Blouch 16G XTR.....yes.....16G XTR - Page 5

paulpat · 08-06-2012, 09:00 PM

Can I bring up the question again of why the peak boost is so late? approx 4.4k?

I am looking for a new turbo and I think I might get this if it spools quick. I want insta-spool but I think my td04 is going out so I dont know if I should get a replacement or this...

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ppayer38 · 08-06-2012, 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by paulpat

Can I bring up the question again of why the peak boost is so late? approx 4.4k?

I am looking for a new turbo and I think I might get this if it spools quick. I want insta-spool but I think my td04 is going out so I dont know if I should get a replacement or this...

Your putting to much on when it reachable full boost... Check out the time it takes to get to 4400rpm and how much power he is making from 2k-4500 vs your td04.

And even know this is classifies as s 16g it is not cause the compressor wheel is bigger than the Evo 3 16g(biggest OEM 16g) and idk if this uses the TD05H turbine wheel or not

thisisntjared · 08-07-2012, 08:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by paulpat

Can I bring up the question again of why the peak boost is so late? approx 4.4k?

I am looking for a new turbo and I think I might get this if it spools quick. I want insta-spool but I think my td04 is going out so I dont know if I should get a replacement or this...

2.0 liter with fmic spinning up to 23psi on the largest "16g" i have heard of as evidenced by 0 boost taper toward redline.

ppayer38 · 08-09-2012, 11:46 AM

The only thing that I'm trying to figure out is all the Evo III 16g's including the XT and XTR have the same size compressor wheel minus blade width, blade thickness, and blade length so why are these spooling later with the lighter billet wheel?

I know the XTR has a smaller turbine wheel(barely even when you do the #'s) but a bigger turbine housing which should offset maybe increase spool time a bit as shown by the results....

But it seems to be a pretty huge difference in spool by rpm(not time) and Id like to know why?

Concillian · 08-09-2012, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by ppayer38

The only thing that I'm trying to figure out is all the Evo III 16g's including the XT and XTR have the same size compressor wheel minus blade width, blade thickness, and blade length so why are these spooling later with the lighter billet wheel?

I don't think you can draw the conclusion you're making from one dyno plot.

This:
http://efilogics.com/dyno/index.php?...rgb4=153000255

Demonstrates that there are probably other factors at play here, as the 16G-XT doesn't look to really have much different a boost threshold than a 16G-Evo3. The conclusion I draw is that the billet wheel is not the cause of Unabomber's car spooling later. It may be as simple as cold tubular header spool vs. hot header or cast manifold spool. Tubular headers spool a LOT different 1st pull vs. 2nd pull 20 seconds after the first pull.

ppayer38 · 08-09-2012, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Concillian

I don't think you can draw the conclusion you're making from one dyno plot.

This:
http://efilogics.com/dyno/index.php?...rgb4=153000255

Demonstrates that there are probably other factors at play here, as the 16G-XT doesn't look to really have much different a boost threshold than a 16G-Evo3. The conclusion I draw is that the billet wheel is not the cause of Unabomber's car spooling later. It may be as simple as cold tubular header spool vs. hot header or cast manifold spool. Tubular headers spool a LOT different 1st pull vs. 2nd pull 20 seconds after the first pull.

It cant be cold spool as he did a few pulls for the logs... In theory it should be better all around and I understand they spool different and have to be tuned different to get the quickest spool.

I've looked at kbt nd in the end the Evo III still outspools then all with the same boost taper up top as the XT... The XTR is different cause it has a different turbine wheel

Paulie · 08-09-2012, 08:03 PM

I called Mike at Blouch and talked to him at length about the new 16G XTR. I currently have the 16G XT and wanted to upgrade.

End result is that the XTR WILL spool later than the 16G XT, but transient response (in between shifts for example will be much better).

At the end of our conversation, I decided to keep my 16G XT...

If I ever decided to build a 2.1 liter motor, than maybe I'd go for the XTR...

- Paulie

ppayer38 · 08-09-2012, 10:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paulie

I called Mike at Blouch and talked to him at length about the new 16G XTR. I currently have the 16G XT and wanted to upgrade.

End result is that the XTR WILL spool later than the 16G XT, but transient response (in between shifts for example will be much better).

At the end of our conversation, I decided to keep my 16G XT...

If I ever decided to build a 2.1 liter motor, than maybe I'd go for the XTR...

- Paulie

I agree with this as it had a smaller turbine wheel but a bigger turbine housing with the same compressor wheel and ball bearing center section... The XTR will win in every way.

I just wish some specs would come out of the compressor wheel so we could compare to the hta68 and the OE Evo III...

I do agree though if you have a OE 16g stay with it, the XT and XTR arnt worth the upgrade unless you are buying to replace a blown unit or upgrading to a bigger turbo

Paulie · 08-10-2012, 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by ppayer38

I agree with this as it had a smaller turbine wheel but a bigger turbine housing with the same compressor wheel and ball bearing center section... The XTR will win in every way.

I just wish some specs would come out of the compressor wheel so we could compare to the hta68 and the OE Evo III...

I do agree though if you have a OE 16g stay with it, the XT and XTR arnt worth the upgrade unless you are buying to replace a blown unit or upgrading to a bigger turbo

As I mentioned, per Mike at Blouch, the XTR will spool later than the XT, so it will not win in every way...

awhwhite · 08-11-2012, 01:06 PM

so what is the difference between the .5 dominator and this one beside $300?

mcmikecruz · 08-11-2012, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by awhwhite

so what is the difference between the .5 dominator and this one beside $300?

+1 . .

WOTisfreedom · 08-15-2012, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by mcmikecruz

+1 . .

I agree !

Wookie768 · 10-03-2012, 03:14 AM

any word about this getting released soon?

07imprezRS · 10-03-2012, 06:29 AM

The turbo? It is for sale and has been for a while... Along with 18gxtr, and 20gxtr

Wookie768 · 10-03-2012, 06:54 AM

o0o, didnt know, i had been looking on importimage racing for it, have not seen it on there

sevier2 · 01-12-2013, 05:18 PM

I'm curious how this Turbo would do with a TMIC. I always heard the 16g's have been too small for a FMIC which only made lag worse. Would spool be better with a TMIC? Or is this thing efficient enough you wanna go Front Mount?

424wrx · 01-12-2013, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by sevier2

I'm curious how this Turbo would do with a TMIC. I always heard the 16g's have been too small for a FMIC which only made lag worse. Would spool be better with a TMIC? Or is this thing efficient enough you wanna go Front Mount?

spool will only be a little affected. there are people with fmic on stock turbos.

sevier2 · 01-12-2013, 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by 424wrx

spool will only be a little affected. there are people with fmic on stock turbos.

Affected how? I ask because I already have an upgraded TMIC and dont want to move to a FMIC if I can still get decent power.

424wrx · 01-13-2013, 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by sevier2

Affected how? I ask because I already have an upgraded TMIC and dont want to move to a FMIC if I can still get decent power.

you will have a little lag. the tubes have to be filled with air. its just physics man.

Slvr2k · 01-29-2013, 11:05 PM

That is some nice numbers and not really to far off from what I've seen on 2.0s with a fmic.
I am currently considering this turbo for my 2.0 or the 18gxt with fmic wondering which would spool faster with the fmic...

overb00st · 01-29-2013, 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by 424wrx

you will have a little lag. the tubes have to be filled with air. its just physics man.

you're referring to the FMIC setup correct? FMIC...more piping, more length for the air to travel...slightly more lag, but most people don't report noticing it much. Also, buying a GS EBCS will help reduce lag.

sburck · 01-30-2013, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by WrXtaCy2003

I dont ever post in PPB but.....I know going rotated is a big step from stock location, but my bros .63 3076 spools as fast/faster than this, and makes more power....is the reason to get a turbo like that mainly because of the task/money involved in going rotated? I'm not hating AT ALL, just curious.

DK

I think you are confusing responsiveness with peak boost rpm. It is on a 2.0 but to be clear I think he is saying that the turbo spools fast when he gives it gas and the motor is already revving in its sweet spot. Don't confuse turbo lag with lack of boost at low rpm's. They are different things.

Dat8687 · 01-31-2013, 06:45 AM

DAMM look at that LAG

T-37 · 02-06-2013, 11:20 AM

I'm very likely going with this turbo on my ej205 (along with PW TMIC, AMR inlet, and TGV deletes).

Would there be any benefit to doing the 3" inlet compressor housing for $50 more? Does it do anything more than complicate installation?

CraftyCraft · 03-15-2013, 12:56 PM

Any word on how to order one of these welded up for a EWG setup? Would they weld one up for me?

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08-06-2012, 09:00 PM	#101
paulpat Scooby Specialist Member#: 237145 Join Date: Feb 2010 Chapter/Region: SCIC Location: 562 Vehicle: 02 WRX 12 FXT	Can I bring up the question again of why the peak boost is so late? approx 4.4k? I am looking for a new turbo and I think I might get this if it spools quick. I want insta-spool but I think my td04 is going out so I dont know if I should get a replacement or this... * Registered users of the site do not see these ads.

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ppayer38 Scooby Specialist Member#: 234407 Join Date: Jan 2010 Chapter/Region: MAIC Location: Smithfield, VA Vehicle: 04 Self-tooned STi	The only thing that I'm trying to figure out is all the Evo III 16g's including the XT and XTR have the same size compressor wheel minus blade width, blade thickness, and blade length so why are these spooling later with the lighter billet wheel? I know the XTR has a smaller turbine wheel(barely even when you do the #'s) but a bigger turbine housing which should offset maybe increase spool time a bit as shown by the results.... But it seems to be a pretty huge difference in spool by rpm(not time) and Id like to know why?

08-09-2012, 08:03 PM	#107
Paulie Top Scoob 001 Member#: 16565 Join Date: Mar 2002 Vehicle: 2002 WRX Aspen White	I called Mike at Blouch and talked to him at length about the new 16G XTR. I currently have the 16G XT and wanted to upgrade. End result is that the XTR WILL spool later than the 16G XT, but transient response (in between shifts for example will be much better). At the end of our conversation, I decided to keep my 16G XT... If I ever decided to build a 2.1 liter motor, than maybe I'd go for the XTR... - Paulie

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sevier2 Scooby Newbie Member#: 295516 Join Date: Sep 2011 Chapter/Region: SCIC Location: San Diego area Vehicle: 2004 WRX Silver	I'm curious how this Turbo would do with a TMIC. I always heard the 16g's have been too small for a FMIC which only made lag worse. Would spool be better with a TMIC? Or is this thing efficient enough you wanna go Front Mount?

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