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Old 11-28-2012, 10:28 PM   #101
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xluben how is that wideband mounted down in the cubby hole? Is it just hanging there or?
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It is just hanging. It's in a gauge cup and held on with self stick industrial Velcro.
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Old 11-28-2012, 11:03 PM   #102
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How's your tranny holding up?
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Old 11-28-2012, 11:07 PM   #103
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How's your tranny holding up?
You mean after it shredded third gear and I put in a PAR gearset? Fine. Stock gears definitely couldn't handle this torque.
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Old 11-29-2012, 12:57 AM   #104
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my buddy had an hta86 in his '10wrx. He didnt last long at 500 matching with third.
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Old 11-29-2012, 09:42 AM   #105
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Wow, that's a big turbo. What numbers did it make? Do you have a plot? I haven't seen many 3G WRX's running big turbo's.
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Old 11-29-2012, 02:49 PM   #106
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I thought you didn't have a stock gearset, but I didn't see it in your OP. Maybe I'm blind
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Old 11-29-2012, 03:28 PM   #107
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I thought you didn't have a stock gearset, but I didn't see it in your OP. Maybe I'm blind
This post got bumped and is actually from a while ago. A couple months after this dyno my third gear went out at the track and the gearset was replaced. Currently I should be at around 480WHP, but I haven't been back on the dyno recently.
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Old 11-29-2012, 04:58 PM   #108
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Currently I should be at around 480WHP
On a 20G compressor with stock location hotside? Did I miss a turbo or heads and cams upgrade? Absolutely no disrespect, but the very basic napkin math says making 480whp = 600chp = 60 lbs/min turbo....

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Old 11-29-2012, 05:09 PM   #109
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On a 20G compressor with stock location hotside? Did I miss a turbo or heads and cams upgrade? Absolutely no disrespect, but the very basic napkin math says to making 480whp = 600chp = 60 lbs/min turbo....
That's quite a lot of drivetrain loss! Still the same turbo, stock heads and stock cams.

The Blouch turbo doesn't isn't a traditional TD05/TD06 20G setup. It is a Garrett 30R Ball bearing CHRA, 56.5mm turbine wheel, 68mm compressor wheel, with 8cm exhaust housing. Blouch rates it at 47lbs per min.

Even with that flow rating, the numbers may seem generous, but that's what they are. MAP is an independent dyno (ie. they have done no labor or tuning on my car), so I don't see any reason they would alter the numbers.
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Old 11-29-2012, 05:45 PM   #110
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That's quite a lot of drivetrain loss! Still the same turbo, stock heads and stock cams.

The Blouch turbo doesn't isn't a traditional TD05/TD06 20G setup. It is a Garrett 30R Ball bearing CHRA, 56.5mm turbine wheel, 68mm compressor wheel, with 8cm exhaust housing. Blouch rates it at 47lbs per min.
That's only 20%. Even at 10% drivetrain loss you're looking at 53+ lbs/min. Like I said, not looking for an argument, just curious about how you're defying the basic math.

Why quote compressor wheel exducer size? Basic power capability comes from inducer size...hence why that's how classing is done by the NHRA, IFO, etc. If you are going to tell someone what turbo you're running, tell them 52mm People are going to look at you pretty funny if you tell them you only make 480whp on a 68mm turbo
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Old 11-29-2012, 06:30 PM   #111
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I thought 20% sounded high. Maybe that's realistic. I wouldn't mind telling people I have 600HP. Lol.

Blouch specs exducer size. I haven't measured the wheel myself. Without a compressor map I'm not really sure how to interpret the turbo specs. Not sure what to tell you.
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Old 11-29-2012, 08:08 PM   #112
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On a 20G compressor with stock location hotside? Did I miss a turbo or heads and cams upgrade? Absolutely no disrespect, but the very basic napkin math says making 480whp = 600chp = 60 lbs/min turbo....
yeah it seems high who cares. watch a video of this car flying it kicks ass...its a dyno number who cares....just a tuning tool.
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Old 11-29-2012, 09:01 PM   #113
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Yeah. Idk what the dyno numbers mean. They're just for fun. The car seems like a lot of fun. It makes it through 50-100mph in 4.3-4.3 seconds.


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Old 11-29-2012, 10:00 PM   #114
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yeah it seems high who cares. watch a video of this car flying it kicks ass...its a dyno number who cares....just a tuning tool.
bwahahahahha.....someone obviously doesnt know who lance is....

im pretty sure he's well aware of that

xluben, you got any airboy plots?

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Old 11-29-2012, 11:37 PM   #115
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bwahahahahha.....someone obviously doesnt know who lance is....

im pretty sure he's well aware of that

xluben, you got any airboy plots?
Here is a recent log. Virtual Dyno and Airboy. Added PAR gears, EL header, and 3" GReddy exhaust since the original post.

For both:
  • 200 lbs delta weight
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For reference, here is the Virtual Dyno from back when I was on the Dynojet.



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Old 11-29-2012, 11:45 PM   #116
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that airboy seems pretty damn high. when i was making 450whp in airboy it was like 530whp in VD.
you got any plans to go to the track?

Have you compared your MAFv at lower boost levels at redline? I think you could probably lower the boost at high rpm and not lose any power
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Old 11-30-2012, 12:19 AM   #117
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that airboy seems pretty damn high. when i was making 450whp in airboy it was like 530whp in VD.
you got any plans to go to the track?

Have you compared your MAFv at lower boost levels at redline? I think you could probably lower the boost at high rpm and not lose any power
Could your AB vs VD comparison possibly have been with fast polling turned on? I've found that VD makes crazy high numbers with fast polling turned on.

I haven't specifically monitored MAF voltage vs boost but I did recently compare boost vs VD power and it showed good gains all the way up to my current boost levels.

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Old 11-30-2012, 12:22 AM   #118
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that airboy seems pretty damn high. when i was making 450whp in airboy it was like 530whp in VD.
you got any plans to go to the track?

Have you compared your MAFv at lower boost levels at redline? I think you could probably lower the boost at high rpm and not lose any power
Also, have you tuned any of the Don turbos at higher boost like this? It doesn't seem like many people do. TopSpeed's DOM1.5XTR testing was at similar boost levels (~27 peak, ~25 redline) and it made similar power and trapped 125mph. I do hope to do a few passes with this setup sometime but season it obviously over in MN now.
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Old 11-30-2012, 01:19 AM   #119
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Most turbos I do in that size range do not actually flow more air when u keep cranking the boost up at redline. I especially don't get results like yours and pick up 60whp with a 2psi increase at redline. That's almost unbelievable. Do u have the mafv plots that correspond with the above graphs?
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Old 11-30-2012, 01:30 AM   #120
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Sorry, I did not log MAF or even AFR on these runs. It was just a very quick/basic look at how my acceleration changed with changes in boost. I did take speedo vids of the runs and saw a 1/2 second decrease in 50-100MPH time for each change in boost.

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Old 11-30-2012, 11:49 PM   #121
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Ron,
What will it take for me to get another 50hp with the same setup? Can you bump up my boost and fuel to get me numbers like xlubens?
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Old 12-01-2012, 12:27 AM   #122
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you car boost wise is between his lowest and middle boost levels. your idc's were in the high 80's in near 100* temps....so yes you would probably need bigger injectors or pump and direct wire (dont remember if u had those off the top of my head).
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Old 12-01-2012, 02:56 AM   #123
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im looking at this FP... http://www.ebay.com/itm/E85-WALBRO-4...f7d2ec&vxp=mtr

I thought my fiveo ev14 1200s would have plenty overhead... 400 lph + rewire ought to provide more flow. What do you think?
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Old 12-01-2012, 11:14 AM   #124
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If you can make that fit into the 08+ housing, let me know. I wouldn't mind switching to that one too.
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Old 12-01-2012, 11:21 AM   #125
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If you can make that fit into the 08+ housing, let me know. I wouldn't mind switching to that one too.
You can do it. A friend of mine just had it done. It does require modification of the basket obviously...
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