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Old 04-10-2012, 11:03 AM   #1
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I am going to be washing and detailing my car for the first time since I got it. Got it a week ago sunday......So i was wondering I plan on washing the car, obviously and then clay bar. Which then after I am going to be treating the car with surf city garage's beyond clay....because I have heard it's really good on swirl marks. Yes!!!! the car is brand new and has swirl marks already. No thanks to the detailers at the dealership that washed the car once it had arrived and put swirl marks on all the WRX's.

So my question is after I have done all that. Which wax and/or polish can I buy locally that will make the car have that mirror showroom finish. Also if you know of another product better than the beyond clay stuff that can eliminate swirl marks please let me know. But it must be one that can be done by hand. I have a brand new orbital buffer but never used it myself. So dont wanna take the chance. Thanks in advance.
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Old 04-10-2012, 01:43 PM   #2
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Clay bar will remove fall out and contaminants that stick to your paint. It will not reduce swirls at all. Actually, it will create more swirls if you are not careful with it.

Polish is the only way to rid of swirls. Menzerna PO106FA or PO85RD are good polish for minimal swirls. I know Menzerna has a new naming system now, but you could still figure out what they are. There are other cheaper options out there too. I would recommend a green or blue detailersdomain uber pad for your orbital.

If you don't want to polish, a cleanser like Prima Amigo is good for "covering up" swirls and ridding of oxidation. It's a dark liquid cleanser so it will work great on your black car.

Then seal everything up with your favorite wax and or sealant. Collinite 845 is mine but everyone will have different opinions.

There are plenty of other products out there, but I just mentioned the ones I own and use.
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Old 04-10-2012, 03:05 PM   #3
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From what I gather Surf City Garage Beyond Clay is actually a paint cleaner/light polish so it has nothing to do with the clay process. The name is simply stating its a follow up to clay. It does not get very good reviews, of course alot of bad reviews come from someone not knowing how to use the product in the first place.

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I am going to be washing and detailing my car for the first time since I got it. Got it a week ago sunday......So i was wondering I plan on washing the car, obviously and then clay bar. Which then after I am going to be treating the car with surf city garage's beyond clay....because I have heard it's really good on swirl marks. Yes!!!! the car is brand new and has swirl marks already. No thanks to the detailers at the dealership that washed the car once it had arrived and put swirl marks on all the WRX's.

So my question is after I have done all that. Which wax and/or polish can I buy locally that will make the car have that mirror showroom finish. Also if you know of another product better than the beyond clay stuff that can eliminate swirl marks please let me know. But it must be one that can be done by hand. I have a brand new orbital buffer but never used it myself. So dont wanna take the chance. Thanks in advance.
Due to Subaru paints soft nature this may do a good job diminishing the swirls. However, I don't believe you will get the results you seek by hand compared to machine application for obvious reasons. This is purely speculation as I have no experience with this product, but have used others like it.

With that being said, I take it you have not purchased this product yet? If not I would suggest something with a little more correction power. Since it seems your are trying to stick with OTS products I would suggest something like Megs Ultimate Polish which is essentially a consumer grade m205 that finishes very well and is designed for use by hand or DA. It is hard to recommend products for correction waithout seeing the finish, so my recommendation may not be aggressive enough.

As for wax locally, my go to OTS products are usually megs so that is what I will suggest. Their NXT isn't too bad in the looks department, longevity leaves something to be desired. I have yet to try their Ultimate Wax but it has receive some pretty good reviews, I believe there is one in this forum (on a white MS3).

Honestly, most advice given on product choice is going to be farely limited/biased. Unless of course you get the suggestions from someone that has tried a large variety of products and put in significant time (Kean comes to mind) but even then there is still a little bias. With that being said, my recommendations are limited to products I have used and liked.

I suggest heading over to autopia.org and start reading. There is a vast amount of knowledge on that site and probably the most comprehensive review section I have ever seen. Knowledge is power my friend.

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Old 04-10-2012, 03:57 PM   #4
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thanks guys very helpful. As for how bad the finish is....it isn't really bad like most black cars where they have never been properly maintained. You can't really notice the swirl marks unless I point it out then with looking at it closely is when you can see the entire car has them. But judging by the looks of things I personally think it can be fixed very easily especially if it's by someone who knows what they are doing and have done it before. I try to post some pics of the swirl marks and maybe by seeing them you can tell me how bad it really is.
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Old 04-10-2012, 04:17 PM   #5
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I did a review on a sealer I ordered from the UK. I'm getting ready to put it on again in a week or so. My car still beads. Tar and bugs still comes off easily.

Here is my Thread with a video too. http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=2205489
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Old 04-11-2012, 04:43 PM   #6
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Just a tip on the Menzerna PO85RD you will never get it to break down properly with an orbital... You have to have a Rotary to get the full effect and with PO85RD the full effect is insanely incredible and enough to get almost any scratch out of Subaru paint.
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Old 04-11-2012, 06:43 PM   #7
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Just a tip on the Menzerna PO85RD you will never get it to break down properly with an orbital... You have to have a Rotary to get the full effect and with PO85RD the full effect is insanely incredible and enough to get almost any scratch out of Subaru paint.

This is not true. PO85RD is a finishing polish and is great for adding depth and removal of fine swirls from your paint. It can be used properly with a Random Orbital, you just need to run at a 5 to 6k RPM speed rating after the polish is evenly spread to get the best results. Here is a quick example of this on a PC 7424. I've used PO85RD on my Flex 3401 on both my Subaru and BMW both times i was able to break down the polish properly and have amazing results. The only advantage of the rotary will be added time savings.

If you are impatient you can opt for the PO106FF which is essentially the same product but has more abrasives and is designed for harder clear coat cars (NOT SUBARUS).

PO85RD is not designed to be used as a cut polish to remove deep scratches.
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Old 04-12-2012, 11:12 AM   #8
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A flex is force driven giving it attributes of a rotary,I didn't say you can't use a day but rather you may not get the same results as a rotary since it has diminishing abrasives.
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Old 04-12-2012, 12:27 PM   #9
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....there are plenty of examples of folks getting great results with PO85RD with DA's (not just the Flex....which I own as well). One just needs to browse detailing websites like Autopia.org.
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Just a tip on the Menzerna PO85RD you will never get it to break down properly with an orbital...
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A flex is force driven giving it attributes of a rotary,I didn't say you can't use a day but rather you may not get the same results as a rotary since it has diminishing abrasives.
In the future please try to do at least a little research about the products you're commenting on before you post. Starting out in detailing is hard enough without being given misinformed advice.

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....there are plenty of examples of folks getting great results with PO85RD with DA's (not just the Flex....which I own as well). One just needs to browse detailing websites like Autopia.org.
Sometimes I just want to give up on this forum. Thank you for being a voice a reason Kean.
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Old 04-12-2012, 07:51 PM   #11
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I've had good luck with Menzerna super intensive and an ultimate detailing machine.
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