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Old 06-19-2012, 09:41 AM   #51
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You're going to notice a very big difference over stock suspension, regardless of top mounts. The group N tops are stiffer, so you'll see improvements while cornering. Steering response will be a bit sharper than the stock mounts. But you'll get a bit more vibration and jounce to the passengers than stock mounts, but it'll still be less than using solid aluminum camber plates all around.

If you're doing track days or auto-x it's certainly worth it to go for the group N mounts or camber plates. If you are just looking to upgrade your daily driver the stock mounts are likely sufficient. But then you can also just put them together with the stock mounts and decide to upgrade to camber plates or group n mounts a year or two into the future. The suspension isn't all that difficult to remove, change, and reinstall.
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Old 06-19-2012, 10:32 AM   #52
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You're going to notice a very big difference over stock suspension, regardless of top mounts. The group N tops are stiffer, so you'll see improvements while cornering. Steering response will be a bit sharper than the stock mounts. But you'll get a bit more vibration and jounce to the passengers than stock mounts, but it'll still be less than using solid aluminum camber plates all around.

If you're doing track days or auto-x it's certainly worth it to go for the group N mounts or camber plates. If you are just looking to upgrade your daily driver the stock mounts are likely sufficient. But then you can also just put them together with the stock mounts and decide to upgrade to camber plates or group n mounts a year or two into the future. The suspension isn't all that difficult to remove, change, and reinstall.
The car (04 wrx wagon) currently has epic engineering wagon springs/GR2/stock tops(with way too many miles on the tops, but they seem in good shape) along with sways, endlinks etc...

I'm looking for a setup that will allow the following in order of importance:

Daily drivability
Slightly lower than current
New England winter survivability
Auto x survivability

Yes I know the first two usually counteract each other, which is why I was considering the use of a rubber top to help reduce some nvh.

No, I don't want to slam the car. I drive wayyy to much to deal with that crap.

I'd in reality, only be doing 1-2 auto x events per year. And they'd be non competitive since I likely suck and my car has to be classed higher than I am anyway.


Stick with what I've got? Thoughts?
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Old 06-19-2012, 10:51 AM   #53
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They would perform very well, just with less camber. It comes down to your intended use. If you are going to be doing track or autox driving on a regular basis you want camber plates in at least the front.

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Old 06-19-2012, 10:53 AM   #54
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They would perform very well, just with less camber. It comes down to your intended use. If you are going to be doing track or autox driving on a regular basis you want camber plates in at least the front.

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Thank.

If it comes to the point where I'm out driving my car, I'll consider the plates.
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Old 11-02-2012, 08:34 AM   #55
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So what's the results after a few years of harsh winters on these things? Being in Cleveland and a DD, corrosion resistance is a big issue.

everything else about these things are awesome though. I'll most likely be giving TiC a call for moar of their Because Racecar parts.
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Old 01-22-2013, 11:30 PM   #56
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2 HPDEs, 3 instructors, holding up well. Every instructor has expressed how well the car grips and turns. Ride is still comfortable.

Ive developed a metal on metal grinding noise in the front when turning the wheel at low speed, consistent with what Ive experienced in the past with failed bearings in the Camber Plates. This is something I need to work with TiC to figure out further.
I've read your thread and was wondering what was that noise you mentioned? Was it the bearings in the camber plates?
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Old 02-01-2013, 06:23 PM   #57
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The noise was an unrelated part in my suspension. Swapped out the struts and the noise persisted.

The suspension is holding up great still.
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Old 03-05-2013, 12:43 AM   #58
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Thanks for the brilliant write-up! Getting mine next week! :-)

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Old 03-05-2013, 01:26 AM   #59
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I installed these last weekend. I absolutely love them. Once I wash the car and get the alignment dialed I'll take some pictures and post a review!
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Old 03-05-2013, 07:27 AM   #60
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My set is currently for sale, btw.
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Old 03-10-2013, 05:03 PM   #61
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Bump because mine are sold but many were interested on my thoughts on the setup.
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Old 06-24-2013, 04:55 PM   #62
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Older thread bump.
I just picked up, and installed a set of ST coilovers (new) with GTWORX front camber plates and Group-N rears (new) on my 06 wagon. I had the same issue with the right front shock body having the lower clevis set up backwards from ST.

The dampers feel great, but there's a bit of "bobblehead" feeling in the car right now on the highways; it's almost nauseating. I'm wondering if I have too much, or not enough, pre-load on the rear springs.

Random question: did your ST's come with a spanner wrench? Mine did...I'm a little concerned/confused.
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Old 06-24-2013, 05:35 PM   #63
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Whats your ride height?
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Old 06-25-2013, 03:24 PM   #64
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Sitting at 16.5" hub to fender front, 17" hub to fender rear. That was with the car in the on jacks though, I need to re-measure with it on the ground. The car is getting aligned on Thursday, probably going to have them adjust the height too.

Funny thing is, the BCs on my 05 Legacy GT are riding better than the STs right now.
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Old 06-25-2013, 03:26 PM   #65
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Yeah, you need to measure the ride height with the car on the wheels, not with the suspension at full droop.
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Give it a couple weeks for them to break in. After that they will be super smooth.

I experienced the same thing on my ST's on my 330.

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^I'll be ordering some goodies with ST's included come sept

Thanks for the review. Really swayed my decision.
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Old 06-26-2013, 12:08 PM   #68
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Yeah, you need to measure the ride height with the car on the wheels, not with the suspension at full droop.
I'm sitting at roughly 13" from center hub to fender all around. I probably should bring it them up about 1/2" or so.

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Give it a couple weeks for them to break in. After that they will be super smooth.

I experienced the same thing on my ST's on my 330.

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Good to hear. Hopefully that is the case because right now they are terribly bouncy. I just both cars (Legacy and WRX) back to back yesterday on more or less the same roads - the Legacy rode much better.
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Looks like I'm leaving it at 13" for the time being.
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i got mine shipped to 84120 from no limit for 905 why pay 1550 and not go for kw v1 for 1700 doesnt make sence
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i got mine shipped to 84120 from no limit for 905 why pay 1550 and not go for kw v1 for 1700 doesnt make sence
Did yours include MSI camber plates?
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i got mine shipped to 84120 from no limit for 905 why pay 1550 and not go for kw v1 for 1700 doesnt make sence
You can get ST's for under $1000 shipped online. However, you still need top hats and/or camber plates.

I priced out a set of ST's with MSI front plates and group N rears - a shade under $1300 to my door.
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You can get ST's for under $1000 shipped online. However, you still need top hats and/or camber plates.

I priced out a set of ST's with MSI front plates and group N rears - a shade under $1300 to my door.
Hi. Where do you recommend purchasing online? I searched but surprisingly options aren't plentiful. This would be for a 2005 STI by the way.
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Hi. Where do you recommend purchasing online? I searched but surprisingly options aren't plentiful. This would be for a 2005 STI by the way.
Aside from vendors on here (which you would most likely get better custom service from), they are all over ebay for <$1000 shipped.
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Old 07-29-2013, 09:19 PM   #75
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I got mine on amazon a couple months ago...and right now if you pay with an amazon store card - 0% for 12 months
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