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Old 04-10-2012, 12:20 PM   #51
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I went from Deadbolt Super16G running 20PSI to this. No comparison as it makes more power everywhere. The DB was a good turbo, this one is great.
Of course a more aggressive tune @24psi will make more power everywhere! A more fair comparison would be both turbos at similar boost, or both maxed out but I know it's tough to get a perfect comparison. Let us know how the new conservative map feels in regards to the old turbo.
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Old 04-10-2012, 01:40 PM   #52
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I would love to see how this turbo does with a TMIC instead of a front mount and with stock headers instead of 1400 dollar set. I would love to see if it could run 24 PSI with a TMIC and how it spools on normal headers.
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Old 04-10-2012, 02:27 PM   #53
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The late spool is my only concern with this turbo. I'd like to see how it does on a 2.5L. In my opinion it seems like the 68hta still out does this turbo. It spools much sooner, makes similar power, and will likely be about the same price.

Any thoughts on that?
Mine did 330whp with 300tq with a conservative tune in a hot tropical climate on 93 oct. my spark plugs came out pitch black...
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Old 04-10-2012, 02:40 PM   #54
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Did you install the headers with this turbo or where they already on the car with the last setup?
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Old 04-10-2012, 05:04 PM   #55
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.... although I think they are mostly due to the super awesome header
Of course you'd say that!

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I'll be waiting on a ride at the next meet! Hearing you talk about it was 1 thing but now I wanna ride...
My pleasure, I hope to be there this Saturday depending on how school is going.

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Wonder if unabomber put those headers on with the Turbo swap. Could affect spool???
They were put on with the swap. I can't say if they helped or hurt with the spool as I put them on because when nuclear war happens, there will be cockroaches and my Killer B header left over. Those things are built like a whore....poor word choice, but I hope you get the idea.

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What I really want to know is if this turbo falls on its face after 5000-5500 rpm like the vf39?
It pulls all the way out to redline.

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Ron, I don't know if you noticed, but your IAM (dynamic advance multiplier for AP) dropped from 16 from the dyno log, to 13 when you did the log posted in post#9 and there's some fine learning knock during spool up. Might wanna investigate/have your tuner take a look..... (*not being a di(k, just pointing it out)
Understand and thank you. The 24 PSI map is extreme. I'm not the usual PPB poster that says they have a conservative 38 PSI map. That's NOT what my map is. I do plan on running the 20 PSI version mostly. Maybe starting next week.

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Let us know how the new conservative map feels in regards to the old turbo.
I did a 20 PSI log (below) and can't really say how it feels. I was testing basically in a swamp as I do try to test where only I'll be killed due to driving like an asshat to do log pulls. My eyes were on the road and tach and it didn't seem much different than the 24 PSI pull, but I wasn't paying much attention to be honest.

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Did you install the headers with this turbo or where they already on the car with the last setup?
Headers were installed with the turbo.

Here are maps from 20 minutes ago. Swapped to realtime 20, then to realtime 24 with no ECU resets.

20 PSI map:

Code:
Time	A/F Correction 1 (%)	A/F Learning 1 A (%)	A/F Learning 1 (%)	A/F Sens 1 Ratio (AFR)	Boost (PSI)	Calculated Load (g/rev)	Dyn. Adv. Mult (DAM)	Dynamic Adv. ()	Feedback Knock ()	Fine Knock Learn ()	Ignition Timing ()	Inj. Duty Cycle (%)	MAF Volt. (V)	MAF (g/s)	RPM (RPM)	Throttle Pos. (%)
0	0	1.46	0.78	22.28	-11.72	0.07	13	0	0	0	11.5	0	1.12	2.11	1818	0
0.24	0	1.46	0.78	22.05	-11.78	0.07	13	0	0	0	11.5	0	1.1	2.06	1797	0
0.5	0	1.46	0.78	22.16	-11.78	0.07	13	0	0	0	11.5	0	1.1	2.08	1800	0
0.74	0	1.46	0.78	22.16	-11.81	0.07	13	0	0	0	11.5	0	1.1	2.05	1757	0
0.98	0	1.46	0.78	22.16	-11.85	0.07	13	0	0	0	11.5	0	1.1	2.03	1753	0
1.22	0	1.46	0.78	21.94	-10.65	0.09	13	0	0	0	9	2.24	1.44	3.59	1749	10.2
1.46	0	1.46	0	21.82	-0.5	0.69	13	0	0	0	16.5	8.4	2.24	27.62	1852	42.35
1.7	-11.72	1.46	-2.34	11.37	0.23	0.83	13	0	0	0	26	7.87	2.26	26	1845	100
1.94	-11.72	1.46	-3.12	12.75	0.6	0.86	13	0	0	0	24	8.35	2.26	26.57	1815	100
2.18	-8.59	1.46	-4.69	13.78	0.95	0.86	13	0	0	0	26	8.61	2.28	27.32	1916	100
2.42	0	1.46	-6.25	13.09	1.24	0.85	13	0	0	0	27.5	10.46	2.32	28.19	1961	100
2.66	0	1.46	-7.03	11.94	1.49	0.85	13	0	0	0	28.5	10.53	2.3	29.08	2017	100
2.9	0	1.46	-7.81	11.83	1.68	0.85	13	0	0	0	28.5	10.67	2.36	29.74	2083	100
3.12	0	1.46	-8.59	11.83	1.84	0.86	13	0	0	0	28	11.13	2.34	31.08	2173	100
3.38	0	1.46	-9.38	11.94	2.01	0.86	13	0	0	0	28	11.54	2.4	32.22	2183	100
3.62	0	1.46	-10.16	11.94	2.15	0.87	13	0	0	0	28	11.73	2.4	33.19	2276	100
3.86	0	1.46	-10.94	12.17	2.26	0.88	13	0	0	0	28	11.99	2.46	34.7	2342	100
4.1	0	1.46	-11.72	12.52	2.42	0.89	13	0	0	0	28	12.39	2.48	36.32	2409	100
4.34	0	1.46	-11.72	12.4	2.55	0.88	13	0	0	0	28.5	12.77	2.52	36.91	2492	100
4.58	0	1.46	-12.5	12.75	2.71	0.89	13	0	0	0	28.5	13.19	2.54	37.96	2575	100
4.82	0	1.46	-14.84	12.86	2.9	0.89	13	0	0	0	29	12.94	2.58	39.02	2607	100
5.06	0	1.46	-14.84	13.32	3.13	0.9	13	1.5	0	0.7	30.5	13.29	2.64	40.89	2708	100
5.3	0	1.46	-14.84	13.67	3.46	0.92	13	2	0	0.7	30	14.26	2.7	43.05	2784	100
5.54	0	1.46	-14.84	13.55	3.83	0.96	13	3	0	0.7	29.5	15.24	2.76	46.62	2837	100
5.78	0	1.46	-14.84	13.78	4.25	1.01	13	4	0	0.7	28.5	16.15	2.8	50.47	2912	100
6.02	0	1.46	-12.5	13.44	4.78	1.04	13	3.5	0	0.7	26	17.24	2.82	52.73	2992	100
6.26	0	1.46	-11.72	12.98	5.32	1.06	13	3.5	0	0.7	25	18.5	2.82	54.32	3066	100
6.5	0	1.46	-10.16	12.4	5.76	1.05	13	3.5	0	0.7	25	18.93	2.9	56.24	3169	100
6.72	0	1.46	-8.59	12.29	6.21	1.07	13	3.5	0	0.7	24.5	20.18	2.92	57.84	3262	100
7	0	1.46	-7.81	12.29	6.71	1.09	13	3.5	0	0.7	23.5	21.38	2.92	60.92	3340	100
7.24	0	1.46	-7.03	12.17	7.19	1.11	13	2	0	-0.35	22.5	22.03	2.98	64.19	3437	100
7.48	0	1.46	-6.25	12.06	7.91	1.14	13	2	0	-0.35	22	24.34	3.14	68.67	3542	100
7.72	0	1.46	-5.47	12.29	8.93	1.21	13	2	0	-0.35	21	25.47	3.18	74.32	3617	100
7.96	0	1.46	-4.69	12.4	10.19	1.29	13	2	0	-0.35	19	28.81	3.32	81.95	3703	100
8.2	0	1.46	-3.91	11.83	11.68	1.38	13	3	0	0.35	19	32.92	3.42	89.85	3842	100
8.44	0	1.46	-3.12	11.71	13.32	1.54	13	2.5	0	0	12	39.58	3.48	104.21	3947	100
8.68	0	1.46	-3.12	11.6	15.7	1.82	13	2.5	0	0	8	49.86	3.66	128.86	4030	100
8.92	0	1.46	-2.34	11.6	18.64	2.11	13	2.5	0	0	7	58.63	3.8	151.35	4164	100
9.16	0	1.46	0	11.6	21.23	2.19	13	2.5	0	0	7	66.2	3.94	159.93	4310	100
9.4	0	1.46	0	11.6	21.23	2.1	13	2.5	0	0	7	63.96	3.88	155.3	4429	100
9.64	0	1.46	0	11.6	19.45	1.97	13	2.5	0	0	8	61.27	3.82	150.03	4632	100
9.88	0	1.46	0	11.6	18.23	1.93	13	2.5	0	0	8	62.74	3.88	152.67	4728	100
10.12	0	1.46	0	11.6	18.58	1.95	13	2.5	0	0	8.5	65.37	3.96	159.92	4829	100
10.36	0	1.46	0	11.6	19.57	2.01	13	2.5	0	0	9	68.82	4.02	170.87	4963	100
10.6	0	1.46	0	11.6	20.25	2.03	13	2.5	0	0	9	72.03	4.08	173.28	5105	100
10.84	0	1.46	0	11.48	20.36	2.05	13	2.5	0	0	9.5	75.07	4.1	180.23	5251	100
11.08	0	1.46	0	11.48	20.23	2.05	13	2.5	0	0	9.5	77.12	4.14	183.71	5337	100
11.32	0	1.46	0	11.48	19.99	2.05	13	2.5	0	0	9.5	80.41	4.16	188.34	5454	100
11.56	0	1.46	0	11.48	20.07	2.08	13	2.5	0	0	9.5	81.86	4.2	194.06	5643	100
11.8	0	1.46	0	11.48	20.26	2.08	13	2.5	0	0	9.5	85.38	4.22	199.71	5747	100
12.04	0	1.46	0	11.37	20.21	2.06	13	2.5	0	0	10	85.53	4.24	200.84	5896	100
12.28	0	1.46	0	11.37	20.15	2.04	13	2.5	0	0	10	85.82	4.26	204.24	5947	100
12.52	0	1.46	0	11.37	20.15	2.03	13	2.5	0	0	10.5	87.36	4.28	206.5	6112	100
12.76	0	1.46	0	11.25	20.25	2	13	2.5	0	0	10.5	87.92	4.28	208.01	6244	100
13	0	1.46	0	11.25	20.15	1.99	13	2.5	0	0	12.5	89.11	4.3	211.98	6329	100
13.24	0	1.46	0	11.25	20.3	1.96	13	2.5	0	0	13	89.5	4.3	208.79	6454	100
13.48	0	1.46	0	11.25	20.38	1.93	13	2.5	0	0	13	88.81	4.3	210.77	6504	100
24 PSI map:

Code:
Time	A/F Correction 1 (%)	A/F Learning 1 A (%)	A/F Learning 1 (%)	A/F Sens 1 Ratio (AFR)	Boost (PSI)	Calculated Load (g/rev)	Dyn. Adv. Mult (DAM)	Dynamic Adv. ()	Feedback Knock ()	Fine Knock Learn ()	Ignition Timing ()	Inj. Duty Cycle (%)	MAF Volt. (V)	MAF (g/s)	RPM (RPM)	Throttle Pos. (%)
0	0	0.68	-2.34	22.51	-11.7	0.07	13	0	0	0	11.5	0	1.12	2.15	1812	0
0.24	0	0.68	-2.34	22.51	-11.74	0.07	13	0	0	0	11.5	0	1.12	2.11	1806	0
0.48	0	0.68	-1.56	22.28	-11.72	0.07	13	0	0	0	11.5	0	1.12	2.19	1779	0
0.72	0	0.68	0	22.51	-11.25	0.09	13	0	0	0	14.5	2.24	1.3	3.38	1755	7.45
0.94	0	0.68	-0.78	22.16	-1.39	0.65	13	0	0	0	19	7.99	2.26	26.89	1886	25.88
1.2	-16.41	0.68	-2.34	12.63	0.21	0.82	13	-2.5	-2.11	0	21	7.5	2.2	26.4	1758	85.1
1.44	-17.97	0.68	-3.91	12.52	0.6	0.87	13	-2.5	-2.11	0	22	7.3	2.22	26.55	1800	100
1.68	-17.97	0.68	-5.47	12.75	0.93	0.87	13	-2.5	-2.11	0	23.5	7.7	2.3	27.8	1911	100
1.92	0	0.68	-6.25	15.73	1.24	0.86	13	-2.5	-2.11	0	23.5	10.29	2.26	27.76	1929	100
2.16	0	0.68	-7.03	12.06	1.47	0.86	13	0	0	0	27.5	10.21	2.34	28.65	1995	100
2.4	0	0.68	-8.59	11.83	1.68	0.86	13	0	0	0	28	10.54	2.3	29.41	2062	100
2.64	0	0.68	-9.38	11.94	1.84	0.86	13	0	0	0	28	10.84	2.36	30.3	2117	100
2.88	0	0.68	-10.16	11.94	1.97	0.87	13	0	0	0	27.5	11.05	2.38	31.42	2172	100
3.12	0	0.68	-10.94	11.94	2.09	0.87	13	0	0	0	27.5	11.4	2.4	32.22	2224	100
3.36	0	0.68	-11.72	12.17	2.2	0.87	13	0	0	0	27.5	11.71	2.42	33.59	2287	100
3.6	0	0.68	-11.72	12.06	2.3	0.88	13	0	0	0	27.5	11.98	2.46	34.62	2339	100
3.84	0	0.68	-12.5	12.52	2.44	0.89	13	0.5	0	0	28	12.4	2.5	36.06	2387	100
4.08	0	0.68	-12.5	12.17	2.55	0.89	13	0	0	0	28.5	12.65	2.52	36.66	2471	100
4.32	0	0.68	-14.84	12.63	2.67	0.89	13	0	0	0	28.5	12.45	2.54	37.61	2527	100
4.56	0	0.68	-14.84	13.21	2.82	0.89	13	0.5	0	0	29.5	12.82	2.56	38.84	2578	100
4.8	0	0.68	-14.84	13.21	3.02	0.9	13	0.5	0	0	29	13.08	2.58	40.17	2666	100
5.04	0	0.68	-14.84	13.44	3.27	0.92	13	2	0	0.7	30.5	13.94	2.68	41.89	2723	100
5.28	0	0.68	-14.84	13.9	3.58	0.94	13	2.5	0	0.7	29.5	15.09	2.68	45.49	2780	100
5.52	0	0.68	-14.84	13.21	3.98	0.99	13	3.5	0	0.7	28.5	15.3	2.78	49.44	2869	100
5.76	0	0.68	-14.06	13.44	4.47	1.03	13	4	0	0.7	26.5	16.4	2.78	51.21	2957	100
6.02	0	0.68	-13.28	13.09	5.05	1.06	13	3.5	0	0.7	25	17.48	2.8	53.67	3000	100
6.26	0	0.68	-10.94	12.75	5.55	1.06	13	3.5	0	0.7	24.5	18.53	2.86	55.62	3109	100
6.5	0	0.68	-9.38	12.52	6.01	1.07	13	3.5	0	0.7	24	18.95	2.86	56.89	3172	100
6.74	0	0.68	-8.59	12.17	6.38	1.08	13	3.5	0	0.7	23.5	20.17	2.9	58.85	3252	100
6.98	0	0.68	-7.81	12.06	6.86	1.11	13	3.5	0	0.7	23	21.57	2.94	61.84	3331	100
7.22	0	0.68	-6.25	12.06	7.31	1.12	13	2	0	-0.35	22	22.6	3.04	64.69	3416	100
7.46	0	0.68	-6.25	12.06	7.97	1.15	13	2	0	-0.35	21.5	23.22	3.1	67.81	3496	100
7.7	0	0.68	-5.47	12.17	8.89	1.21	13	2	0	-0.35	21	26.35	3.2	74.71	3614	100
7.92	0	0.68	-4.69	11.94	10.09	1.29	13	2	0	-0.35	19	27.73	3.26	79.8	3714	100
8.2	0	0.68	-3.91	11.94	11.7	1.38	13	3	0	0.35	18.5	31.71	3.38	88.21	3810	100
8.44	0	0.68	-3.12	11.48	13.34	1.56	13	2.5	0	0	11.5	39.31	3.52	107.21	3898	100
8.68	0	0.68	-3.12	11.25	15.66	1.82	13	2.5	0	0	8	50.32	3.7	128.86	4014	100
8.92	0	0.68	-2.34	11.25	18.8	2.12	13	2.5	0	0	7	58.31	3.84	151.52	4141	100
9.18	0	0.68	0	11.25	22.04	2.28	13	2.5	0	0	7	68.53	4	165.24	4283	100
9.42	0	0.68	0	11.25	23.86	2.39	13	2.5	0	0	7	74.24	4.08	176.37	4401	100
9.66	0	0.68	0	11.25	23.8	2.27	13	2.5	0	0	7	72.59	4.06	175.59	4598	100
9.9	0	0.68	0	11.25	23.55	2.25	13	2.5	0	0	8	73.6	4.08	178.68	4725	100
10.14	0	0.68	0	11.25	23.46	2.25	13	2.5	0	0	8	75.1	4.1	180.23	4889	100
10.38	0	0.68	0	11.25	23.53	2.25	13	2.5	0	0	8	78.75	4.18	189.11	5006	100
10.62	0	0.68	0	11.25	23.63	2.27	13	2.5	0	0	8.5	81.76	4.22	197.07	5133	100
10.84	0	0.68	0	11.25	23.57	2.28	13	2.5	0	0	8.5	84.03	4.22	199.71	5322	100
11.12	0	0.68	0	11.25	23.46	2.31	13	2.5	0	0	9	88.24	4.28	208.41	5442	100
11.36	0	0.68	0	11.25	23.44	2.33	13	2.5	0	0	9	91.53	4.34	217.62	5571	100
11.62	0	0.68	0	11.25	23.47	2.34	13	2.5	0	0	9.5	94.19	4.36	222.45	5685	100
11.86	0	0.68	0	11.25	23.59	2.31	13	2.5	0	0	9.5	96.1	4.4	227.28	5850	100
12.1	0	0.68	0	11.25	23.71	2.28	13	2.5	0	0	9.5	96.73	4.4	229.77	5966	100
12.34	0	0.68	0	11.25	23.76	2.26	13	2.5	0	0	9.5	97.88	4.42	230.61	6117	100
12.58	0	0.68	0	11.25	23.84	2.25	13	2.5	0	0	11.5	99.83	4.42	231.45	6239	100
12.84	0	0.68	0	11.25	23.86	2.21	13	2.5	0	0	11.5	98.99	4.44	235.24	6270	100
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Can we assume that at 20 PSI it probably around 280 300HP?
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Can we assume that at 20 PSI it probably around 280 300HP?
Using Virtual Dyno (dynojet version), I get 300 for 24 map and 290 for 20 map. Spool actually improves slightly on the 20 map. Not sure how good VD actually is, but that's what I see.
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Of course a more aggressive tune @24psi will make more power everywhere! A more fair comparison would be both turbos at similar boost, or both maxed out but I know it's tough to get a perfect comparison. Let us know how the new conservative map feels in regards to the old turbo.
Agreed!!

Im sure transition boost is better but for me I dont think it would be worth the extra money for this BB unit.

FYI: back in the day I had a PE1818 tuned at turbo xs @ 22psi and made 330whp with about the same spool as OP
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so Ron, did you ever have a VF39? From what you are saying, this is better since you liked it better than the SuperZilla 16?

I am curious to know your thoughts.

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Facility: TurboXS, tuning by Jermaine
Type of Dyno: Dynapak
Baseline # for a stocker at the dyno: stock 02-05 WRX is ~170 HP/~170 TQ
Boost: 24 PSI
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It is a prototype Blouch 16G XTR. It has a billet 16G wheel, Blouch housings, and a Garrett ball bearing center cartridge. It is not available yet and is still in testing and final development. If you jam the lines and email Blouch about it, it might speed up the process or honk them off, one of the two! Wheel size is 37 lb/min.

Mine came ported, not sure if the full retail will or if it is extra.

Read deal Garrett center.

BPT 8 is cast and I'm 98.5% sure this means it is an 8cm hotside.

Driving impression is that I am now a huge fan of a ball bearing center cartridge. Throttle response is lightning. Just taking the tension out of the gas pedal generates 5 PSI. If a responsive turbo is your forte, this one is for you. While the graph makes it seem a touch on the laggy side, this is far from the truth as on the road my car is now a holy terror. 0-60 is crazy and 60-100 is down right nuts. My previous turbo was a Deadbolt Super16G which was no slouch putting out 290HP on a Dynojet. The new turbo kills it everywhere, especially down low. Jermaine also made me a more conservative 20 PSI map (as yet not used) considering my car is getting up there in the miles at 150,000.

When Jermaine was tuning he remarked normal 16Gs make 280HP on his Dynapak. This one is +50HP over that. When I reminded him that this WAS a 16G, he got all bugeyed and made me laugh. After road tuning when we were done, he flipped me the keys and smiled like a Cheshire cat and said I'd like it and he was right! It's really awesome when someone like Jermaine is happy with the results. Fuel according to the logs was low 90s for IDCs with a couple values at 96, so this pretty much maxes out 650s on 93 octane.

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How do ya think this would do on my 06 sti over the stock snail I have a stage 2 set up now what supporting mods to run this also?
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Well my opinion is biased as I have not ran this turbo. But from my ignorant point of view this would be a very expensive upgrade for a very small increase in power. It is a 37 lb/min turbo instead of the 35 lb/min turbo you have now. You would get better response since it is ball bearing but not much else. I think for the money there are a lot better options and turbo choices for the money.

Think of it as a better upgrade for a wrx as an alternative to an STI turbo. Not so much of an upgrade for an STI, more of a step sideways
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Also have you upgraded the transmission? 330 to the wheels on a WRX is round where they go pop.
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Well my opinion is biased as I have not ran this turbo. But from my ignorant point of view this would be a very expensive upgrade for a very small increase in power. It is a 37 lb/min turbo instead of the 35 lb/min turbo you have now. You would get better response since it is ball bearing but not much else. I think for the money there are a lot better options and turbo choices for the money.

Think of it as a better upgrade for a wrx as an alternative to an STI turbo. Not so much of an upgrade for an STI, more of a step sideways
Ya I wanna smaller turbo to keep that low end I hate the idea of not having power till 4 grand and want to be in the 350 hp 400 tq range but dont have any experience with the feeling of aftermarket turbos.
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great numbers. i was considering the 18gxt but this looks tempting. anyone in the same boat?
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Ya I wanna smaller turbo to keep that low end I hate the idea of not having power till 4 grand and want to be in the 350 hp 400 tq range but dont have any experience with the feeling of aftermarket turbos.
Your gonna need special fuel for that. No 16g gonna.get those numbers on any regular gas that's insane

It is possible. Draco performance had over 400wtq on stock turbo but they weren't on pump gas either
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Your gonna need special fuel for that. No 16g gonna.get those numbers on any regular gas that's insane

It is possible. Draco performance had over 400wtq on stock turbo but they weren't on pump gas either
Ya I decided not to do e85 to make those numbers i want to get there with out e85 or race gas
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might be nice to run this
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Old 04-15-2012, 07:08 PM   #68
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Seeing as you used to be a TD04 fan and you've now gone with two bigger turbos, what are your thoughts on how everything compares? Obviously, you changed a whole lot more than just the turbos, but I'm still interested in what you think about everything...particularly in the 5-60 MPH range.
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Dangit Ron! I just today got my quote from COBB Surgeline for my build. Which is all around a 16G-XT. And here you are, rubbing in your prototype turbo that I want and can't have.

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So they seem to be adding a 16gxt-r... And this popped up on their site:

http://www.bptstore.com/Subaru-WRXST...ger_p_130.html

Twin scroll 1.5xt-r sounds delicious if you like transient response.

Here's hoping for a 52ish lb/min sized BB in the near future.
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i just want to see how a 10cm one does on a 2.5 and im sold.


wish blouch would make 3 inch anti surge housings for ANY of their turbos too...
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Glad to see you finally made a thread after months of talking about it.
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so Ron, did you ever have a VF39? From what you are saying, this is better since you liked it better than the SuperZilla 16?

I am curious to know your thoughts.
Never had one myself but have ridden in many cars with them. This new Blouch turbo is now my favorite turbo ever. I can freely say this as it has great low end and terrific top end and I was missing the low end grunt for years as the other 16G just didn't have it.

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How do ya think this would do on my 06 sti over the stock snail I have a stage 2 set up now what supporting mods to run this also?
It would be super nucking futs on the low end. Just imagining launching a 2.5L with this turbo makes milk come out of my nose and I haven't had milk in days.

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Also have you upgraded the transmission? 330 to the wheels on a WRX is round where they go pop.
I have a PPG gearbox and one of my best friends is the pinnacle of Subaru trans builders, so I have little fear.

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Seeing as you used to be a TD04 fan and you've now gone with two bigger turbos, what are your thoughts on how everything compares? Obviously, you changed a whole lot more than just the turbos, but I'm still interested in what you think about everything...particularly in the 5-60 MPH range.
I really really loved the old stock turbo as low end was epic. When I went to the first 16G, the top end was really nice, but damn I missed the low end as normal around town not asshat driving was like a Kia. The new turbo brought all that low end love back. Like I think I said before, the graph belies the low end of this turbo by a factor of 2 times Graham's Number and if you aren't a math dork, that's a lot.

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Glad to see you finally made a thread after months of talking about it.
Me three, but I'm a tester really and with testing comes rules, the man, etc. Really loving it though.
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Oh man that's pretty... Good on ya, bud!
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I'm ready. 2.1 stroker DD. made 288 on a regular 16G
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