2012 Formula 1 - Round 4: Bahrain Grand Prix - Page 5

d3v0 · 04-23-2012, 09:33 AM

Hmm, I dont see why they wouldnt be. Got a quote which shows otherwise?

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Bottom Feeder · 04-23-2012, 09:36 AM

Nope, just Hamilton seemed pissed, that's all.

d3v0 · 04-23-2012, 10:18 AM

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Nope, just Hamilton seemed pissed, that's all.

yeah. definitely a borderline move. But I dont see why an on-track antic would affect two guys who practically grew up together.

TyrannoSullyRex · 04-23-2012, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Bottom Feeder

Nope, just Hamilton seemed pissed, that's all.

I'm sure those two pitstops that were long enough to cook brownies might have something to do with that.

d3v0 · 04-23-2012, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by TyrannoSullyRex

I'm sure those two pitstops that were long enough to cook brownies might have something to do with that.

I love the radio transmission "what happened there, guys?"

Mclaren mechanic walk of shame shoulder slump is becoming a familiar sight

StuBeck · 04-23-2012, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by d3v0

They did.

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http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2012/04/2...red-incidents/

And Schumi's penalty in 2010 was because he almost put Rubens into the wall racing side-to-side. Here, it was tarmac run-off and neither car was fully or even halfway alongside.

That doesn't discuss why it was okay to push the car off track, or why it was okay for Hamilton to shortcut the track to make a pass. Pushing a driver into the grass isn't okay, and if it is...we're going to see drivers get hurt soon.

StuBeck · 04-23-2012, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by d3v0

I love the radio transmission "what happened there, guys?"

Mclaren mechanic walk of shame shoulder slump is becoming a familiar sight

I believe that guy was let go from the position after the race.

TyrannoSullyRex · 04-23-2012, 11:17 AM

https://twitter.com/#!/wtf1couk/stat...024000/photo/1

"The next generation of Germany vs Finland"

d3v0 · 04-23-2012, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by StuBeck

That doesn't discuss why it was okay to push the car off track, or why it was okay for Hamilton to shortcut the track to make a pass. Pushing a driver into the grass isn't okay, and if it is...we're going to see drivers get hurt soon.

I thought bolding that part would help you see that IF the car was alongside (which it wasnt) then it wasnt okay.

Its not a penalty because both cars were behind and chasing, and could have lifted to avoid going off but kept their foot flat.

Indocti Discant · 04-23-2012, 12:14 PM

Stu, what d3vo said. Rubens was alongside Schumacher when he got forced into the wall.

Lewis and Fernandon were behind Rosberg when they took too the outside to go around him. Rosberg blocked (allowed), Schumacher pushed (not allowed).

StuBeck · 04-23-2012, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by d3v0

I thought bolding that part would help you see that IF the car was alongside (which it wasnt) then it wasnt okay.

Its not a penalty because both cars were behind and chasing, and could have lifted to avoid going off but kept their foot flat.

I didn't get that from the text, thanks. Still doesn't answer my second question though.

d3v0 · 04-23-2012, 01:26 PM

it is indeed a very strangely worded sentence

sebtarta · 04-23-2012, 03:17 PM

d3vo I must say that the Bahraineans (sp) were very good with the F1 situation this weekend.
I apologies on my remark on the other thread.

delongedoug · 04-24-2012, 02:12 PM

Another great race to what is shaping up to be a great season! Kudos to Vettel, that took some mighty driving to hold Kimi off. Obviously big congrats to Lotus, they were flying out there. Happy for Grosjean to get the result he was so clearly capable of. I loved Webber's coy response to Brundle asking about the slot they covered on his car. That was some pretty racy stuff from Rosberg and since his move was deemed legal, I can't see how Hamilton passing him off the track was legal. I agree, make a call during the race. Referees are making calls in an instant in other sports. Here they review video and data and still say "We'll figure it out later".

I was surprised Diresta's 2 stopper worked after seeing how badly Kimi got slaughtered at the end of China. Webbo's gotta make something happen sometime. 4th is nice and consistent, but he needs more than that. McLaren; NelsonHaHa.jpg

d3v0 · 04-24-2012, 02:38 PM

they wait to "figure it out later" precisely because they must look at the data to make the correct call. From laymans view, it looks like Rosberg chopped Alonso and Hamilton - but looking at other angles etc, it clearly was not a penalty-worthy move. But imagine if they had screwed up the call during the race and dropped him way out of the points, only to say "hey, sorry" afterwards.

Its better to let them race unless it is very clear that a penalty is deserved. The problem with Knee-jerk reaction calls was illustrated in the GP2 race: ruined Fabio Leimer's win. Drive through penalty while he was leading because he lapped a faster lap when there was a yellow in one sector - except he actually had slowed through that sector but was faster for the rest of the lap but this was only determined AFTER the race was done and dusted. Rubbish.

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04-23-2012, 09:33 AM	#101
d3v0 Scooby Specialist Member#: 225692 Join Date: Oct 2009 Chapter/Region: MAIC Location: Pittsburgh, PA Vehicle: 2007 Subaru WRX TR Stage 2 - MRT Exhaust	Hmm, I dont see why they wouldnt be. Got a quote which shows otherwise? * Registered users of the site do not see these ads.

04-23-2012, 09:36 AM	#102
Bottom Feeder Scooby Specialist Member#: 2808 Join Date: Nov 2000 Chapter/Region: MAIC Location: Occupied Virginia	Nope, just Hamilton seemed pissed, that's all.

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TyrannoSullyRex Scooby Guru Member#: 8891 Join Date: Aug 2001 Chapter/Region: International Location: Houston, TX Vehicle: 2002 WRX Silver '02 SV650	https://twitter.com/#!/wtf1couk/stat...024000/photo/1 "The next generation of Germany vs Finland"

04-23-2012, 12:14 PM	#110
Indocti Discant Scooby Specialist Member#: 138000 Join Date: Jan 2007 Chapter/Region: BAIC Location: San Francisco Vehicle: Teri Ma	Stu, what d3vo said. Rubens was alongside Schumacher when he got forced into the wall. Lewis and Fernandon were behind Rosberg when they took too the outside to go around him. Rosberg blocked (allowed), Schumacher pushed (not allowed).

04-23-2012, 01:26 PM	#112
d3v0 Scooby Specialist Member#: 225692 Join Date: Oct 2009 Chapter/Region: MAIC Location: Pittsburgh, PA Vehicle: 2007 Subaru WRX TR Stage 2 - MRT Exhaust	it is indeed a very strangely worded sentence

04-23-2012, 03:17 PM	#113
sebtarta Scooby Specialist Member#: 82883 Join Date: Mar 2005 Chapter/Region: Tri-State Location: 3rd Planet Vehicle: 2006 2.5i Wagon '72 Nova Turns & Stops	d3vo I must say that the Bahraineans (sp) were very good with the F1 situation this weekend. I apologies on my remark on the other thread.

04-24-2012, 02:12 PM	#114
delongedoug Scooby Specialist Member#: 124113 Join Date: Aug 2006 Chapter/Region: NESIC Location: To infinity Vehicle: and beyond!	Another great race to what is shaping up to be a great season! Kudos to Vettel, that took some mighty driving to hold Kimi off. Obviously big congrats to Lotus, they were flying out there. Happy for Grosjean to get the result he was so clearly capable of. I loved Webber's coy response to Brundle asking about the slot they covered on his car. That was some pretty racy stuff from Rosberg and since his move was deemed legal, I can't see how Hamilton passing him off the track was legal. I agree, make a call during the race. Referees are making calls in an instant in other sports. Here they review video and data and still say "We'll figure it out later". I was surprised Diresta's 2 stopper worked after seeing how badly Kimi got slaughtered at the end of China. Webbo's gotta make something happen sometime. 4th is nice and consistent, but he needs more than that. McLaren; NelsonHaHa.jpg

04-24-2012, 02:38 PM	#115
d3v0 Scooby Specialist Member#: 225692 Join Date: Oct 2009 Chapter/Region: MAIC Location: Pittsburgh, PA Vehicle: 2007 Subaru WRX TR Stage 2 - MRT Exhaust	they wait to "figure it out later" precisely because they must look at the data to make the correct call. From laymans view, it looks like Rosberg chopped Alonso and Hamilton - but looking at other angles etc, it clearly was not a penalty-worthy move. But imagine if they had screwed up the call during the race and dropped him way out of the points, only to say "hey, sorry" afterwards. Its better to let them race unless it is very clear that a penalty is deserved. The problem with Knee-jerk reaction calls was illustrated in the GP2 race: ruined Fabio Leimer's win. Drive through penalty while he was leading because he lapped a faster lap when there was a yellow in one sector - except he actually had slowed through that sector but was faster for the rest of the lap but this was only determined AFTER the race was done and dusted. Rubbish.