would you need accessory mode power for the camera all the time.

I would suggest that you try out some hook up options first at the HU to make sure camera image shows up at the HU before any kind of wire routing/camera mounting work.

Good luck.
This is how he explained it to me...."The FT nav must see video signal from your camera when the HU boots. So you must power your camera from +12V Accessory. I don't know if that is available in the rear of the car."

But of course, even as he, (and you) suggested, I will be testing it before I run all the wires and mount the camera.

Also, maybe you can answer this....I was looking at mine today and I have a small red wire on the camera harness that extends next to the yellow RCA plug...does yours have that and if so, what is it for?
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Old 09-01-2012, 05:02 PM   #107
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This is how he explained it to me...."The FT nav must see video signal from your camera when the HU boots. So you must power your camera from +12V Accessory. I don't know if that is available in the rear of the car."

But of course, even as he, (and you) suggested, I will be testing it before I run all the wires and mount the camera.

Also, maybe you can answer this....I was looking at mine today and I have a small red wire on the camera harness that extends next to the yellow RCA plug...does yours have that and if so, what is it for?
He was definitely right! I powered it from the reverse lights as a test, and if you put it in reverse right after you turn the key (before the HU boots up) then it will work. But if you sit in the car for a second like most people do, then the HU will boot up and not see the 12v needed and the camera will not turn on when put in reverse.

I had a heck of a time finding 12v with accessory on, but then it dawned on me, I have the oem subwoofer installed and sure enough, there was a red and black wire waiting for me to tap into. So, I again tested it with the camera and it worked like a champ. I ran the video wire all the way up and plugged it into the back of the new video cable in the HU, and now, all I get is the parking lines, and the check surroundings warning, but no video. I have tried everything and triple checked all my connections, but I have no idea what happened!

My only guess is the camera itself is bad.
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Old 09-02-2012, 02:35 AM   #108
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This is how he explained it to me...."The FT nav must see video signal from your camera when the HU boots. So you must power your camera from +12V Accessory. I don't know if that is available in the rear of the car."

But of course, even as he, (and you) suggested, I will be testing it before I run all the wires and mount the camera.

Also, maybe you can answer this....I was looking at mine today and I have a small red wire on the camera harness that extends next to the yellow RCA plug...does yours have that and if so, what is it for?
I don't have a small red wire on the harness. my harness splits into 2. One is the RCA video cable, the other is a pair of wires (red/black) for power and ground.

Very sorry to hear that the camera could have died.
If you have a TV that you can hook it up to, you might want to test it to see if the camera has died.
If you read my posts, you'll know that my first camera was bad. I had some "cold boot" problems. I had to exchange it to get it working.
I wouldn't be too surprised if your has died.
I did noticed that the camera does get warm as you use it.
I am concerned that having it power up all the time might have "stressed it" too much and it burnt out.
Since my only turns on for seconds at a time, only when I'm in reverse, I hope it won't burn out too fast.
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Old 09-02-2012, 02:57 AM   #109
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This is how he explained it to me...."The FT nav must see video signal from your camera when the HU boots. So you must power your camera from +12V Accessory. I don't know if that is available in the rear of the car."

But of course, even as he, (and you) suggested, I will be testing it before I run all the wires and mount the camera.

Also, maybe you can answer this....I was looking at mine today and I have a small red wire on the camera harness that extends next to the yellow RCA plug...does yours have that and if so, what is it for?
I had a small red wire on my harness. When I had that installed the camera feed was always on, minus the grid lines for some reason. I left that disconnected and used the reverse light wire to power the camera. Works like a charm.
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I had a small red wire on my harness. When I had that installed the camera feed was always on, minus the grid lines for some reason. I left that disconnected and used the reverse light wire to power the camera. Works like a charm.
Oh ok I gotcha. It worked on mine without the red wire connected so I wondered what it was for. It does say in the instructions that it's set up for multiple types of monitors so that wire must be used on a different setup. At any rate I cannot use the reverse lights since I have the nav hu and I did confirm my camera is toast. The seller assured me he'll take care of it so we'll see
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Old 09-02-2012, 03:11 PM   #111
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[powering camera from reverse lights] ... But if you sit in the car for a second like most people do, then the HU will boot up and not see the 12v needed and the camera will not turn on when put in reverse.
Minor correction: The new navigation HU (made by Fujitsu Ten, used in 2012-up Impreza and Forester, and the similar nav HU used in BRZ and FR-S) is looking for a video signal (picture) from the camera, not 12V.

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I had a heck of a time finding 12v with accessory on, but then it dawned on me, I have the oem subwoofer installed and sure enough, there was a red and black wire waiting for me to tap into.
The subwoofer gets its power from the battery. That wire is "hot" all the time (even when you take out your ignition key). The sub has an internal circuit to activate when it detects sound from the HU (and shut off after a period of silence). But your camera would run all the time.

You really need to find +12V Accessory. Worst case, extend the camera's power wire up to the HU, and tap in there.
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I had a small red wire on my harness. When I had that installed the camera feed was always on, minus the grid lines for some reason.
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It worked on mine without the red wire connected so I wondered what it was for. It does say in the instructions that it's set up for multiple types of monitors so that wire must be used on a different setup.
Are you saying that the grid lines were disabled when you connected that wire to +12V? If so, you want that (for the FT nav).

Some cameras have one or two short loops of wire near the camera. The instructions will explain that they enable/disable some options (by cutting the loop). One controls whether to display or not display parking guide lines. Another determines whether the video image is normal or mirrored. Same cameras don't have one or both of those.

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On this camera, the tiny white wire on the back of the camera's plug defeats the parking guide lines:

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Some cameras may have a different method to adjust those settings. If the instructions or the vendor can't explain how, you might want to buy a different camera.

If you have a choice between using the grid lines built into the camera vs. the grid lines from the HU, it's better to use the HU's, since you can use the setup menus to adjust their position.
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Old 09-02-2012, 04:26 PM   #113
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Minor correction: The new navigation HU (made by Fujitsu Ten, used in 2012-up Impreza and Forester, and the similar nav HU used in BRZ and FR-S) is looking for a video signal (picture) from the camera, not 12V.



The subwoofer gets its power from the battery. That wire is "hot" all the time (even when you take out your ignition key). The sub has an internal circuit to activate when it detects sound from the HU (and shut off after a period of silence). But your camera would run all the time.

You really need to find +12V Accessory. Worst case, extend the camera's power wire up to the HU, and tap in there.

Well now, I'm a little confused....if it's looking for a video signal, and NOT 12V, then it shouldn't matter if I tap into the reverse lights or not, so long as the video cable from the camera is connected to the HU, correct? Not trying to sound argumentative, so I apologize if it comes accross that way, just trying to understand.

Also, I don't believe you're correct on how the sub is powered, at least not 100%. I know for a fact that if I turn the key to accessory, even if the radio is OFF, the green light on the "amp" turns on, and no matter how long music isn't playing, it stays lit. Only when I turn the key off, does that green light go out.
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Are you saying that the grid lines were disabled when you connected that wire to +12V? If so, you want that (for the FT nav).

Some cameras have one or two short loops of wire near the camera. The instructions will explain that they enable/disable some options (by cutting the loop). One controls whether to display or not display parking guide lines. Another determines whether the video image is normal or mirrored. Same cameras don't have one or both of those.

Some cameras may have a different method to adjust those settings. If the instructions or the vendor can't explain how, you might want to buy a different camera.

If you have a choice between using the grid lines built into the camera vs. the grid lines from the HU, it's better to use the HU's, since you can use the setup menus to adjust their position.
No, I'm saying the camera itself worked, and I never hooked up that red wire because I didn't know where to connect it. That's the EXACT camera I have, only mine has a little red pigtail, not white. I'm gonna go visit their website and see how much their camera is....or at least maybe find some more info.
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Well now, I'm a little confused....if it's looking for a video signal, and NOT 12V, then it shouldn't matter if I tap into the reverse lights or not, so long as the video cable from the camera is connected to the HU, correct?
A BRZ owner confirmed this: The FT nav checks for the presence of a camera while the HU boots (in the first several seconds immediately after you turn the ignition key from OFF to the ACC position, including if you immediately crank the engine).

The HU checks for the camera by looking for the video signal The HU only uses two pins on the 16-pin harness for the camera -- for video signal and shield/ground.

A camera will only send a video signal while it has power.

So if you power the camera from the reverse lights, but the reverse lights are off while the HU boots, the HU won't see a video signal, so it will decide that there is no camera plugged in, and disable that feature.

To put it another way, the camera must receive +12V power while the HU boots, so that the camera is already sending its video signal to the HU at the moment when the HU checks.
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A BRZ owner confirmed this: The FT nav checks for the presence of a camera while the HU boots (in the first several seconds immediately after you turn the ignition key from OFF to the ACC position, including if you immediately crank the engine).

The HU checks for the camera by looking for the video signal The HU only uses two pins on the 16-pin harness for the camera -- for video signal and shield/ground.

A camera will only send a video signal while it has power.

So if you power the camera from the reverse lights, but the reverse lights are off while the HU boots, the HU won't see a video signal, so it will decide that there is no camera plugged in, and disable that feature.

To put it another way, the camera must receive +12V power while the HU boots, so that the camera is already sending its video signal to the HU at the moment when the HU checks.
I gotcha! Makes sense now!
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No, I'm saying the camera itself worked, and I never hooked up that red wire because I didn't know where to connect it.
It was 'ST Eye' that I quoted who said he had connected the extra red wire.

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That's the EXACT camera I have, only mine has a little red pigtail, not white. I'm gonna go visit their website and see how much their camera is....or at least maybe find some more info.
The picture I posted is one of Metra's cameras, in their "Third Eye" line. I'm sure other Chinese companies are making cameras that look exactly the same, often with different electronics and wiring.
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I had connected the extra red wire to a 12V source, when I did that, the camera stayed on even when it was in drive. To be honest, I don't remember if it stayed on when it park, but it wasn't acting right, so I disconnected it.

Now that I am thinking of it, perhaps if I ground the wire to the chassis, it will disable the grid lines. Hmm, might have to play with it to see!
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I had connected the extra red wire to a 12V source, when I did that, the camera stayed on even when it was in drive. To be honest, I don't remember if it stayed on when it park, but it wasn't acting right, so I disconnected it.

Now that I am thinking of it, perhaps if I ground the wire to the chassis, it will disable the grid lines. Hmm, might have to play with it to see!
You should ask the vendor what that red wire is for before you mess with it. It could simply be tied to the camera's power wire. That would allow you to either A) power the camera from some 12V source behind the HU (instead of something near the camera), or B) tap into the reverse lights near the camera, and use the red wire to send the reverse signal into your HU (for a car that did not already have a factory wire for the reverse gear signal at the HU).
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Ok,I got the new camera and did a quick test...old one was definitely fried. So, I tested the subwoofer wires I was using for power and SVXdc, you were correct, they receive 12V all the time, even with key off. So, if I hook up here, my camera will constantly be powered, correct? Is it really a big deal? I mean, if I power it to have 12V when the key is on or accessory, it will still be constantly powered when the key is on, even when not in reverse, correct?

Edit: If anybody has any suggestions (aside from running wires all the way to the radio) to find a 12v key on source, I would be willing to entertain that!

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If you are going to run the AV wires to the HU anyway, why not just run the power wires as well?
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If you are going to run the AV wires to the HU anyway, why not just run the power wires as well?
They're not that long, and I didn't want to splice new wires and run 2 additional wires all the way up there. Plus, I don't know which wire to hook it to up there either.
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Ok,I got the new camera and did a quick test...old one was definitely fried.
That's why I urge people to test a camera before they bury the wires, drill holes, cut, glue, etc. So many people have received cameras that were bad or incompatible that you'll want to find out before you've spent hours installing it. The next camera might need different holes.

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So, if I hook up [to the OEM Kicker subwoofer power wire], my camera will constantly be powered, correct? Is it really a big deal? I mean, if I power it to have 12V when the key is on or accessory, it will still be constantly powered when the key is on, even when not in reverse, correct?
That's correct, however we're now talking about the camera being "on" 100% of the time, instead of just when you're in your car. Although most cameras draw very little power, I still don't recommend it. When your battery is older and you leave your car parked for a long period (like leaving town for a week), the camera could drain the battery enough that you need a jump start.

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If anybody has any suggestions (aside from running wires all the way to the radio) to find a 12v key on source, I would be willing to entertain that!

I didn't want to splice new wires and run 2 additional wires all the way up there. Plus, I don't know which wire to hook it to up there either.
You can connect the camera's ground to metal chassis near the camera -- no need to extend that wire.

Wagons may have a 12V accessory outlet near the hatch. If yours doesn't have a wire with that near the back, you might as well buy some extra wire and run that alongside the camera's video cable all the way to the HU. You can tie into the wire for the front 12V accessory outlet, or tap the lead for the HU's +12V Accessory power. Posi-Taps are a great way to do that.
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Posi-Taps are a great way to do that.
Very cool, I've never seen those before! I've used typical vampire clips in a few cases, but usually strip back and tape / solder.
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