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Old 04-25-2012, 06:18 PM   #26
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Did you mean clatter?



Subaru's boxer diesel is not a 2-stroke Detroit engine.. it's a full-on DOHC aluminum block modern diesel that's very expensive to produce and in no way simpler than the N/A Subaru gasoline engines it's meant to be an upgrade over... particularly not once you add in all the requisite emissions controls for the US market.
Just to prevent misunderstanding, a Detroit Diesel is not the simple 2-stroke of a Weedeater. It's a four valve per cylinder engine with a gear driven blower that just happens to fire every time the piston comes up to TDC.
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Old 04-26-2012, 06:43 AM   #27
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Right.. but it's a very simple design compared to a modern day, emissions meeting, direct injected turbo-diesel.
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Old 04-26-2012, 08:26 AM   #28
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And the Detroit 2- strokes have a sound all there own.

Emissions? Yes. Was that a yes or no question?.......

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Old 04-26-2012, 09:47 AM   #29
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Right.. but it's a very simple design compared to a modern day, emissions meeting, direct injected turbo-diesel.
Well no actually, it's not a very simple design. The modern Detroit Diesels are still Direct Injected, Supercharged and meet Emissions regs. To be fair it's a common misconception that Heavy Duty Diesel engines are crude and simple but tough and torquey. Most people are surprised to learn just how complicated and precise Diesel engines are.

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http://www.detroitdiesel.com/engines/dd13/default.aspx
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Old 04-26-2012, 11:30 AM   #30
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That's nice, and all.. I am obviously referring to early carbureted versions.. ie: those might be the only diesels that are vastly simpler than a comparable gasoline engine.


My entire point was that a modern diesel is anything but simple.

Edit: Guy PM'd me to let me know I was making some bad assumptions about Detroit Diesels, such as the little fact that they were never carbureted. Okay, I'm a diesel n0ob and I appreciate the schooling.

My original statement still stands, despite my picking a bad example. Diesels are not less complicated.. the reasons they usually last longer has more to do with them being overbuilt, using a less volatile fuel and turning at lower RPMs than their gasoline counterparts. I'm sorry to any of you I've insulted with my Detroit Diesel example. I am not anti-diesel. I'd really like to see the boxer diesel make it to the USA.

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Old 04-26-2012, 02:15 PM   #31
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Just to prevent misunderstanding, a Detroit Diesel is not the simple 2-stroke of a Weedeater. It's a four valve per cylinder engine with a gear driven blower that just happens to fire every time the piston comes up to TDC.
Perhaps diesels have improved since I drove my brothers big older Mercedes diesel, but that thing clattered. I didn't enjoy the quest just to find fuel, or waiting behind long lines of tractor trailers to fuel up either.
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Old 04-26-2012, 02:51 PM   #32
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This is too OT, the ref was for 2-stroke Diesel not 4-stroke right?

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Old 04-27-2012, 03:26 PM   #33
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Perhaps diesels have improved since I drove my brothers big older Mercedes diesel, but that thing clattered. I didn't enjoy the quest just to find fuel, or waiting behind long lines of tractor trailers to fuel up either.
Pretty much all gas stations are carrying Diesel fuel around here. It's all about where you're at.
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Old 03-07-2013, 03:38 AM   #34
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So I own a 2004 WRX Wagon.
As the one of the exhaust valves just broke in my engine, I need to rebuild/replace it. Can't really afford new.

This spurned a whole lot of comparisons and shopping for a replacement engine.
If I could and it was doable, I probably would want to replace the engine with this Diesel. 300 ft. lbs. of torque @ 1900 RPM? Yummy.

This Diesel, in a Forester without CVT is claimed to get 37 mpg Combined in Europe. Subaru Australia claims 5.9L/100km, or 39.5 mpg.

Here is why:
Compare cost/year of gas at my local gas station. 20,000 miles/year is my average driving distance.
  • Current engine, Premium Gas, Current MPG: $0.17 a mile, $3325/year.
  • Theoretically, drop this Diesel engine in a Impreza Sport with CVT.
    • Even at 39 mpg Combined, this car would be $0.11 a mile, $2130/year.
    • Stating the obvious, this is a smaller car, with CVT it is 450 lbs. less than the Forester.
    • If it were to get 50 mpg Combined, we are talking $0.08 a mile, $1660/year on over $4 diesel.
If Subaru got these kind of numbers with the Boxer Diesel on AWD, we are talking a dominance of the Northern U.S. market (who like AWD) for several years.
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Old 03-07-2013, 06:07 AM   #35
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A more recent Subaru Australia update on the arrival of the Outback Diesel CVT is at http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=2455910.

BTW, SOA is totally uninterested in selling Diesel cars here in the foreseeable future.
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Old 03-12-2013, 12:48 PM   #36
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Hopefully this system makes to to North America this would be perfect for a daily commute car.
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Old 03-12-2013, 01:12 PM   #37
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I would buy a diesel impreza/crosstrek tomorrow, if possible.
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Old 03-12-2013, 02:04 PM   #38
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I would buy a diesel impreza/crosstrek tomorrow, if possible.
There are many of us with that same sentiment. SOA won't make us happy in this regard.
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Old 03-12-2013, 02:08 PM   #39
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brewski... if you're going to get a diesel engine, you won't be able to get it inspected in many states as it's not an approved engine for US consumption.

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I would rock a new forester diesel, if avaialble.

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Old 03-22-2013, 01:19 PM   #43
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Subaru Australia's embargo on articles involving driving impressions of the new Outback Diesel CVT expired today so, suddenly, a slew of review articles have popped up online:
http://www.motoring.com.au/reviews/2...h-review-35719
http://www.carsguide.com.au/news-and...t_drive_review
http://www.themotorreport.com.au/562...ad-test-review
http://www.caradvice.com.au/221479/s...omatic-review/
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Subaru Australia's embargo on articles involving driving impressions of the new Outback Diesel CVT expired today so, suddenly, a slew of review articles have popped up online:
http://www.motoring.com.au/reviews/2...h-review-35719
http://www.carsguide.com.au/news-and...t_drive_review
http://www.themotorreport.com.au/562...ad-test-review
http://www.caradvice.com.au/221479/s...omatic-review/
One of those articles says the US Forester will get the diesel in late-14.
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One of those articles says the US Forester will get the diesel in late-14.
No, it didn't. The article at http://www.carsguide.com.au/news-and...t_drive_review did report:
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TECHNOLOGY

The continuously-variable transmission (CVT) is a stronger version of that fitted to the petrol-fuelled Forester (which doesn’t get a diesel-auto combo until late 2014). This auto has been heavily modified and enhanced (including an oil cooler) so it offers a seven-speed stepped mode (like a conventional auto) with functions that assist downhill and engine braking.

The 110kW/350Nm 2-litre turbo-diesel - similar to the one fitted to the manual-transmission Outback and Forester - and claims an impressive 6.5 litres/100km. It can tow up to 1700kg. The extra weight of the diesel mill means the Aussie-tuned suspension and steering have been beefed up.
It's good to know the Outback Diesel CVT can tow up to 3748 pounds (braked, of course). That's the same max as the manual transmission version.

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Old 04-29-2013, 11:31 AM   #46
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Default apropos of nothing here's the GLK 250 Bluetec 4Matic

http://www.mbusa.com/mercedes/benz/i...GLK250_BlueTEC



Already available in Canada, before the end of spring in US (some dealers reporting early-mid May). I've probably posted this before but I'd be interested to see this tested against the new FXT, especially with a loaded FXT approaching $37K.
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Old 04-29-2013, 11:39 AM   #47
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I would buy a diesel impreza/crosstrek tomorrow, if possible.
If i could get Forester diesel with a 6-speed... I would certainly consider it.

Torque is good on a utility vehicle, and allows more work, and lower cruising RPMs.

But NOOOO, Subaru of America doesn't want to offer american customers interesting Subarus.
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But NOOOO, Subaru of America doesn't want to offer american customers interesting Subarus.
There you go. Interesting cars typically don't sell. I imagine the take rate for the 6-spd petrol Forester is probably 20 to 1. Just like the CRV and Rav4, the manual will go away for the Forester.
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Old 04-29-2013, 12:58 PM   #49
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If i could get Forester diesel with a 6-speed... I would certainly consider it.

Torque is good on a utility vehicle, and allows more work, and lower cruising RPMs.

But NOOOO, Subaru of America doesn't want to offer american customers interesting Subarus.

Interesting you put it that way. I've talked to someone who has driven one here and he said it was uninteresting....

I was more interested in the EDM interior than I was the engine. It had a cover and looked pretty much no different than a LGT. Would have loved to at least listen to it, but it had a dead battery.
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It depends on what interests you.

A diesel Forester is not going to be a speed demon, nor should it be expected to be.

But a low range first gear, and full time AWD, with ground clearance... and tons of torque, it might even give some big expensive jeeps a run for their money.

It isn't likely to be a sporty drive on-road, though.

Probably gets mid-30s to 40s in fuel economy, with all of that torque, which some people might see as a benefit. Most gas engines that get anywhere close don't have full time AWD, and are torque-less anemic wimps.
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