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Old 04-24-2012, 10:07 AM   #1
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Facility: Dynotech Tuning
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Type of Dyno: Mustang AWD-500
Baseline # for a stocker at the dyno: 215-225/240-250
Boost: ~28 Psi tapering to 26
Fuel: 93 octane
Gear: 4th
Target AFR: 11.2:1
SAE Corrections: .960
Peak HP at RPM: 398 (382) @ 5720
Peak Torque at RPM: 431 (414) @ 4600

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Apologies for the lame graph with no boost plot, I will update this when I get back on the dyno.





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Old 04-24-2012, 10:43 AM   #2
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That is crazy power!. It's like E85 power on 93. Is it generally safe to run 28 psi on pump?
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Old 04-24-2012, 10:47 AM   #3
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I'm starting to think you've got a faulty boost collection device; you consistently run a TON of pressure on 93.

Great power though!
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Old 04-24-2012, 11:00 AM   #4
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I come from a different school of tuning. Boost makes torque. I do my AVCS and timing different from most that Ive seen.

The cars I post in here are also very well setup. I tune many that make less power that are deficient in one way or another mechanically. Any deficiency will kill power.

I mostly post these for the sake of the owners to get them some exposure for doing there cars correctly. They are the ones that committed the time and money.

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Old 04-24-2012, 11:18 AM   #5
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Looks great! I'm glad I'm not the only one running the 20G XTR with the much boost
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Old 04-24-2012, 11:50 AM   #6
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What were egt's like on this?
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Old 04-24-2012, 12:09 PM   #7
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This particular car does not have an EGT gauge yet, but generally with similar setups I see mid 1500s on the dyno and upwards have about 1600 on sustained highway pulls. I believe this to be safe.
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Old 04-24-2012, 12:37 PM   #8
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Where are you measuing egt's? In the up pipe or a header primary? How far are you personally comfortable with pushing it? Assuming you don't mind sharing anyway. If you do mind no big deal

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Old 04-24-2012, 02:59 PM   #9
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does this car have the stock inlet and tgv still?
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Old 04-24-2012, 03:34 PM   #10
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3" Inlet means it's no longer stock.
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Old 04-24-2012, 03:44 PM   #11
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Perrin 3" Inlet and Wicked TGV Delete.

Normally we install In a primary. On the dyno I dont like to see more than 1600 or so. On the street im ok with anything up to 1700 on a sustained pull in high gear but really less is better.

Ill share pretty much anything, no secrets or mysteries lol.

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Old 04-24-2012, 04:15 PM   #12
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wow...nice power! I'm leaning towards this turbo
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Old 04-24-2012, 04:59 PM   #13
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This is the highest power 20G car Ive ever tuned. normally they make less than this.
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Old 04-24-2012, 06:44 PM   #14
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I come from a different school of tuning. Boost makes torque. I do my AVCS and timing different from most that Ive seen.



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Ill share pretty much anything, no secrets or mysteries lol.

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Care to share any info how you are different at tuning timing and avcs? This amount of power makes me curious as to what you do different.
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Old 04-24-2012, 07:58 PM   #15
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Ive got some PMs on this.

First I want to express again, that these cars are some of the best to come through here. They have healthy motors, done right, with proper AOS, fuel distribution, etc.

Most Subaru pump fuel tuners seem to get the fuel to 11:1, raise the boost up to some level they like, and then go nuts with the timing until it knocks and back it off.

I get the fuel sorted, adjust the AVCS for spool, resort the fuel. Then I increase the boost till I get the torque curve where I want it without knock, I try to get as much boost in it as possible. I then work on the timing and AVCS in tandem to keep the car out of knock and sort out how I can make the most power. You can use the cam timing to help you.

Since most people use some sort of preconceived avcs map, dont touch it, or use something off the internet they might not get the torque I get sometimes.

I did not start tuning with subarus, and I didnt really look into what other people did. I do it my way based on experimentation and good results.

I believe if I used some sort of E85, C16, or other limitless fuel that I wouldnt be able to do much better than anyone else in terms of maximum power.

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Old 04-24-2012, 09:11 PM   #16
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These number look more realistic for a 20g, well still pretty high don't get me wrong, but I've seen some other pretty high numbers lately on these Blouch 20g's. I bet this is 122-124 trap if not faster.
Keep up the great work!
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Old 04-24-2012, 09:17 PM   #17
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Please take a screenshot of the avcs tables! OHH GOD PLEASE! What do you want?! Money? My blood?! Take my blood!!! just show the AVCS tables.. PLEASE!
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Ive got some PMs on this.

First I want to express again, that these cars are some of the best to come through here. They have healthy motors, done right, with proper AOS, fuel distribution, etc.

Most Subaru pump fuel tuners seem to get the fuel to 11:1, raise the boost up to some level they like, and then go nuts with the timing until it knocks and back it off.

I get the fuel sorted, adjust the AVCS for spool, resort the fuel. Then I increase the boost till I get the torque curve where I want it without knock, I try to get as much boost in it as possible. I then work on the timing and AVCS in tandem to keep the car out of knock and sort out how I can make the most power. You can use the cam timing to help you.

Since most people use some sort of preconceived avcs map, dont touch it, or use something off the internet they might not get the torque I get sometimes.

I did not start tuning with subarus, and I didnt really look into what other people did. I do it my way based on experimentation and good results.

I believe if I used some sort of E85, C16, or other limitless fuel that I wouldnt be able to do much better than anyone else in terms of maximum power.

M@
Thanks for sharing this info. Glad you went to the effort of it. Alot better than some on nasioc but not all, some tuners will give out info, some not.

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Please take a screenshot of the avcs tables! OHH GOD PLEASE! What do you want?! Money? My blood?! Take my blood!!! just show the AVCS tables.. PLEASE!
I love this guys post but what are the odds that you will share it
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The AVCS tables for this specific car wouldnt help anyone. Especially not anyone with a '10 STi.

I have no problem giving my ideas out, or things I have learned. Just not specifics because they are not universally applicable.

Im willing to say that I dont subscribe the the 0 avcs by full spool rule. Thats enough to go on that anhyone that can do testing with their setup should be able to figure out. Its all about adjust and test, and trying different combos of avcs, timing, and boost.
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Im willing to say that I dont subscribe the the 0 avcs by full spool rule. Thats enough to go on that anhyone that can do testing with their setup should be able to figure out. Its all about adjust and test, and trying different combos of avcs, timing, and boost.

Who runs 0 advance at full spool

There's no magic in making this kind of power on 93 Octane... just run lots of boost like you are

Looks like a good aggressive tune to me. I wish we could push turbos this hard on our 91 and be comfortable with it.


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Who runs 0 advance at full spool

There's no magic in making this kind of power on 93 Octane... just run lots of boost like you are

Looks like a good aggressive tune to me. I wish we could push turbos this hard on our 91 and be comfortable with it.


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I agree 24 PSI is pushing it right now on 91, **** if I could run 28 psi on pump.

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I could see it on 93.... that stuff is almost race gas when you're used to our 91

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Ed, Ive heard all sorts of wacky theories out here. And yes 93e10 is much better than the fuel elsewhere in the country. We are also at 0 elevation.

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Old 04-25-2012, 09:22 PM   #24
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The AVCS tables for this specific car wouldnt help anyone. Especially not anyone with a '10 STi.

I have no problem giving my ideas out, or things I have learned. Just not specifics because they are not universally applicable.

Im willing to say that I dont subscribe the the 0 avcs by full spool rule. Thats enough to go on that anhyone that can do testing with their setup should be able to figure out. Its all about adjust and test, and trying different combos of avcs, timing, and boost.
If your not running 0 advance by full spool then what kind of numbers do you run?

I have no awd dyno within 2000km so I have to tune by seat of my pants and it isnt easy to tune something as subtle as cam timing this way. Ive tried the Airflow/VE method and I just cant get consistent readings.

I am more or less looking for tables to compare to what I have come up with on my own. The car pulls very very strong but I just always think there is more to be unlocked via the avcs. Give me some insight please. Id love to see avcs tables that were dialed in using a real dyno.
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What do you think of the 10cm housing? Do you think it made a big difference on hp over the 8cm?
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