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Old 04-25-2012, 08:42 AM   #1
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Though driverless cars are making plenty of inroads, it may be awhile yet before people are willing to hand over the keys and let their cars take over entirely. But a few autonomous functions may make the transition smoother. Cadillac is testing lane-detection and automatic braking technology for use on highways, according to General Motors.
This feature, called “Super Cruise,” could be available within a couple years. Model year 2013 Cadillac ATS and XTS sedans already have a new package called Driver Assist, which uses an array of sensors to detect forward and rear obstacles and potentially avert crashes. The cars have lane departure warnings, a head-up display, blind zone alerts, automatic braking capability and more, Cadillac says.


Much of this technology forms the basis for Super Cruise, which basically gives the car more responsibility. Moving from simple lane-drift warnings to self-adjusting lane centering tech is the next step, Cadillac says. Future models will have cameras to detect lane markings — which must be pretty bright and distinctive to work — and GPS data to detect and prepare for road curves and obstacles. It may not work when it’s raining or when lane markers are unclear, however.

Combined with the self-centering lane tech and automatic braking, highway commutes could be entirely car-operated. The technology would “lighten the driver’s workload,” as GM put it in a news release. Personally, I don’t consider driving to be a lot of work — I kind of enjoy it — but maybe the typical luxury-car-buyer would find it a plebeian chore.

As we’ve seen before, Cadillac is not the first luxury carmaker to adopt this technology — Mercedes is using cameras, radar and other sensors on some of its vehicles. GM says the highway-driving cars could be available by mid-decade.

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Old 04-25-2012, 09:48 AM   #2
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NOOOOOOOooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

Make it stop. Make the dumbing down of drivers stop.

or should I say.

Yeah, not it will be much easier for me to text and drive. Or I can read a book. Then when the system does not keep me from having a wreck, I will sue Cadillac.
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Old 04-25-2012, 10:42 AM   #3
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NOOOOOOOooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

Make it stop. Make the dumbing down of drivers stop.

or should I say.

Yeah, not it will be much easier for me to text and drive. Or I can read a book. Then when the system does not keep me from having a wreck, I will sue Cadillac.
^My reaction as well......
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"Dumbing down drivers"? They do that themselves. People are doing that stuff now without any back-up. If this makes some douche bag less likely to sideswipe me while he updates his facebook status, I'm all for it. Hell, I saw one guy reading the newspaper while driving. Someone find a way to keep his POS escort in his lane, please!

For the record, I've never used the CC on my current car and can count on my hands the times I've ever used it...
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"Dumbing down drivers"? They do that themselves. People are doing that stuff now without any back-up. If this makes some douche bag less likely to sideswipe me while he updates his facebook status, I'm all for it. Hell, I saw one guy reading the newspaper while driving. Someone find a way to keep his POS escort in his lane, please!

For the record, I've never used the CC on my current car and can count on my hands the times I've ever used it...
I'll say this one last ****ing time.... YOU CANT FIX STUPID. STOP TRYING. Just make drivers licenses harder to get if that's what you want, otherwise there's a reason we have insurance.

I'll also ask you directly since you started this discussion:
At what point will I stop having to be grouped in with stupid people and paying for their babysitting technology? Or should everything be 100% computer controlled so there's no need for human input (error potential)? And then: Why not just get rid of the automobile industry and use strictly public transportation in our society then?
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For the record, I've never used the CC on my current car and can count on my hands the times I've ever used it...
I hate people like you.
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Old 04-25-2012, 12:37 PM   #7
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Get this system working correctly and it will revolutionize long highway trips. Not to mention what it can do for the trucking industry.

9:00pm: Set GPS.
9:10PM: Enter freeway and set super cruise.
9:11pm: Sleep.
1:00am: Car informs me that it needs gas and displays the nearest gas stations.
1:15am: Refuel
5:00am: Repeat 1am-1:15am.
7:00am: Your exit is in XX miles. *ALARM*

You're not tired when you arrive and/or you didn't waste a day driving. You essentially have an extra day to enjoy wherever you're visiting.
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Old 04-25-2012, 01:34 PM   #8
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Get this system working correctly and it will revolutionize long highway trips. Not to mention what it can do for the trucking industry.

9:00pm: Set GPS.
9:10PM: Enter freeway and set super cruise.
9:11pm: Sleep.
1:00am: Car informs me that it needs gas and displays the nearest gas stations.
1:15am: Refuel
5:00am: Repeat 1am-1:15am.
7:00am: Your exit is in XX miles. *ALARM*

You're not tired when you arrive and/or you didn't waste a day driving. You essentially have an extra day to enjoy wherever you're visiting.
I'm with this guy. I say make vehicles completely automated, but the issue remains with insurance - the manufacturer would have to take the blame for accidents instead of people.

But let's be honest - if it were a computerized system there would be FAR less accidents than currently and far less dangerous driving. Anything that's been replaced by highly computerized/mechanized systems can do the same job that people can, but faster, more efficient, and with less harm to innocent people. In fact, computerized drive systems would probably *reduce* the amount of insurance you pay because accident rates would plummet.

So what's the issue? Well, some people seem to think either A) it'll make drivers stupider, or B) I want to enjoy driving!

A)
Of course it does - *all* technology makes us less able to comprehend the basic functions of previous technology. None of us can fix our own cars, iPhones, or any other computerized device, and therefore we're all "stupider" to an extent. But we can also do *more* than we every could without these devices and technology....

... Which leads to B)
If you could sleep an extra hour during your commute, wouldn't it give you more time in the morning and at night to join your local autoX and race a non-computerized car on a regular basis? Or enjoy your destination a little longer without feeling tired the moment you arrive? Make longer trips to see family/friends more often?
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I live by a highway (2 blocks away) and there are bars near highway entrance ramps in my area. . . Cadillac SCM > DUI . . . hmmmmm








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I'll say this one last ****ing time.... YOU CANT FIX STUPID. STOP TRYING. Just make drivers licenses harder to get if that's what you want, otherwise there's a reason we have insurance.
Actually, it seems like they're working on fixing stupid. Not sure why insurance has anything to do with this discussion; it doesn't keep me from being killed or maimed, or keep my property from being destroyed.

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I'll also ask you directly since you started this discussion:
At what point will I stop having to be grouped in with stupid people and paying for their babysitting technology?
You are only grouped in if you buy a cadillac. And again, even if you never use it (see my comment about cc), you benefit by potentially not being run off the road by a soccer mom. What does it matter anyway? Cars are filled with tons of features that took engineers and designers hundreds of man hours to put there that you probably never use. Add this to your list.

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Or should everything be 100% computer controlled so there's no need for human input (error potential)? And then: Why not just get rid of the automobile industry and use strictly public transportation in our society then?
This right here is a prime example of black and white thinking. There are other options besides all or nothing. Reminder - this isn't a government mandate...

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I'll say this one last ****ing time.... YOU CANT FIX STUPID. STOP TRYING. Just make drivers licenses harder to get if that's what you want, otherwise there's a reason we have insurance
Yes please (to the bold). And I mean a lot harder. Graduated licensing that is much more stringent with the tests. Even re-testing every 5 years (we all pick up bad habits).
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Nobody is going to do that. Bad drivers are the majority of the voting population and, this being a democratic republic.. well, it just isn't going to happen. This is Political Science 101 stuff.
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ITT: I can maintain speed just fine and move over if someone is behind me. Anyway, you love me. Don't deny it...
I didn't say I hated you, just people like you .

I've yet to meet someone who was nearly as consistent with speed control as they thought they were. You could be the exception. I get frustrated on the freeway because I tend to use cruise control to keep my lead foot relaxed and my MPG high, and most people have this annoying tendency to pace everything they see, and slow down on the uphills and speed up on the down hills (or vice versa, that's pretty common too). Pick a speed, go a speed, I often find myself wishing . Makes traffic flow a lot smoother.
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Nobody is going to do that. Bad drivers are the majority of the voting population and, this being a democratic republic.. well, it just isn't going to happen. This is Political Science 101 stuff.
I would say average drivers are the average and bad drivers are less than half as are good drivers

Anyway I love seeing people get irate about this sort of stuff. If it worked it would be awesome "Oh no a deer" smash....
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Hmmm, interesting. I like the whole thing. Sure, don't take a nap, but sight seeing would be much more entertaining.

Set cruise control. Manual drive at highway interchanges/exits, and when someone is really slow in your lane and you want to pass.

However, make it manditory to have sensors on the 8 through 3 o'clock portions of the wheel (left to top to right) to monitor hand attachment. No skin, no drive 'automatically'.

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People dumb themselves down when necessity doesn't mandate that they aren't dumb.

Enabling lazyness and inattention while behind the wheel, is going to GET just what it asks for.

Technology is great for solving problems that people ask to be solved. Technology for technology's sake solves non-problems, and enables disregard for necessity.

Like disregarding the necessity to be competent behind the wheel in order to participate in traffic.
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I would say average drivers are the average and bad drivers are less than half as are good drivers

Anyway I love seeing people get irate about this sort of stuff. If it worked it would be awesome "Oh no a deer" smash....
If you want to grade drivers on a bell curve.. sure. If you want to actually grade them on driving ability, they're mostly bad.

Bell curves only work in public education and IQ tests, though.
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Technology is great for solving problems that people ask to be solved. Technology for technology's sake solves non-problems, and enables disregard for necessity.
Technology serves more than just needs, and has for centuries.
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I didn't say needs, nor did I infer it.

I said it solves problems that people ask to be solved, either needs or wants. Technology makes a great servant when asked.

It is not supposed to be a master, nor a full surrogate for things that people should be required to pay attention to, like driving safely, or parenting, or other things that actually require people to necessarily engage their brains to do to try to ensure proper results.

If you want an automated car, ride a train, or a bus, or a taxi... and pay someone else to pay attention to the task of driving safely. Don't get behind the wheel, and then have the car drive itself, when it can't actually think, it can only execute a program.
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If I could load my car on a train and ride where I was going for the price of gas you bet I would do that. Unfortunately that doesn't work.
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See italics. Technology is almost always for technology's sake. I can name infinite numbers of technological advances that we didn't ask for (or need), but now that we have them seem to be indispensable.

And who says we never asked for something to help keep distracted drivers in their lane? And we don't need to wax philosophical about it - you don't pedal your own tires, you don't monitor the fuel injection into the engine, you don't open your own garage door, and you certainly don't start the fire in your oven to warm it up. Heck, you don't even write the words yourself and post them in the mail to publish to this forum. Instead, you rely on a computers and circuitry to indicate whether the car is moving, how much fuel to put into a cylinder to ensure that the engine doesn't blow up, a garage door that automatically stops if something drives under it, and an oven that ensures that the heat doesn't exceed a certain temperature.

We're already slaves in many other aspects of technology - it's just a boundary that we're loathe to let go of because tradition says so. To somehow lump this in as something different than these other examples is to deny that we're not already far, far beyond.
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good point manticus. But at what point does technology do more harm than good. Technology is pure, and is in itself harmless. How it is implemented is often the issue. (See atomic energy). What we cannot foresee, is the unfortunate side effects of technology down the road. While lane departure, auto brake, and cruise control systems are nifty, no doubt, the side effects can be negative. I would say the invention of the automatic transmission while very convenient, has made drivers more dangerous. As it frees up much involvement of driving the car.

I love technology, but I always have to ask myself, is this tech really better, or is it just to create sales, and at what cost to those sales have socially.

I would say that technological 'advancements' like facebook have done more harm than good. Eating up countless hours of time that could be spent learning and reading or working. You could even say this Forum which serves as entertainment and information could be lumped into the same thing, although I would hate to admit it.

But that is a rant against social networking and an entirely new thread.
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Most tech is made available, but not forced down people's throats.

And I am not saying that Caddy is doing that at all. Yet.

But policy makers have this tendency to take what is possible, and mandates it, and NHTSA and IIHS are probably salivating over ever-more automation.

But at what point does the tech become responsible for it's actions, and exempt the people from liability?

At what point does tech get expected to THINK and solve problems on the fly, and react creatively? It can't.

Insurance gets into it by socializing risk, collecting money from everyone, mandated by the government in some cases, and less attentive people just write the check for the premiums, and if they get into a wreck, they write another manageable check for the deductible, and make arrangements for a temporary car, and go on with their business.

Making accidents easy may seem like a good idea... but it diminishes consequences. People don't take traffic lights seriously, don't take road and traffic safety seriously, and become careless behind the wheel, because tech allows them to, and insurance protects them from some of the consequences, unless the accident is VERY bad.

I am for car safety, and don't want people to be hurt, but injuries and fatalities are more insulated than ever before. That means more accidents that do happen, are mechanical, and the people are insulated from personal injury. That likewise reduces FEAR.

People who don't have a healthy fear of consequence for what *could happen* due to poor driving, are not motivated to be better drivers.

Mitigating the tasks of attentive and competent driving diminishes the occurrence of attentiveness behind the wheel. It is human nature to be efficient, and not do things that aren't expected, in favor of doing other things, even if it is a stupid move. People put on makeup, read newspapers, text, eat meals, and other things behind the wheel, in a mis-guided sense of time efficiency, because they think they can handle it, until they can't when it is too late.

Mitigating the consequences of an accident as a result of less competent driving doesn't act as a deterrent, or even as much as it should influence people after a car accident to amend their driving habits.

People pay the deductible, and hand it off to insurance... and move on, and go back to similar behavior. Hopefully at least some learn their lesson, even if it has to be the hard way. I'd rather people were expected to be competent drivers before having to learn that hard lesson, if possible.

Tech is great, but there can be consequences.
Safety is great, but there can be consequences.
Insurance is good to have, but there can be consequences.

The consequence is the potential for complacency.

The cost is having to be motivated to be a better driver, despite less motivating input to maintain that motivation.

Some people don't do that, and become complacent drivers, and become dangerous to others, because they are enabled to be complacent.

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You people whining about technology have a point. A small point. The reality of steadily decreasing traffic fatalities in the face of increasing vehicle miles* shows that those concerns of complacency, if valid, are outweighed by the increased safety offered.

* Yes, miles went down a tiny bit during the last recession. Doesn't change the long term trend a whit.
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^^^

We know an Audi S7 will top 150 mph on unlimited stretches of Germany’s autobahn.
We also know how handy it is to have a mobile hotspot wherever you are.
How about combining the two?
Okay, this is for passengers only, but going through the phone menu of the 2013 Audi S7 I’ve just tied into its mobile network. At the moment we’re traveling over 130 mph on the autobahn and I’m tapping away on my Mac. I can check e-mail and even look on the internet to see how fast Shaun Bailey’s 2013 Dodge Dart First Drive is climbing the ranks in Google.
Picking up speed, I’m now sending this blog at just shy of 140 mph.
Have a nice day…I am.







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