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Old 01-13-2008, 11:02 PM   #1
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So I have a stock suspended '03 wrx wagon. I was thinking about:

-KYB Gr2 struts
-Eibach or tein springs
-rear sway bar?(not sure of best one)
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-install instructions and difficulty?

This is my daily driver so I want responsiveness, no saggy wagon butt, and a decent ride. Anyone running this type of setup? I have read some people use sedan rear sway bars, is this a good setup?

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Old 01-14-2008, 01:47 AM   #2
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KYB GR2 FTL.
Eiback/Tein FTL

The GR2s aren't bad really, there's just nothing good to say about them as they're basically the stockers in a different dress. I would encourage you to look at the Koni inserts, since they're able to be used with a wider range of springs than the GR2s, have a nicer ride, and are a direct wagon fitment.

Neither Eibach nor Tein make a spring that's a good combination of rate and ride height. In your situation (WRX wagon DD), I would suggest strongly going with the USDM STi take offs (with put the rear end 1/8th of an inch lower than the front, so no visible saggy butt) and offer good rates for DD+fun. If you don't want to do that, you might want to look at the Ground Control sleeves to use with the aforementioned Koni inserts so you can pick your own ride height and spring rates.

The rear sway is a good idea. Brand doesn't really matter, but I would start with the smaller ones that adjust 20-22-24mm rather than the beefy ones. You're coming from a 13mm bar, so even the smallest aftermarket sways are a BIG change. Don't forget to do endlinks at the same time.

For a look at where you can do, here's my mods list copied from my .sig on another forum:

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Old 01-14-2008, 02:36 AM   #3
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Thanks for the info. Are the Koni inserts difficult? What is the cost?
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Old 01-14-2008, 02:41 AM   #4
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Thanks for the info. Are the Koni inserts difficult? What is the cost?
Nope, they're not difficult at all. Cost varies between about $525 and $575 depending on the weather.
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Old 01-14-2008, 08:37 AM   #5
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There's a sticky about installing the Konis at the top of the forum
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Old 01-14-2008, 09:44 AM   #6
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Koni inserts, wagon pink springs, Whiteline rear swaybar.
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Old 01-14-2008, 09:48 AM   #7
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If you are looking to save some $ look into the subaru oem 20mm rear sway bar. They are 90 dollars or so from subarugenuineparts.com and bolt right up in 20 mins. It isn't pretty or fancy but it transforms the wagon into a completely different car and drives great with it. Also i can recommend the Prodrive blue springs. They aren't wagon specific but I just put a pair on yesterday and you don't see saggy butt. The rates are low so they lead to a great feeling ride, add a nice looking drop, and the car performs so much nicer now.
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Old 01-14-2008, 10:26 AM   #8
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If this is really a daily driver (no motorsports or aggressive driving), then the GR-2s would be fine. I ran them for a while and liked them for daily driving, they are just too soft for any kind of motorsports or spirited driving. They are cheap too...about $300 shipped.

Prodrive blues would be good or STi takeoffs...
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Old 01-14-2008, 12:48 PM   #9
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Which sti springs? usdm or jdm, and where can you find them?
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Old 01-14-2008, 12:58 PM   #10
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Which sti springs? usdm or jdm, and where can you find them?
One place to find them is here. I just sent Jamie a PM this past Saturday and they have them in stock. You might want to do some comparison shopping to see if you can find a better deal....but from personal experience, I've had nothing but good experiences from Subaru Genuine Parts.

Check them out in the vendor section and read up on their reviews if you intend to purchase from them. You should be looking for the STi Pink springs that are wagon specific.


*edit* These have literally the same spring rate that you'd see from springs taken off a USDM STi sedan. The only problem with that is that you'll have the appearance of a noticeably raked (saggy butt) stance if you use standard tophats. The good side is that USDM STi springs can be readily had for about $60.... One remedy for the saggy butt syndrome is the Race Comp Engineering Lowering front camber plates.
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Old 01-14-2008, 02:09 PM   #11
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My cheap DD '06 WRX wagon suspension:

1. OEM 20 mm RSB ($90)
2. Decent alignment (0 toe, -1.5 camber in front), I needed camber bolts ($35) in the lower holes for this. Others have been able to get good front camber without needing them.
3. STi WRX wagon specific springs ($230)

I like this setup, it is a huge step up from stock without much compromise in comfort or practicality. My wife even says it feels better than the stock setup when driving over rough roads. If you want to save money you can use USDM STi takeoffs instead of the WRX wagon pinks ($60 instead of $230). My understanding is the only difference is a very small increase in rear drop.

I listed the above in order of importance, but obviously you'll need an alignment after you install springs. I do my own installs and alignmnents, so that saves a ton of money as well.
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Old 01-14-2008, 02:55 PM   #12
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I like this setup, it is a huge step up from stock without much compromise in comfort or practicality. My wife even says it feels better than the stock setup when driving over rough roads. If you want to save money you can use USDM STi takeoffs instead of the WRX wagon pinks ($60 instead of $230). My understanding is the only difference is a very small increase in rear drop.
Agreed...if you don't mind an 8mm variance (the relative amount of additional drop some RCE plates will get you), this is a cost-effective method of adding a little performance. And Konis or Dspecs can be added later for a little bit of adjustable precision.
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Old 01-14-2008, 03:04 PM   #13
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The USDM STi take offs resulted in a 1/8th of an inch drop in the rear end. That's not even visible, no saggy butt at all.
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Hmm. I highly recommend D-specs for great range of streetable adjustments. Maybe some Crucial
(i think) springs that mimic the STi pink jdm springs rates.

Should give a firm, but nice ride on dry roads that you can soften up for winter or rough roads if need be. Adjustment takes about 1min total. (make sure you get the short cable adjusters to install behind your back seat)

Then perhaps some used sway bars to help elim. body roll without stiffening up your shocks too much.
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You guys are great! The only reason I was considering the kyb gr2 struts was for replacement of the stockers. I figure with 60k and five years old they are probably about done. The sti springs are a direct replacement for '03 wagon, or do they require '04 top hats?
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Hmm. I highly recommend D-specs for great range of streetable adjustments. Maybe some Crucial
(i think) springs that mimic the STi pink jdm springs rates.

Should give a firm, but nice ride on dry roads that you can soften up for winter or rough roads if need be. Adjustment takes about 1min total. (make sure you get the short cable adjusters to install behind your back seat)

Then perhaps some used sway bars to help elim. body roll without stiffening up your shocks too much.
Konis>D-Specs UNLESS you're going to be beating the crap out of the car offroad (which would break the Konis) like me. Then D-Specs FTW.
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You guys are great! The only reason I was considering the kyb gr2 struts was for replacement of the stockers. I figure with 60k and five years old they are probably about done. The sti springs are a direct replacement for '03 wagon, or do they require '04 top hats?
'04+ top hats (If you are using 02-03 fitment rear struts, you should also get the Scooby921 spacer from Turn In Concepts).
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Konis>D-Specs UNLESS you're going to be beating the crap out of the car offroad (which would break the Konis) like me. Then D-Specs FTW.
I am going to try to make the SCCA Rally-X National Event in OH this year. Will I see you there?
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I am going to try to make the SCCA Rally-X National Event in OH this year. Will I see you there?
Probably not. Entry fee money is going to be REALLY tight this year and road rally comes first. I may show up as a spectator/photographer though.
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Before I got my coilovers and went kinda nuts with my suspension parts for autox, I had a good responsive yet comfortable daily driver wagon.

I had prodrive springs on KYB AGX's. I would recommend that (although you need camber plates or bolts to fix the camber, since they only make AGX's for the sedan), or prodrives with the Koni's (the KYB's are pretty much bottom of the barrel as far as adjustable struts, but I still liked them just fine). Just putting a sedan rear sway bar (20mm) will compliment the springs nice.
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Cheap setup that is durable, rides well, and has little drop: GR2's with USDM STI springs ~$350

nicer setup with adjustability: Tokico D-spec with Racecomp wagon springs, $850

Auto-x setup that needs a little work to setup: Koni inserts with Racecomp wagon or other nice springs $900+

Either way, get a 20mm rear sway bar off a WRX sedan (make certain that it's not a 17mm)
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In regards to saggy wagon butt, I'm beginning to think it was much worse with 02/3 wagons using V7 STi sedan springs. It was a noticeable difference and one that no one on this board would tolerate for a day. I think with the 04+ STi's that there might have been some kind of a rake change or something that allows less extreme rake change when using sedan springs on the wagon.
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In regards to saggy wagon butt, I'm beginning to think it was much worse with 02/3 wagons using V7 STi sedan springs. It was a noticeable difference and one that no one on this board would tolerate for a day. I think with the 04+ STi's that there might have been some kind of a rake change or something that allows less extreme rake change when using sedan springs on the wagon.
Know anybody in the SCIC who'd let me borrow some STi sedan take offs for a day or two? I'd definitely like to take some measurements and pics for a little comparo.
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Know anybody in the SCIC who'd let me borrow some STi sedan take offs for a day or two? I'd definitely like to take some measurements and pics for a little comparo.
That would be great info to have. Sixtoo, Cannondales are my favorite too. Currently ride a prophet 4 I got last summer. About how much drop do sti springs give?
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That would be great info to have. Sixtoo, Cannondales are my favorite too. Currently ride a prophet 4 I got last summer. About how much drop do sti springs give?
Not exactly sure, but I know the wagon specific STi springs drop you around 15-22mm.

Prophet 4, huh? That's an amazing bike...I'm was actually thinking about starting trailbiking later this year. I'm currently debating whether to get to pick up a six13 (more expensive but great components) or a RoadWarrior1/RoadWarrior2 as a leisure/exercise roadbike.
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