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Old 03-03-2014, 03:35 PM   #176
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maybe I missed this somewhere but... John what are the specs on your wheels? I have an 06 sti with stock wheels for now. I havent bought wheels yet because my air lift kit should be here in a week. Im just trying to get an idea of how much cutting will be required and if there is a different wheel measurement I could run that would give a great stanced look with less modification. What would be a great fitment for this kit?
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Old 03-03-2014, 05:49 PM   #177
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Old 03-04-2014, 07:09 PM   #178
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If you're not on bags.... You're doing it wrong
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Old 03-17-2014, 12:33 PM   #179
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For the people with v2 is it a pita when you have to adjust your height for cargo r passengers?
Seems like it's easier and cheaper to use v2 but just don't want to be annoyed anytime I'm adding or losing weight if I go this route
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For the people with v2 is it a pita when you have to adjust your height for cargo r passengers? Seems like it's easier and cheaper to use v2 but just don't want to be annoyed anytime I'm adding or losing weight if I go this route
Those were my concerns before I ordered my kit.
Then I thought, if I just load it up with a few big guys and set one of the presets to a "loaded" setting it shouldn't be a problem.
I haven't installed my kit yet(still building trunk setup), so correct me if I'm wrong.
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Old 03-17-2014, 01:33 PM   #181
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For the people with v2 is it a pita when you have to adjust your height for cargo r passengers?
Seems like it's easier and cheaper to use v2 but just don't want to be annoyed anytime I'm adding or losing weight if I go this route
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Those were my concerns before I ordered my kit.
Then I thought, if I just load it up with a few big guys and set one of the presets to a "loaded" setting it shouldn't be a problem.
I haven't installed my kit yet(still building trunk setup), so correct me if I'm wrong.
This is a very common concern, I'll explain as best as I can.

Accounting for additional weight (e.g., cargo, passengers, etc.) is tricky with ANY system that doesn't utilize height sensors (read: everything that isn't e-Level). There isn't really a formula (intrinsically speaking) that one can follow. You basically just need to add pressure until it "looks about right" and call it good. The glory of a height-based system (e-Level) is that it handles this exact situation for you entirely by itself. With e-Level, passengers hop in, the system automatically re-levels. That's it, plain and simple. With a pressure-based system (anything from manual paddle valves, switchspeed, analog, or the V2 system) this is your job. When passengers hop in or extra cargo is added you tap pressure into the bags until your driving height looks about the same as where you're aligned at.

The primary reason for making adjustments for additional cargo is of course your alignment as it affects tire wear, straight line stability, steering response and other various things that fall under the umbrella of "handling". It really isn't difficult to get your suspension height to be "close enough" by just making the adjustments yourself, but it is certainly much easier having a computer do it for you (i.e., e-Level).

Honestly, even though the V2 offers 8 different presets so that you can have settings for various amounts of cargo, I always find it easier to just make the adjustment myself. In V2 cars, I have a settings for:
  • Aired Out
  • Lowered Drive Height (just me in the car)
  • Aligned Drive Height (just me in the car)
  • Lifted Height (just me in the car)
  • Lowered Drive Height (Single front passenger)
  • Aligned Drive Height (single front passenger)
  • Lifted Height (single front passenger)
  • Heavy Load (high pressures on all four corners)

Simply put, its just me in the car 90% of the time, and when I do have a passenger they're likely in the front seat, so I dedicate most of my presets to those scenarios. I then have one setting for "heavy load", but I still check each corner's height before embarking on any sort of long voyage as it is a near impossibility that this preset is perfect for my load distribution.

Long story short: Its not a "pain in the butt" to adjust pressure with the V2, its just like any other pressure system. However, you will be thanking yourself every day that you have a digital system that makes your life super simple when you're driving around with a "normal" load of just you or you and a passenger. This is what puts the V2 over any other non-digital pressure-based system e.g., manual, analog or switchspeed.

PM me with any questions or of course post 'em up here!

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Old 03-17-2014, 01:39 PM   #182
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maybe I missed this somewhere but... John what are the specs on your wheels? I have an 06 sti with stock wheels for now. I havent bought wheels yet because my air lift kit should be here in a week. Im just trying to get an idea of how much cutting will be required and if there is a different wheel measurement I could run that would give a great stanced look with less modification. What would be a great fitment for this kit?
My wheel specs are super specific to my build as I have a wagon driveline with sedan body panels which allows me to run MUCH more aggressive/wide wheels than would otherwise be impossible.

The typical "go-to" wheel specs for the GD/GG platform is 18x9.5 et35 which results in perfect fitment when aired out. There really isn't any wheel spec that will not require some heavy modifications to the front wheel wells in order to get that perfect fender-to-lip fitment, unfortunately

Lots of info on tubbing / cutting / notching in my build thread in this specific post: http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...2&postcount=27

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Old 03-17-2014, 01:49 PM   #183
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Thanks much! Will you guys be at wbm again this year I will be there for the first time, and will definitely stop by if you guys are there
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Old 03-17-2014, 03:30 PM   #184
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Thanks much! Will you guys be at wbm again this year I will be there for the first time, and will definitely stop by if you guys are there
Glad I could help! Oh yeah we will be, got the biggest booth possible Stop by and say hi! I will be there along with Kevin (warehouse manager, silver 05 RS) and Mike (sales rep, wrb 04 sti, also manages this account).

See you there!
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Old 03-19-2014, 09:50 AM   #185
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i have a bagged 05 sti and i want to put xxr 527 18x8.75 but dont know what offset to do +35 or +20 can anyone help me out.
i dont want to much camber or fender modifying
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Old 03-19-2014, 12:50 PM   #186
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i have a bagged 05 sti and i want to put xxr 527 18x8.75 but dont know what offset to do +35 or +20 can anyone help me out.
i dont want to much camber or fender modifying
This isn't really an air ride question, but regardless I'm happy to help other enthusiasts with whatever they need I recommend using the calculators here: http://stu.taylor-net.co.uk/tools/fitment

Enter your current wheel specs and the specs for whatever wheel you're thinking of switching to. It will tell you the difference in poke / strut clearance.

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Old 03-19-2014, 11:06 PM   #187
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So I'm looking at doing a accu-air e-level system on my 2013 wrx sedan. and i was wondering what all i would need to upgrade to do the install, like what suspension components will i need to upgrade on my car. also i plan on doing just the air right now then doing wheel in the near future. What would u guys recommend? i plan on also getting the airlift performance series setup! Purchasing All through Bag Riders. Can i also get a price on the E-level setup for my car (complete kit with the performance series struts)
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Old 03-20-2014, 08:01 AM   #188
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So I'm looking at doing a accu-air e-level system on my 2013 wrx sedan. and i was wondering what all i would need to upgrade to do the install, like what suspension components will i need to upgrade on my car. also i plan on doing just the air right now then doing wheel in the near future. What would u guys recommend? i plan on also getting the airlift performance series setup! Purchasing All through Bag Riders. Can i also get a price on the E-level setup for my car (complete kit with the performance series struts)
You don't need to modify any other suspension components or anything else about your vehicle. If you decide to upgrade other suspension components that's great and all but its absolutely not needed, it's just like any other aftermarket suspension installation.

Regarding wheels, in my opinion it's always best to lower the car to your desired height before deciding on wheels, that way you can build the wheels to your desired specs.

Our kits include every single thing that you need to do the installation so we've got you covered We offer our "Full Kits" which are built in-house to ensure you receive every single part that you need. You can see the e-Level TouchPad kit for your '13 WRX here: http://bagriders.com/modlab/products...EL-SYSTEM.html. Just a heads up, I would wait until next month as we may be running a "Deal of the Month" on e-Level

As you can see, there are quite a few options to choose from so I'll go over each one and give you a bit of info so you can make a more informed purchasing decision.

Front/Rear Suspension - Air Lift Performance Series struts and shocks are, as of now, the only suspension that we offer for the 08+ WRX Chassis.

Air Tank - Personal choice. The 4 Gallon size is perfect for a daily. For a track car or weekend warrior, the 2.5 is great as you won't be making adjustments as often so no need for a larger reserve of air, but that's just my opinion!

Compressor - Personally, I recommend either the 400C or 400C Dual Pack, but you can read about the differences in compressors here: http://bagriders.com/modlab/pages/AI...sor-difference. For information on single vs dual compressor setups, check out this link to our FAQ: http://bagriders.com/modlab/pages/AI...ual-compressor. Basically, unless you plan on filling to over 150psi I would stick with the 400C.

Compressor Check Valve Kit - Highly recommend this option to help prevent hard to find check-valve failures that are common with the check valve included on VIAIR compressor hoses. Every single employee car at Bag Riders has upgraded check valves!

Compressor Silencer - Personal choice. If you mount the compressor somewhere tucked, it won't be too loud. I have a wagon (so, open cabin) and my pump is just in the spare tire boot. I don't even notice it turn on when I'm on the highway. I currently use AccuAir EXO Mounts (which won't work on the Air Link tank) but even without them, the pump is not as much of a nuisance as you may think. It really is all about where you mount it, and how you mount it.

Power Kit - You will need one of these unless you are certain that you've made other accomodations for getting 12v to the back of your car. Choose an option according your compressor selection. More info on power kits here: http://bagriders.com/modlab/pages/AI...need-power-kit

Gauge Kit - I highly recommend a Gauge Kit with e-Level setups for all performance oriented applications. Remember, air spring pressure is your effective spring rate. Knowing your bag pressure is required if you plan on corner balancing the vehicle and is otherwise just great information to have. Think of it like any other gauge you would find in a performance car, such as boost, EGT or Oil Pressure. This is just the kind of stuff you want to know on a performance application and air spring pressure fits right in. I highly recommend the DigiGauge system, it is the cleanest and most cost effective gauge out there. More info on Gauges in general here: http://bagriders.com/modlab/pages/AI...-i-need-gauges and more info on DigiGauge here: http://bagriders.com/modlab/products...E-DISPLAY.html. Since its release, DigiGauge has quickly become the leader of the Digital Gauge market, there is really no superior product.

Water Trap - Similar to the compressor check valves, I always recommend at least one water trap. Standard procedure here at Bag Riders is to install it between the tank and VU4 manifold, but you can also install them between the compressor and air tank. They are just a good "peace of mind" item that helps protect your high-end system from moisture and debris. More info on water traps here: http://bagriders.com/modlab/pages/AI...re-water-traps

Air Line Size - Personal choice. I like 1/4" myself, having used both 1/4" and 3/8" in my WRX I decided on 1/4" as I feel it is "smoother" when making adjustments. Also, if you get a pressure gauge, it is a lot easier to make small adjustments (e.g., 1 psi) with 1/4" line compared to with 3/8" line which lets more air flow to the bag when making adjustments.

I hope that info helps! Feel free to PM me or post here if you have any other questions!

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Got mine all set up, one quick issue, possibly not an issue, I've got one compressor and one 3 gallon tank.

Utilizing the V2 presets, currently 50psi all four corners to air up, it requires two or three double clicks to get there.

One double click and i get to maybe 30psi and it says "unsuccessful"

One or two more double clicks and I'm up to my desired preset height.

Do I need moar tank, or what?

Just annoying, if I daily drove it I would be more concerned, just curious what the deal is with it.
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Has anybody mounted the autopilot v2 manifold/Ecu on an exo Ecu mount? I know it's designed for the vu4 but I don't want to have to fab a whole new mount, but wouldn't mind making some modifications.
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Got mine all set up, one quick issue, possibly not an issue, I've got one compressor and one 3 gallon tank.

Utilizing the V2 presets, currently 50psi all four corners to air up, it requires two or three double clicks to get there.

One double click and i get to maybe 30psi and it says "unsuccessful"

One or two more double clicks and I'm up to my desired preset height.

Do I need moar tank, or what?

Just annoying, if I daily drove it I would be more concerned, just curious what the deal is with it.
How much pressure is in your tank when trying to hit the preset? Are you able to manually lift to 50psi on all four corners without the compressor kicking on? Also remember, the V2 is pressure presets, not height! Important to remember as to avoid damaging your fenders and quarter panels!


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Has anybody mounted the autopilot v2 manifold/Ecu on an exo Ecu mount? I know it's designed for the vu4 but I don't want to have to fab a whole new mount, but wouldn't mind making some modifications.
Yes, very minor modifications are required, it can be done in a couple different ways but I personally prefer modifying the EXO mount by drilling holes that match the V2's footprint. The V2 is slightly longer than the EXO mount but that is no concern. Here's a photo of Joe's BRZ on a Bag Riders V2 setup utilizing an EXO mount!
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How much pressure is in your tank when trying to hit the preset? Are you able to manually lift to 50psi on all four corners without the compressor kicking on? Also remember, the V2 is pressure presets, not height! Important to remember as to avoid damaging your fenders and quarter panels! Yes, very minor modifications are required, it can be done in a couple different ways but I personally prefer modifying the EXO mount by drilling holes that match the V2's footprint. The V2 is slightly longer than the EXO mount but that is no concern. Here's a photo of Joe's BRZ on a Bag Riders V2 setup utilizing an EXO mount!
Thanks, I just didn't want to disassemble the v2 with no prior knowledge.
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Right I meant preset height pertaining to pressures. It seems to be a little more cooperative since my post, but I would have 148 in the tank, it brings all four up to 30, then 40, then 50.

I'd have to get exact numbers, spent my weekend rigging in the spare tire well, seems to be working well so far I'll get a budget setup DIY up for hatch users when I get to it.
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Thanks, I just didn't want to disassemble the v2 with no prior knowledge.
Definitely a good call. Glad I could help!

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Right I meant preset height pertaining to pressures. It seems to be a little more cooperative since my post, but I would have 148 in the tank, it brings all four up to 30, then 40, then 50.

I'd have to get exact numbers, spent my weekend rigging in the spare tire well, seems to be working well so far I'll get a budget setup DIY up for hatch users when I get to it.
When calibrating, towards the end of the calibration "dance", the system should go from aired down to verrrrry close to the desired preset, this is a sign that calibration is nearing completion as the system has "figured out" the amount of time to hold valves open for. You might want to try re-calibrating, or if your V2 has the "ADJ" setting you can increase that value to make the system more "aggressive" when aiming for presets.
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ive got an issue, 13' wrx hatch airlift struts on elevel, running fronts at 50 rears at 58 +/- 3psi, Ive got a thumping/squek sound when the left rear moves, damping at factory airlift setting, mount threaded to achieve most lift possible, ive tried different pressures but it doesent go away, if i have my car stationary and kind of hop up and down in the rear you can hear it, any ideas?
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ive got an issue, 13' wrx hatch airlift struts on elevel, running fronts at 50 rears at 58 +/- 3psi, Ive got a thumping/squek sound when the left rear moves, damping at factory airlift setting, mount threaded to achieve most lift possible, ive tried different pressures but it doesent go away, if i have my car stationary and kind of hop up and down in the rear you can hear it, any ideas?
Hmmm... try turning the damping down a few clicks (more soft) and ensuring all of the bolts for the upper mount and LCA are torqued correctly. While you're down there, have a look at the bushings for the arms to the chassis which may be wearing more quickly due to the stiffer-than-OEM suspension. Suspension clunks are always tricky since there are so many potential factors. In my opinion it is always best to try to eliminate as many variables as possible before replacing the shock/strut.

Let me know what you find out and of course if you have any other questions!

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So I adjust my ride height while there is 0-psi on all corners.
I adjust it visually for almost zero tire to fender gap.
So its preset ride height is set at 45fronts 53rears

I notice while playing around with it. raising all corners to 60psi
Trying to figure out why the measured/visual height dont remain the same when I press the preset ride height, but pessure levels hit targeted ride height psi. And it sit higher..
Its nearly off by an inch or more...


And If I set the ride height while all corner are at 60psi.
it turns out I need less PSI to achieve that same measured/visual height. And at this point if I select preset ride height from full slammed, the preset ride height is actually lower...

So unless I visually look at it from outside, I will never know my alignment ride hieght.. its annoying.

Is this normal?
Is there another way to calibrate?
Or is this a manifold problem?

I also emailed jeff@airlift, waiting for a response
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Hmmm... try turning the damping down a few clicks (more soft) and ensuring all of the bolts for the upper mount and LCA are torqued correctly. While you're down there, have a look at the bushings for the arms to the chassis which may be wearing more quickly due to the stiffer-than-OEM suspension. Suspension clunks are always tricky since there are so many potential factors. In my opinion it is always best to try to eliminate as many variables as possible before replacing the shock/strut. Let me know what you find out and of course if you have any other questions! Cheers, John
Torqued everything front and rear, its quite enough at decent speed i dont hear it but slow speed its noticeable, not very loud though, it sounds like the bag folding and un folding, tried multiple different pressures and its still there, now the front left is making a similar noise, maybe 1000miles on the entire setup
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